Suns versus Knicks, Jan. 2 Thread!

[Mike Olbinski]

Yup. I was going to post it here.

What did we do that pisses off him so bad?

I didn't watch the game but can somebody kindly tell me if we foul every single time Knicks drive in?

Sure, we fouled them, but some of the calls were phantom, ticky-tack BS calls...and we got none of them.

Mike

 

[CaptainInsano]

Is it true, according to NBA TV Robby Robinson called 34 fouls on the Suns and 4 on the Knicks?

Time for someone to get FIRED.

 

[jibikao]

Sure, we fouled them, but some of the calls were phantom, ticky-tack BS calls...and we got none of them.

Mike

I remember last game against Wizards when the ref called a foul on Diaw with a few seconds left when we tried to secure our own defensive rebound. The replay showed that Diaw wasn't even involved...it was Bell who jumped forward to grab the rebound. Luckily we didn't let the refs to fcuked up that game!

 

[reader]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5216198

Knicks 140, Suns 133, 3 OT

Associated Press
Posted: 5 minutes ago
NEW YORK (AP) - Desperate for a win, the New York Knicks would have played all night. But after a long road trip, that was too much to ask of the Phoenix Suns.
Stephon Marbury scored 32 points, including seven in the third overtime, and added 10 assists against his former team as the Knicks outlasted the Suns 140-133 Monday night to snap a three-game losing streak.Eddy Curry and rookie David Lee each converted three-point plays in the third overtime for the Knicks, who needed to play a triple-overtime game for the first time in 13 years to avoid taking sole possession of the NBA's worst record.
"I wanted some of these guys to get that kind of experience. Those guys got us to that position and I kept asking them if any of them wanted to come out," Knicks coach Larry Brown said. "Jamal (Crawford) was really struggling physically and none of them wanted to come out.
"I'm just proud of them because that's a quality team and we managed to survive, and then we figured out a way to win."
Crawford added 29 points, Curry had 20 points and a season-high 15 rebounds, and Lee finished with season highs of 23 points and 15 boards in 52 minutes in the best game of his career.
"I have been waiting for this opportunity to get in there and the coach has been happy with me lately and told me to just go out there and play as hard I can," said Lee, inactive for seven straight games earlier in the season but moved into the starting lineup recently.
"I just brought the same attitude I've been bringing, and instead of bringing that attitude for five or 10 minutes I had a chance to bring it for some more time tonight."
It was too much time for the Suns, who were forced to play overtime for the second straight game and were trying to complete their first 5-0 road trip since April 6-13, 1998.
Shawn Marion scored a career-high 39 points and Steve Nash added 28 points and a career-best 22 assists for the Suns, who wilted in the third overtime after four players had fouled out. The Knicks shot 54 free throws to the Suns' 16.
"It seemed like the more and more we kept going to overtime, the more it drained us," Marion said after playing 60 minutes.
The Knicks, who entered the game tied with Atlanta at 7-21 for the worst record in the league, never trailed after Curry opened the third overtime with his three-point play. Marion scored on the other end, but Lee's three-point play made it 133-129 with 4:16 remaining.
After another basket by Marion, Marbury scored seven straight points as the Knicks pushed the lead to 140-131. New York was playing its first triple-overtime game since Feb. 14, 1993, a 102-100 loss at Orlando.
"It is very satisfying," Marbury said. "It shows what we have as a team. Whenever you can go on the court and play three overtimes with no one giving up, it shows what we can do on the court."
The Suns had a four-point lead with 2 minutes left in the first overtime after Eddie House and Nash made consecutive 3-pointers. But Nate Robinson scored four straight to tie it, and after Pat Burke gave Phoenix the lead again with a pair of free throws, Crawford scored in the lane for a 118-all tie. He missed a jumper with 0.9 seconds left to send the game to the second overtime.
The Suns trailed by as much as 13 points in the second half before Marion and Nash led a rally in the fourth quarter. After Boris Diaw's jumper brought Phoenix within 98-93, the All-Stars combined to score the Suns' final 11 points of regulation.
Crawford made two free throws to give the Knicks their final lead at 102-100, then Marion made two from the line to tie the game for the first time. Marion converted an alley-oop from Nash to give Phoenix its first lead since the opening 2 minutes of the game before Curry made two free throws with 8.4 seconds to go after being fouled while going for an offensive rebound.
Nash missed a jumper at the buzzer to send the Suns to overtime for the second straight game. They won at Chicago on Saturday night.
"We had the game won and then all of a sudden they shot two free throws," Nash said. "When you foul out your whole team and you have the rest of the guys running on fumes after a nine-day road trip, for us just to hang around at that point is outstanding."
Former Knicks center Kurt Thomas, greeted by a nice ovation before the game, scored eight points before fouling out with 8.4 seconds to go in regulation.
Notes: Knicks forward Antonio Davis left with 3:57 remaining in the third quarter with a lower back spasm and did not return. He was hurt while trying to grab an offensive rebound. ... Before the game, the Knicks announced that Jerome James was indefinitely suspended for conduct detrimental to the team, saying the center was unprepared to practice Sunday. Also, reserve Penny Hardaway was given permission to leave to the team so he could work out independently in Houston. ... Phoenix swingman Jim Jackson, a former Ohio State star, spent the pregame watching the Buckeyes' game against Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl on a locker room TV.

 

[jibikao]

Jim Jackson, a former Ohio State star, spent the pregame watching the Buckeyes' game against Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl on a locker room TV.

Is that a good thing?

 

[jibikao]

Ok, I have it figured out.

Last time when Knicks visited us, Larry Brown was complaining how Knicks had so many turnovers and they couldn't get a foul on Suns.

Now this time the refs returned the favor back to Knicks.

I hope we don't complain to the press about the officiating. It seems like the more you complain the worse you will be treated (eg: Rocket in the playoffs). It's an ugly game and let's just forget about it. It's not like Knicks is going anywhere... oh wait, LOTTERY.

 

[reader]

I think this is Nash saying they were robbed.

"We had the game won and then all of a sudden they shot two free throws," Nash said. "When you foul out your whole team and you have the rest of the guys running on fumes after a nine-day road trip, for us just to hang around at that point is outstanding."

 

[thirty-two]

I wanted the Suns to pull this one out SO BAD, considering the crap they were being dealt by the refs.

Ugh, they almost did it!!! Regardless, it was one hell of a frustrating, yet exciting game. I love overtimes!

 

[TRW]

That being said, Pat Burke needs to hit that.

Boxing out and getting a rebound would have helped too

Pat Burke is horrible.

 

[jibikao]

I think this is Nash saying they were robbed.

"We had the game won and then all of a sudden they shot two free throws," Nash said. "When you foul out your whole team and you have the rest of the guys running on fumes after a nine-day road trip, for us just to hang around at that point is outstanding."

I have a question. The 2 free throws Nash talked about is when Kurt went for the loss ball and fouled Curry?? And Curry made both? Is that how they tied the game?

If that's the case, then that's TWICE in a row we got fcuked by the refs. First is against Wizards when we sealed the game and got our defensive rebound and then they called a WTF call on Diaw for no ******* reason with a few seconds left. Luckily the Wizards didn't hit any 3pt.

 

[seesred]

JImmy Jackson

I'm not a big poster here, but I'm a big Suns fan and watch all the games my wife will let me. I watched the whole triple OT last night and I have a question from you more knowledgable fans. Why is Paul Burke taking the last shot of OT number two? Why is Jimmy sitting on the bench rested and waiting while everyone else is dragging? Lastly, can anyone tell me why the NBA lets refs get away with that kind of foul calling as they did last night.50 foul shots for the Knicks. I don't know if the Suns deserved more calls thier way, but, I'm sure I know all the fouls they gave us were far from legit. THese people should be suspended at the very least.

Our kids on this team are playing much better than I ever thought the would and love to watch them. Can't wait for the big guy gets back. I'm afraid that when Barbasa gets back he will disrupt what they have now, Stot will add big time in the middle.

GO Suns
GBR
40

 

[jibikao]

I'm not a big poster here, but I'm a big Suns fan and watch all the games my wife will let me. I watched the whole triple OT last night and I have a question from you more knowledgable fans. Why is Paul Burke taking the last shot of OT number two? Why is Jimmy sitting on the bench rested and waiting while everyone else is dragging? Lastly, can anyone tell me why the NBA lets refs get away with that kind of foul calling as they did last night.50 foul shots for the Knicks. I don't know if the Suns deserved more calls thier way, but, I'm sure I know all the fouls they gave us were far from legit. THese people should be suspended at the very least.

Our kids on this team are playing much better than I ever thought the would and love to watch them. Can't wait for the big guy gets back. I'm afraid that when Barbasa gets back he will disrupt what they have now, Stot will add big time in the middle.

GO Suns
GBR
40

My guess is Knicks is killing us inside and since Diaw/Kurt were fouled out and Marion had 5 fouls already, we need a big man to help out and he fouled out. I watched some clips of last night's game and I really think they were too tough on Burke especially when David Lee drove in? He scored and the ref should have let it go. Burke stood outside the circle and he just put his hands up. Refs should just let it go when Lee scored.

Jim Jackson has been... BAD. I don't know how to describe him. He is too inconsistent.

I do agree that Burke shouldn't take the last shot. Well, he was open... but I would rather have Nash/Marion/House take the last shot.

 

[scotsman13]

the reason that jim jackson was on the bench is that he has almost been totally worthless this season. last night i was shocked that he hit 2 shots in a roll.

 

[Chaz]

I hate to complain about refs but there were more phantom calls than I have ever seen last night.


The killer call was the loose ball foul on Thomas with 8 sec left in regulation. The Suns had the game won and the refs kept the Knicks in it with a phantom loose ball foul.


I think one of my favorites was when Lee appeared to go over the back of Jones and they called the foul on Jones. I guess inside position doesn't mean what it used to.



Gutsy game by the Suns. To overcome what they had to overcome in that game and still have a chance to win in regulation and take it to 3ot, amazing.

This team has no quit in them.

 

[myrondizzo]

Jim Jackson has been... BAD. I don't know how to describe him. He is too inconsistent.

actually he's been very consistent this year but he's just consistently bad.

 

[Ballamania]

"Boxing out and getting a rebound would have helped too

Pat Burke is horrible."

Man i cant tell you how many times i wanted to just slap burke for that. he constantly was abused in the rebounding and boxing out department. he was acting like he was 6'1 160lbs. if he would have gotten 2 of those boards we would have won. i was alright with him until that crap he displayed. and missing the open shot was bad too because he can make that shot.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

From Stein's chat

Aaron (Phoenix): Just got done watching the Suns-Knicks game tonight. 54 FT to 16. 4 Suns fouling out, with 2 more with 5 fouls. I have no problem with the rankings this week, but next week I'd like to see the refs added to your power rankings, and placed one spot above Phoenix.

Marc Stein: Hard for me to argue. From the fourth quarter on, it seemed as though every 50-50 call went the Knicks' way. The game was undeniably entertaining, but it's hard to believe that the Knicks needed three OTs to finally win the thing.

 

[jibikao]

From Stein's chat

Well, at least somebody is seeing this!!! Good job.

 

[elindholm]

I agree the officiating didn't seem all that level, but I don't think it's fair just to look at the free-throw discrepancy. The Knicks lead the league in FTA per game and the Suns are dead last, so you would expect quite a large difference even under normal circumstances. Throw in the usual home-court advantage, and I don't think the numbers warrant a huge surprise.

 

[az1965]

From Stein's chat

 

[jibikao]

I agree the officiating didn't seem all that level, but I don't think it's fair just to look at the free-throw discrepancy. The Knicks lead the league in FTA per game and the Suns are dead last, so you would expect quite a large difference even under normal circumstances. Throw in the usual home-court advantage, and I don't think the numbers warrant a huge surprise.

54 > 16 ..... this is not your "normal" discrepancy. This is outrageously fcuked up. lol

We don't need to take 54 FT to win games. 16 FT attempt is probably average for us but 54 for Knicks is just so wrong.

 

[haverford]

I agree the officiating didn't seem all that level, but I don't think it's fair just to look at the free-throw discrepancy. The Knicks lead the league in FTA per game and the Suns are dead last, so you would expect quite a large difference even under normal circumstances. Throw in the usual home-court advantage, and I don't think the numbers warrant a huge surprise.

Yes, not technically surprising, but perhaps indicative of the kind of reputation-driven foul calling that gives officiating a bad name. We weren't committing so many infractions and they weren't playing as clean as the numbers suggest.

 

[DeAnna]

On that Knick's board (that someone posted) they're all whining about how many travelling calls Nash got away with and that the Suns "are a fouling team."

 

[elindholm]

Yes, not technically surprising, but perhaps indicative of the kind of reputation-driven foul calling that gives officiating a bad name. We weren't committing so many infractions and they weren't playing as clean as the numbers suggest.

Good point, but almost every game features abundant cases of reputation-driven foul calling, so I guess I've sort of gotten used to it, in a sad way.

 

[nowagimp]

The suns were whistled for alot of marginal fouls at critical times. Touch fouls on a power player in the post are not called in 99% of all situations and yet the whistling was almost nonstop. These calls were game deciding in that several suns players fouled out before the game was decided. Players dive into the defender after a pumpfake or back down the defender off the dribble causing alot of physical contact, but the defender can be called for touchfouls?

There is a refereeing problem in the NBA and it appears to be so bad that legitimate questions CAN be raised in MANY games, not just suns games. This game was a sham in this way, and so was the Lakers/Heat game on XMAS(its not just the suns). Wade couldnt get a call on a drive and yet touch fouls on miami defenders of Kobe were numerous. The same was true of the pistons/spurs matchup on xmas, it was just an awful spectacle. All I wanted to see was good basketball on xmas, but even though the teams were good, the refs were not. The NBA has flirted with inconsistent enforcement of traveling, carrying, holding for years and its just getting worse. The NBA is about 2 or three notches from the NBAWWF and its a shame. Its hard to not suspect corruption. I'm really sick of hearing that "the officiating is consistent within a game", its frequently not consistent at all!