Superbowl MVP

[Russ Smith]

Q gets the extra yards that welker doesn't, because welker is doing his diving into the safety of the turf. welker can't be descibed as tough, as he does catch over the middle and promptly dives to avoid contact. What is funny is he did this all year, early on in the season I pointed it out to my friend(pats fan), and it started driving him crazy. Now it was a big joke among our friends, and during the Super Bowl, the whole party was calling it out. I think he is a very talented receiver, but as far as mvp please, he is the third option as moss and stalllworth took the attention of the DB's, as he caught his five yard passes.

So how did Welker lead the entire NFL in YAC?

At least that's what they said during the SuperBowl.

 

[Southpaw]

So how did Welker lead the entire NFL in YAC?

At least that's what they said during the SuperBowl.

Illusion , I guess. The Hatoraid is never in short supply. Maybe they should switch to " Envyan ". Somehow a team that won 18 straight, and lost a SB 17-14, on a miracle catch suddenly sucks. Amazing , TFA.

In order to lose the SB, you have to get there 1st and as far as I can tell 30 teams were left sucking hind **** and Patriots weren't one of them.

 

[CardShark]

Illusion , I guess. The Hatoraid is never in short supply. Maybe they should switch to " Envyan ". Somehow a team that won 18 straight, and lost a SB 14-10, on a miracle catch suddenly sucks. Amazing , TFA.

In order to lose the SB, you have to get there 1st and as far as I can tell 30 teams were left sucking hind **** and Patriots weren't one of them.

Wasn't it 17-14?

 

[Southpaw]

Wasn't it 17-14?

Correct. Closer than I thought. Just making sure you were paying attention.

 

[cardsloco]

So how did Welker lead the entire NFL in YAC?

At least that's what they said during the SuperBowl.

He is very fast. Never said he didn't get a lot of yards before people got close. His dives took place as people came to deliver the tackle.

 

[Gambit]

He is very fast. Never said he didn't get a lot of yards before people got close. His dives took place as people came to deliver the tackle.

but he dove forward for more yardage

 

[cardsloco]

Illusion , I guess. The Hatoraid is never in short supply. Maybe they should switch to " Envyan ". Somehow a team that won 18 straight, and lost a SB 17-14, on a miracle catch suddenly sucks. Amazing , TFA.

In order to lose the SB, you have to get there 1st and as far as I can tell 30 teams were left sucking hind **** and Patriots weren't one of them.

Let's watch the man next year, if he has to play the two, and face DB's instead of LB's. No hatoraid here, just no man love for a player who is scared of contact. The pats were a great team this year, in fact second best team in the league. I respect what they did, but there was better teams years past. The 85 bears, the 76 Steelers, the cowboys led by Aikman, and the Montana led niners comes to mind. In fact I would say they had the second best offense ever, only behind the 1999 rams and the greatest show on turf. To say that the giants won on a miracle catch is demeaning, the giants out toughed the pats and forced there will on them. I think that if anything your hatoraid for the giants is far more apparent, as you give them no credit.

 

[cardsloco]

but he dove forward for more yardage

That is true, maybe instead you stay upright, ala steve smith(also short in nature) and bounce for a touchdown.

 

[Southpaw]

Franco Harris, HOF RB Pitt Steelers, made a career out of running out of bounds. O J Anderson, Card RB, made a career out of running out of bounds. They both admitted it and did it to prolong careers. Welker doesn't play on the boundary.

 

[cardsloco]

Franco Harris, HOF RB Pitt Steelers, made a career out of running out of bounds. O J Anderson, Card RB, made a career out of running out of bounds. They both admitted it and did it to prolong careers. Welker doesn't play on the boundary.

A RB who takes 30 shots a game( backs carried 30 times or more in those days) will get a pass on two to three sideline excursions. They also did it at the end of there careers, not the beginning. A receiver who on a great day gets 10 catches, and not take shots from d-line, does not get the same pass. Truth is you hardly knew this guy until he went to the pats and used the over overabundance of talent to his advantage. If he was to leave the team tomorrow he would probably end up like the other pats receivers who left before him, disappointing free agent pick up.

 

[Russ Smith]

He is very fast. Never said he didn't get a lot of yards before people got close. His dives took place as people came to deliver the tackle.

You said Q gets the extra yardage Welker doesn't, yet somehow he led the NFL in YAC which is just about the definition of extra yardage. So what you're saying is that Welker is so much better than anybody else that even while constantly diving down and conceding extra yardage, he still got more extra yardage than any other player in the NFL?

Pretty remarkable isn't it?

 

[Russ Smith]

A RB who takes 30 shots a game( backs carried 30 times or more in those days) will get a pass on two to three sideline excursions. They also did it at the end of there careers, not the beginning. A receiver who on a great day gets 10 catches, and not take shots from d-line, does not get the same pass. Truth is you hardly knew this guy until he went to the pats and used the over overabundance of talent to his advantage. If he was to leave the team tomorrow he would probably end up like the other pats receivers who left before him, disappointing free agent pick up.

Actually given where Wally lives I'm betting he knew all about Welker when he was in Miami.

Yes he benefits from being with the Pats, and yes he does go down at times to avoid contact. He also has played in 48 straight games, also played special teams a lot of that time. Boldin who's an incredible player in his own right has missed 7 games in the last 3 years due to injury. So maybe Welker has a good thing going?

Welker runs his routes almost exclusively over the middle where a guy like Randy Moss won't go, he knows he's going to get drilled and yet he still catches the ball and gets the first down. He was going against a CB the entire Super Bowl they kept showing us the matchup it wasn't a LB it was a CB, hell they were doubling him inside at times.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Franco Harris, HOF RB Pitt Steelers, made a career out of running out of bounds. O J Anderson, Card RB, made a career out of running out of bounds. They both admitted it and did it to prolong careers. Welker doesn't play on the boundary.

The Vikes' Pro Bowl RB (Smith? Jones?) during the Denny Green era did it all the time, as well.

There's a lot of haterade being thrown around by cardsloco. It's okay for there to be a handful of WRs in the NFL better than Anquan Boldin.

For what it's worth, I think they should hand the MVP award back to the media. Since they first put it up to vote, you've seen a lot of bad decisions--like how Simeon Rice deserved the MVP instead of Dexter Jackson. I think that Dominic Rhodes was a beast in bad weather last season and deserved the MVP.

They have people vote for MVP on their cell phones, and half the time people only know the guy who's been in the media all week. Justin Tuck deserved the MVP in that game, but I can see why people who only watch one football game a season texted in for Eli.

 

[cardsloco]

The Vikes' Pro Bowl RB (Smith? Jones?) during the Denny Green era did it all the time, as well.

There's a lot of haterade being thrown around by cardsloco. It's okay for there to be a handful of WRs in the NFL better than Anquan Boldin.

For what it's worth, I think they should hand the MVP award back to the media. Since they first put it up to vote, you've seen a lot of bad decisions--like how Simeon Rice deserved the MVP instead of Dexter Jackson. I think that Dominic Rhodes was a beast in bad weather last season and deserved the MVP.

They have people vote for MVP on their cell phones, and half the time people only know the guy who's been in the media all week. Justin Tuck deserved the MVP in that game, but I can see why people who only watch one football game a season texted in for Eli.

Im throwing a lot of hatoraide? I have put posts praising numerous teams and players, and because I don't respect welkers turf diving, you accuse me of hating?. I think there are more then a few receivers better then Boldin, welker is not one of them. If you are putting a number 3 receiver who runs 90 percent underneath routes, above the great receivers in this league, you have little football knowledge. He may prove to be a great receiver, so far he has played very good in what was one of the best offenses ever. Read all my posts in the thread before you call me out for hating.

 

[cardsloco]

Actually given where Wally lives I'm betting he knew all about Welker when he was in Miami.

Yes he benefits from being with the Pats, and yes he does go down at times to avoid contact. He also has played in 48 straight games, also played special teams a lot of that time. Boldin who's an incredible player in his own right has missed 7 games in the last 3 years due to injury. So maybe Welker has a good thing going?

Welker runs his routes almost exclusively over the middle where a guy like Randy Moss won't go, he knows he's going to get drilled and yet he still catches the ball and gets the first down. He was going against a CB the entire Super Bowl they kept showing us the matchup it wasn't a LB it was a CB, hell they were doubling him inside at times.

It is because of moss that the dump offs to welker occcur. The giants knew welker getting the ball would not beat them. They didn't allow moss or stallworth to beat them deep, as that would cost them the game. Again I think he is very good receiver, creates a lot of problems for teams, but I don't respect receivers who dive.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Loco, Welker had a better 2007 than Boldin. It's okay if you just say it. Welker has Moss opening his underneath routes, Boldin had Fitzgerald opening up the middle for him.

Anquan caught 71 passes for 853 total yards, 12 YPC. 372 of his receiving yards were after the catch, that averages out to 5.24 extra yards per catch that he's battling for. Which means that each of his receptions is within 6 yards of the line of scrimmage.

Welker had 112 receptions for 1175 yards, or 10.5 YPC. He had 640 yards after the catch, or 5.71 extra yards per catch. So, who's the guy who's the master of fighting for extra yards, again?

Both guys excel at getting the ball and then running after the catch. One guy also excels at stay healthy for the entire season.

 

[cardsloco]

Loco, Welker had a better 2007 than Boldin. It's okay if you just say it. Welker has Moss opening his underneath routes, Boldin had Fitzgerald opening up the middle for him.

Anquan caught 71 passes for 853 total yards, 12 YPC. 372 of his receiving yards were after the catch, that averages out to 5.24 extra yards per catch that he's battling for. Which means that each of his receptions is within 6 yards of the line of scrimmage.

Welker had 112 receptions for 1175 yards, or 10.5 YPC. He had 640 yards after the catch, or 5.71 extra yards per catch. So, who's the guy who's the master of fighting for extra yards, again?

Both guys excel at getting the ball and then running after the catch. One guy also excels at stay healthy for the entire season.

First of all welker did have a better year then Q, never denied that. Let me repharse it for you, Q has more yards after contact. welker is very fast and on those crossing routes he outruns people(leads to high number of YAC), the minute someone gets close he dives. You are going to stay healthy if you never get hit, that is why Smith gets hurt( another small, fast guy). If welker stayed on his feet on some of those plays, maybe he has even bigger numbers, but we won't find out, as that is not his game. And finally you are trying to compare a recevier who has done great things multiple years, with lesser offensive help, to someone who played in one of the greatest offenses ever, with abundent help,for one year. The true measure of great players is they play great every where they are, was welker great before the pats?

 

[Russ Smith]

First of all welker did have a better year then Q, never denied that. Let me repharse it for you, Q has more yards after contact. welker is very fast and on those crossing routes he outruns people(leads to high number of YAC), the minute someone gets close he dives. You are going to stay healthy if you never get hit, that is why Smith gets hurt( another small, fast guy). If welker stayed on his feet on some of those plays, maybe he has even bigger numbers, but we won't find out, as that is not his game. And finally you are trying to compare a recevier who has done great things multiple years, with lesser offensive help, to someone who played in one of the greatest offenses ever, with abundent help,for one year. The true measure of great players is they play great every where they are, was welker great before the pats?

Well we can make the counter, Welker played in the worst passing offense in the NFL just about with Miami and still caught enough balls to impress the Pats enough to acquire him. I do agree that Moss and co make his job easier but that's the whole thing with the Pats offense, it works because you can't take everything away. The only team that did was teh Giants because of their outstanding pass rush.

I'm certainly not someone who loves to see players take dives, see my comments about Reggie Bush so far in the NFL always taking runs outside so he can run out of bounds or slide down. But in Welker's job description as a guy over the middle or on 3rd downs, I think more often than not he's doing the right thing, get the first down.

I love Boldin but how many times in his career has he fumbled and then you think man I wish he'd just go down there? Great player just goes about it differently. I wouldn't trade him for Welker I just was pointing out Welker had a damn good year.

 

[cardsloco]

Well we can make the counter, Welker played in the worst passing offense in the NFL just about with Miami and still caught enough balls to impress the Pats enough to acquire him. I do agree that Moss and co make his job easier but that's the whole thing with the Pats offense, it works because you can't take everything away. The only team that did was teh Giants because of their outstanding pass rush.

I'm certainly not someone who loves to see players take dives, see my comments about Reggie Bush so far in the NFL always taking runs outside so he can run out of bounds or slide down. But in Welker's job description as a guy over the middle or on 3rd downs, I think more often than not he's doing the right thing, get the first down.

I love Boldin but how many times in his career has he fumbled and then you think man I wish he'd just go down there? Great player just goes about it differently. I wouldn't trade him for Welker I just was pointing out Welker had a damn good year.

He with out a doubt had a damn good year, that I will agree on.

P.S I looked it up and, Boldin has only 9 fumbles in 5 years, less then 2 a year, out of those only 6 lost. For all the times he has made tacklers look bad, it is worth it.