Supreme Court rules states can legalize sports betting

[Southpaw]

Supreme Court rules states can legalize sports betting, finds federal ban unconstitutional;

Imagine going to a betting booth at the arena, stadium, et al.

https://www.cbssports.com/general/n...s-betting-finds-federal-ban-unconstitutional/

New Jersey led the way and won.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

There is already a thread on this issue in P&R.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...ows-sports-betting-across-the-country.265055/

As long as this one doesn't stray too far, I will allow it here.

 

[Southpaw]

There is already a thread on this issue in P&R.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/fo...ows-sports-betting-across-the-country.265055/

As long as this one doesn't stray too far, I will allow it here.

So is this political or religious? Arguments already? Jeez.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

So is this political or religious? Arguments already? Jeez.

Supreme Court seems to be more P&R than NFL.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

So is this political or religious? Arguments already? Jeez.

It will be a political issue in Arizona because of the state gaming compact with the tribes and because of religious objections to gambling.

 

[NJCardFan]

Delaware already has it although it's not straight up Vegas style betting. Delaware has a system of parlays and football pool style games.

 

[CardsFan88]

It's playing with fire.

It's right and wrong. Right decision, but it's going to have bad consequences.

It's one thing to have it in Vegas, but potentially every state? Good luck finding people trying to rig stuff.

It'll expand the number of people capable of doing this sort of thing. Any Tom, Dick, or Harry will now potentially have a means to easily rig stuff if they can find a ref, player or coach receptive to them. They don't have to go to Vegas or know someone, they can just potentially head to the stadium itself and place the bet.

Whatever sports leagues embrace this are setting themselves up to kill the golden goose. This really could destroy one of the leagues in the long run. People don't want to pay top dollar and companies might not want to pay top dollar to advertise in a league which they ended up being a part of some rig job.

Of course this can also be bad for players, coaches, refs as now they'll have big targets on their backs. It may take a few years, maybe even a decade or two, but there will be something big out of this eventually, and it easily could cost any league billions, if not tens of billions. Which of course then lowers players salaries/strikes/lockouts.

Hell put this on top of all the other factors dragging down leagues/networks right now and it could also be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

 

[Southpaw]

It's playing with fire.

It's right and wrong. Right decision, but it's going to have bad consequences.

It's one thing to have it in Vegas, but potentially every state? Good luck finding people trying to rig stuff.

It'll expand the number of people capable of doing this sort of thing. Any Tom, Dick, or Harry will now potentially have a means to easily rig stuff if they can find a ref, player or coach receptive to them. They don't have to go to Vegas or know someone, they can just potentially head to the stadium itself and place the bet.

Whatever sports leagues embrace this are setting themselves up to kill the golden goose. This really could destroy one of the leagues in the long run. People don't want to pay top dollar and companies might not want to pay top dollar to advertise in a league which they ended up being a part of some rig job.

Of course this can also be bad for players, coaches, refs as now they'll have big targets on their backs. It may take a few years, maybe even a decade or two, but there will be something big out of this eventually, and it easily could cost any league billions, if not tens of billions. Which of course then lowers players salaries/strikes/lockouts.

Hell put this on top of all the other factors dragging down leagues/networks right now and it could also be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Ummm... it might put bookies out of business. This might be the savior of the leagues future. Leagues have been requiring injury reports and active lists forever. This is for the bettors and books.

 

[splitsecond]

It's playing with fire.

It's right and wrong. Right decision, but it's going to have bad consequences.

It's one thing to have it in Vegas, but potentially every state? Good luck finding people trying to rig stuff.

It'll expand the number of people capable of doing this sort of thing. Any Tom, Dick, or Harry will now potentially have a means to easily rig stuff if they can find a ref, player or coach receptive to them. They don't have to go to Vegas or know someone, they can just potentially head to the stadium itself and place the bet.

Whatever sports leagues embrace this are setting themselves up to kill the golden goose. This really could destroy one of the leagues in the long run. People don't want to pay top dollar and companies might not want to pay top dollar to advertise in a league which they ended up being a part of some rig job.

Of course this can also be bad for players, coaches, refs as now they'll have big targets on their backs. It may take a few years, maybe even a decade or two, but there will be something big out of this eventually, and it easily could cost any league billions, if not tens of billions. Which of course then lowers players salaries/strikes/lockouts.

Hell put this on top of all the other factors dragging down leagues/networks right now and it could also be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

It can still be outlawed, it just needs to be done on a state by state basis. Obviously the debate is no different than it has ever been, just the venue of the argument.

 

[CardsFan88]

Ummm... it might put bookies out of business. This might be the savior of the leagues future. Leagues have been requiring injury reports and active lists forever. This is for the bettors and books.

It might put those bookies out of business, but it creates a situation where anyone can rig a game now. You don't need access to anything other than a person involved with the games and a place to make the bets. Thus overall it would be a drastic increase in the number of die rolls.

Of course this will be state by state, but it makes it easier for anyone to compromise a game. A thousand times more access points to create a problem imo is a problem waiting to happen.

 

[GuernseyCard]

It might put those bookies out of business, but it creates a situation where anyone can rig a game now. You don't need access to anything other than a person involved with the games and a place to make the bets. Thus overall it would be a drastic increase in the number of die rolls.

Of course this will be state by state, but it makes it easier for anyone to compromise a game. A thousand times more access points to create a problem imo is a problem waiting to happen.

How do you rig a game with multi millionaire players?

 

[Azlen]

How do you rig a game with multi millionaire players?

Anyone with the means to rig a game is going to have the means to place the bet. That's true regardless of the ruling. The leagues will want to be paid an "integrity" fee from the states that legalize it but that's basically them just wanting their cut. The NFL allowing a team to go to Vegas shows that it isn't as big a concern to them as it used to be.

 

[Southpaw]

Ask your bookie if the games are "rigged". So are the concerns about point shaving/tanking/etc. That exists now and has in the past so is this a new concern? Just about every civilized country in the modern world has legalized game and match betting.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

I've never been able to follow that logic.

Fixing that has been caught has traditionally happened in illegal markets/books.

Someone who has the means to illegal fix a game to profit off the wager, isn't going to be thwarted by needing to use an illegal book.

It may be preferred as legal books are monitored for irregularities.

Even if they had to use a legal book, it's not hard to get to Vegas. Even easier to use a local network of bet runners and all you need is a phone.

It's like people think this is 1918 and not 2018

 

[jmt]

Long overdue. There's billions already bet today legally and illegally so lets enter the 21st century on this item.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Ask your bookie if the games are "rigged". So are the concerns about point shaving/tanking/etc. That exists now and has in the past so is this a new concern? Just about every civilized country in the modern world has legalized game and match betting.

This will make it even harder to rig the game. Follow the money.

 

[vince56]

How do you rig a game with multi millionaire players?

Ever been to Washington DC?

 

[NJCardFan]

Ask your bookie if the games are "rigged". So are the concerns about point shaving/tanking/etc. That exists now and has in the past so is this a new concern? Just about every civilized country in the modern world has legalized game and match betting.

I'm not sure about rigging the game per se but can't sports books manipulate lines so they come out ahead either way?

 

[POISON]

I hope Oklahoma legaliizes it, always fun to have a little action on a game. Plus, no need for a bookie anymore

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'm not sure about rigging the game per se but can't sports books manipulate lines so they come out ahead either way?

Not really. It is down to a science. There are so many ways to check lines in 2018. It is the backroom shady bookies that are more likely to adjust lines.

 

[Chopper0080]

It's playing with fire.

It's right and wrong. Right decision, but it's going to have bad consequences.

It's one thing to have it in Vegas, but potentially every state? Good luck finding people trying to rig stuff.

It'll expand the number of people capable of doing this sort of thing. Any Tom, Dick, or Harry will now potentially have a means to easily rig stuff if they can find a ref, player or coach receptive to them. They don't have to go to Vegas or know someone, they can just potentially head to the stadium itself and place the bet.

Whatever sports leagues embrace this are setting themselves up to kill the golden goose. This really could destroy one of the leagues in the long run. People don't want to pay top dollar and companies might not want to pay top dollar to advertise in a league which they ended up being a part of some rig job.

Of course this can also be bad for players, coaches, refs as now they'll have big targets on their backs. It may take a few years, maybe even a decade or two, but there will be something big out of this eventually, and it easily could cost any league billions, if not tens of billions. Which of course then lowers players salaries/strikes/lockouts.

Hell put this on top of all the other factors dragging down leagues/networks right now and it could also be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

At the highest level, people make too much money to have to worry about this. At the lower levels, the risk outweighs the payoff in most instances.

 

[NJCardFan]

At the highest level, people make too much money to have to worry about this. At the lower levels, the risk outweighs the payoff in most instances.

The players still can for their own benefit. A player or manager or coach can make a bet and bet for or against their own team then do something to try to influence the outcome. Maybe not point shaving per se but take a baseball player betting on his team to lose. He can steal when not given the sign or swing at a bad pitch or blow through a stop sign, boot a ball, whatever. Just saying it's not impossible but this is possible whether or not sports betting is legal or not.

 

[Chopper0080]

The players still can for their own benefit. A player or manager or coach can make a bet and bet for or against their own team then do something to try to influence the outcome. Maybe not point shaving per se but take a baseball player betting on his team to lose. He can steal when not given the sign or swing at a bad pitch or blow through a stop sign, boot a ball, whatever. Just saying it's not impossible but this is possible whether or not sports betting is legal or not.

Can you imagine the backlash if a player tried to cash in a ticket on an event he was playing in? Again, stupid people will do stupid things, but these guys would be risking MILLIONS to make THOUSANDS of dollars. It doesn't make sense.

 

[NJCardFan]

Can you imagine the backlash if a player tried to cash in a ticket on an event he was playing in? Again, stupid people will do stupid things, but these guys would be risking MILLIONS to make THOUSANDS of dollars. It doesn't make sense.

I'm not talking about a star although stars have been gambling for decades but only few have been caught. The reason why the penalty against Pete Rose was so harsh is because he completely controlled the game as a manger. He could have bet against the Reds then set his lineup in such a way to pretty much ensure a loss. There must have been evidence of this in order to want the lifetime ban. Had he simply had been betting on baseball he would have received a 1 year sanction but instead got the death penalty for a reason. And I'm still convinced that the reason Jordan stepped away for a season and a half was because of gambling and not wanting to lose the NBA's star attraction, Stern and Jordan reached a deal where he would take some time off as sort of a suspension.

 

[WisconsinCard]

It's playing with fire.

It's right and wrong. Right decision, but it's going to have bad consequences.

It's one thing to have it in Vegas, but potentially every state? Good luck finding people trying to rig stuff.

It'll expand the number of people capable of doing this sort of thing. Any Tom, Dick, or Harry will now potentially have a means to easily rig stuff if they can find a ref, player or coach receptive to them. They don't have to go to Vegas or know someone, they can just potentially head to the stadium itself and place the bet.

Whatever sports leagues embrace this are setting themselves up to kill the golden goose. This really could destroy one of the leagues in the long run. People don't want to pay top dollar and companies might not want to pay top dollar to advertise in a league which they ended up being a part of some rig job.

Of course this can also be bad for players, coaches, refs as now they'll have big targets on their backs. It may take a few years, maybe even a decade or two, but there will be something big out of this eventually, and it easily could cost any league billions, if not tens of billions. Which of course then lowers players salaries/strikes/lockouts.

Hell put this on top of all the other factors dragging down leagues/networks right now and it could also be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Just follow the game day threads on this site. Every week many are claiming the NFL is rigged. They claim the Refs just got a call from the League office to let the Jerry Jones win, to let Tom Brady do whatever he wants, or let the Steelers win. It's hilarious.