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Suns Unsuccessfully Shopping Childress
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joshstmarie
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His shots may be ugly but he is a decent shooter even while he was with the Hawks.
Playing with the injured finger didn't help him at all. I really like Childress mostly because he is a smart and hustle guy like Jared and i have little doubt he will be a very good 6th man at the very least
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Well, he certainly can't shoot this year, and 35% is certainly nothing to hang your hat on. I like Childress, but even if he contributes at a much higher level, he's still vastly overpaid. Any other former Babby clients we can overpay?
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From 3-point range? That's definitely a good number. I suspect though that we're not talking about very many attempts.
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It's decent, but again probably a limited sample size as you surmise. Again, we're talking about numbers from long ago. Who knows what he was doing in Europe. Nothing I've seen this year indicates that he'll even be a credible 3 point threat, let alone a mid range jumper threat. He's certainly an effective slasher, I just hope his finger injury is the reason he hasn't been able to hit the broad side of a barn in his limited minutes.
joshstmarie
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Who cares about the "sample size" (60 attempts per year on average). Hes shown that in his NBA career hes been able to hit 35% of his 3pt shots over multiple years. I dont see how anyone can justify judging childress with the type of leash hes been on since getting to phoenix.
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35% makes on 60 attempts is only 21 makes in 82 games. 21. In 82 games. And you have no idea how or when those makes are made.
I like the percentage as much as you do, but 21 makes per season does not a good shooter make. After all, he's 0-9 with the Suns.
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joshstmarie
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I love how you are an advocate for the sample size being to small yet here you are pointing out hes 0-9 so far this year.
Errntknght
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This year Josh is shooting a nice round 0% on about 10 total 3pt attempts. In 07-08, his last year in the nba, he shot .367 on about 60 attempts. Career .348 on around 200 total shots.
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Chaplin
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I love how you are an advocate for the sample size being to small yet here you are pointing out hes 0-9 so far this year.
I thought I was the resident homer on the board. Thanks for taking the title from me.
Again, I (like you) like that he hit's 35% of his career 3-pointers. It's a nice number. But it's not as great as you think it is simply because he hasn't taken that many shots.
Yeah, he's 0-9, and if he really was shooting 35% on 3-pointers, that should be 3-9, right? With all this information, I'm not sure how you can infer that he's a good shooter.
joshstmarie
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Come on dude. I know you hate my guts from the ESPN days but I was just poking some fun. Either way, I think Josh hasnt gotten a fair shake and theres really no argument against that..................................................................................is there?
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Huh? I barely remember you from the ESPN days. I certainly don't hate you. I completely agree that he hasn't gotten a fair shake on the Suns--part of that is the rotation and personnel, and part of that is his shooting (maybe because of the finger, but I can see why we can't afford to get him going when we're trying to chase down a playoff spot).
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lol, this is getting weird...
I understand that Chill hasn't gotten enough playing time to make a full evaluation of what he can do. That's why I don't see how anybody can say anything really negative or positive like he is a good shooter. Makes no sense.
I think the jury is out on his game period until he gets a chance. At any rate, I just don't see him getting on the court when the playoff race is so tight. The Suns can't afford to give him a try. Dude is going to have to prove himself in the offseason if the Suns can't offload him.
I think the jury is out on his game period until he gets a chance. At any rate, I just don't see him getting on the court when the playoff race is so tight. The Suns can't afford to give him a try. Dude is going to have to prove himself in the offseason if the Suns can't offload him.
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It isn't just that Childress is 0-9, or 0-10, or whatever it is during his time with the Suns. It's that the shots look so bad that it's hard to imagine one of them going in. I didn't see his shooting stroke when he made 35% back during his time with the Hawks, but there's no way it could have been this bad. Childress's shooting mechanic makes Shawn Marion look like Jerry West.
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It might have looked a bit worse earlier this season as he probably had to do something different to protect his finger but it was always pretty horrific looking. He just isn't a shooter. He's fairly accurate but with those mechanics there's very little margin for error and this becomes a greater problem from distance. Still, he has been very effective even with a bad looking shot. His value is his effort and smarts plus his Ced-like ability around the hoop.
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Considering he barely plays and when he does, he rarely takes more than one or two shots a game, I'd say he's probably a little rusty, especially with the adjustments he made with the finger.
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It sounds like some fans are giving Childress the finger while he sits on the bench patiently waiting to be healthy and in playing shape next season.
Childress is just another high-cost project for an owner that wants to tinker/rebuild rather than committing to any kind of vision for rebuilding.
Honest, Sarver isn't afraid of losing because it would cost him money. If he REALLY stripped down this roster he could unload all the veterans now and probably cash out to the tune of about $10 mil a year. Sarver honestly thinks this is how you go about rebuilding in the NBA -- by getting by each year with a bunch of veteran parts -- until you find chemistry and the thing is built.
Meanwhile, you get guys like Childress who, if he'd been playing for, say, the Clippers, would probably be having a nice year. He'd have a role, it would be well-defined, and he'd show up every day and give you the same acceptable numbers every night. On this team, no one beyond Nash and Hill have a clue what's expected of them night-in and night-out. Minutes are inconsistent and not everyone's bought in.
Sarver is doing this the way Colangelo USED to manage the Suns -- too carefully, too deliberately, no real grand plan for next year or beyond. Players like Childress are the silly result of that kind of wishy washy management. I expect to see many more players like him on the Suns in the coming decade.
Honest, Sarver isn't afraid of losing because it would cost him money. If he REALLY stripped down this roster he could unload all the veterans now and probably cash out to the tune of about $10 mil a year. Sarver honestly thinks this is how you go about rebuilding in the NBA -- by getting by each year with a bunch of veteran parts -- until you find chemistry and the thing is built.
Meanwhile, you get guys like Childress who, if he'd been playing for, say, the Clippers, would probably be having a nice year. He'd have a role, it would be well-defined, and he'd show up every day and give you the same acceptable numbers every night. On this team, no one beyond Nash and Hill have a clue what's expected of them night-in and night-out. Minutes are inconsistent and not everyone's bought in.
Sarver is doing this the way Colangelo USED to manage the Suns -- too carefully, too deliberately, no real grand plan for next year or beyond. Players like Childress are the silly result of that kind of wishy washy management. I expect to see many more players like him on the Suns in the coming decade.
Errntknght
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Sarver is probably used to running business that he understands quite thoroughly so when he meddles in them he doesn't ****** up the works. The poor guy started out with JC and Kerr being his main advisors - JC had an interest in BC staying on as the GM and Kerr undoubtedly coveted the position himself, so he likely got little worthwhile advice on the subject of GMs from either of them. Little wonder he's done nothing right yet in what should be his main function - installing a GM that knows the game inside and out, including how a basketball FO should operate. Shedding BC wasn't a bad move but he should have done his homework and had someone ready to step in and take over the reins.
Kerr didn't covet the position at all. He talked himself into it by constantly questioning BC to Sarver -- enough that Sarver was happy to see BC leave and then turn to Kerr and tell him he has to take the job.
