Suns @ Trail Blazers Tuesday game thread 12-19-2023

[TJ]

And of course half our guys were yucking it up with the Blazers. LOL

 

[Yuma]

D-Backs are now the top dog in the Valley

1. Dbacks
2. Coyotes
3. Suns
4. Cards

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Promote kevin young with fizdale as top assistant. This team going no where under vogel

 

[Mainstreet]

Some final stats.

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[Phrazbit]

Maybe we can find out about both over time?

Well, I think we are currently witnesses to the results of the "executive".

Maybe watching him totally fail as a coach too will convince Ishbia that Thomas can come over to dinner but he can't plan the menu.

That said, I think Thomas is too controversial to become coach, or even get a real title, we're going to be stuck with this 'quasi-GM entirely probable conspiracy theory' for a while, unless Thomas goes and harasses some more women.

Best hope for a quick fix right now might be the return of Mike D'Antoni... at least we'd have an offense and a coach with some fire. Team seems perfect for him, imbalanced, no depth, no youth. It's his dream roster.

 

[TJ]

Promote kevin young with fizdale as top assistant. This team going no where under vogel

Vogel: Porter::Young:Gentry

 

[TJ]

Maybe losing to Ayton is embarrassing enough for the Suns to get their act together???

LOL wishful thinking

 

[BirdGangThing]

What's worse is I know a lot of pothead hippies in Potland and they call themselves the Blazers - and im definitely going to hear about this as Ive laughed at them for months

MONTHS

I don't know what going on with this team

Tired of defending them

Doesn't matter who's injured when nobody can hit a freaking 3

We lock in and it's great - then we just lose it again - whatever it is - we have it - but we lose it like the grandma who still knows who you are but

I'm not touching Vogel - he's been fired in here since the Lakers - I'm not going to try and kevin costner him out of here like I did Monty - Whitney is on her own

Seriously tired of sticking up for this team because there's no lack of talent - we are just in some type of suck vortex

 

[Yuma]

If we were firing Monty, we should have kept Willie Green as our coach!

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

This offense makes absolutely no sense. We should be dropping 120 with ease on most nights and yet we are barely getting over 100 against poor defenses. Is that a Vogel issue, because it's not a personnel issue IMO?

 

[Phrazbit]

Some voodoo witch probably put a curse on us for beating the Pelicans in '22.

All the chemistry went out the window, all our roster moves suck ass.

We need to sacrifice a live chicken.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Suns have to try something. They already aired it out last season at the trade deadline.

This team is like a ship without a rudder... it's a lot like playground basketball.

 

[Phrazbit]

This offense makes absolutely no sense. We should be dropping 120 with ease on most nights and yet we are barely getting over 100 against poor defenses. Is that a Vogel issue, because it's not a personnel issue IMO?

We play reeeeeeeeally slow.

Sadly, a lot of that is on Booker and Durant. They both dribble and dribble and dribble... until they either get a shot they like (and probably a difficult one at that) or they pass to someone outside... or someone on the wrong team.

It is very rare that we get a shot up early in the clock. Even when we do have guys get to the rim, they often pick their dribble up and look to pass, it is maddening.

 

[WakeForestCard]

Some voodoo witch probably put a curse on us for beating the Pelicans in '22.

All the chemistry went out the window, all our roster moves suck ass.

We need to sacrifice a live chicken.

Quick. Someone call Ketel Marte!

 

[NashDishesDimes]

We play reeeeeeeeally slow.

Sadly, a lot of that is on Booker and Durant. They both dribble and dribble and dribble... until they either get a shot they like (and probably a difficult one at that) or they pass to someone outside... or someone on the wrong team.

It is very rare that we get a shot up early in the clock. Even when we do have guys get to the rim, they often pick their dribble up and look to pass, it is maddening.

Correct. What tells me its coaching however is when they come out of timeouts, its the same BS. Vogel doesnt draw up any sets or motion, its laughable

 

[Mainstreet]

This offense makes absolutely no sense. We should be dropping 120 with ease on most nights and yet we are barely getting over 100 against poor defenses. Is that a Vogel issue, because it's not a personnel issue IMO?

It's either a coaching issue or playground basketball with Booker and Durant making up plays.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Quick. Someone call Ketel Marte!

Or sorano from the indians!!! He can hit the long ball lol good at voodoo

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

We play reeeeeeeeally slow.

Sadly, a lot of that is on Booker and Durant. They both dribble and dribble and dribble... until they either get a shot they like (and probably a difficult one at that) or they pass to someone outside... or someone on the wrong team.

I know, but is it an issue because of our personnel or is it poor coaching? Obviously no CP, but we tended to play slow with him as well.

 

[Mainstreet]

I know, but is it an issue because of our personnel or is it poor coaching? Obviously no CP, but we tended to play slow with him as well.

At least with Chris Paul they were running plays.

 

[elindholm]

Well, I think we are currently witnesses to the results of the "executive".

Maybe watching him totally fail as a coach too will convince Ishbia that Thomas can come over to dinner but he can't plan the menu.

That said, I think Thomas is too controversial to become coach, or even get a real title, we're going to be stuck with this 'quasi-GM entirely probable conspiracy theory' for a while, unless Thomas goes and harasses some more women.

Best hope for a quick fix right now might be the return of Mike D'Antoni... at least we'd have an offense and a coach with some fire. Team seems perfect for him, imbalanced, no depth, no youth. It's his dream roster.

As always, I want Jeff Van Gundy.

 

[GatorAZ]

I overrated this roster but they’re still far too talented to look this bad. I said it last week that they play like a team that’s never practiced on either side of the ball. Worse yet is it’s only a matter of time before KD and Nurk suffer their annual injury and Book is no iron man either. Right now they’re probably a play-in team at best.

 

[Superbone]

Time for that players only meeting yet?

 

[Covert Rain]

At least with Chris Paul they were running plays.

Last year’s offense became so predictable because Monty never adjusted. Never in a million years did I imagine the offense would be worse, less imaginative and slower.

 

[hcsilla]

Not sure if he was worse as an executive or worse as a coach... probably executive, but it is a tough call.

No, it is not.

He was one of the worst executives ever, while just being simply a clueless coach.

 

[Phrazbit]

No, it is not.

He was one of the worst executives ever, while just being simply a clueless coach.

You're not wrong. Creating the worst roster in the NBA while also being the most expensive is something that is mind boggling, I don't know if anyone else, in any sport, has accomplished that feat, but he was also a reeeeeeeeally bad coach.

On paper, he doesn't look that terrible because of his record with the Pacers, but when you compare how the Pacers played before he got hired (title contender), during his tenure and (fringe playoff team) then their huge resurgence after he got canned, it is rather clear that he was a terrible coach who dragged down a really really good roster.