Survivor: Fiji

[coyoteshockeyfan]

I didn't say he should quit playing but I just don't think it was a smart thing for him to do at this point. If Dreamz went final four with Earl, Yau, and Cassandra (which seemed pretty likely unless Boo won a third straight challenge) even if he'd have to give up immunity he still would have had a split vote. Now, I don't see another player left in the game that the jury wouldn't vote for over Dreamz.

 

[Nasser22]

If he went to the Final 4 without trying to vote out Yau man then Yau would still have his immunity, as would Early. At least he gave himself a chance to possibly get in the Final 2. Doesn't that give you a smaller cash prize also?

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

The next tribal council is the last opportunity for the HII to be played.

 

[Nasser22]

Oh yeah, and they said it on the show today too, my bad. I just think of Yau Man as this really powerful player in the game since he has had immunity for so long.

 

[Russ Smith]

You can say that its all just playing the game and yadda yadda, but its the exact thing that will come back to bite you in Survivor. Bottom line is if somebody literally changes your life (and Dreamz knows it), your first thought shouldn't be "now how can I screw him?" and then lie to the guy. Things may have been looking grim for Dreamz with the final four by taking the deal, but there's exactly a zero percent chance of him getting the jury's vote now. Had his plan worked he might have gotten himself past one more round, but in the end it won't matter for him as by doing so he simply can't win.

It's hard to tell of course but it appeared to me that the more Dreamz thought it over, the more he realized that while it was an incredibly nice gesture, it was done out of strategy. So he then tried to figure it out and quickly realized the obvious play was at 4 I win immunity, give it to Yau, and he votes ME out?

And that's precisely what Yau planned, he said so.

I still think it was very cool, Yau is one of my top 2-3 Survivor players ever, he's extremely intelligent, and that was such a well played game last night. The truck, picking up on the back plan to vote him off etc.

 

[Russ Smith]

I didn't say he should quit playing but I just don't think it was a smart thing for him to do at this point. If Dreamz went final four with Earl, Yau, and Cassandra (which seemed pretty likely unless Boo won a third straight challenge) even if he'd have to give up immunity he still would have had a split vote. Now, I don't see another player left in the game that the jury wouldn't vote for over Dreamz.

It depends though, you can't read their minds. A lot of people won't like Earl on the jury because they will see Earl has been working with Yau to run things all along. Cassandra people will say she rode coattails etc.

Dreamz is certainly unpredictable as hell but he's probably not as "polarizing" as some of the other players. I think he could beat Boo for sure, and possibly Earl or Cassandra. The guy you don't want to be up against in a vote is probably Yau.

And what a great move putting himself on exile, gets the last clue, solves it, and gives it to Earl to find. So not only do they get the other idol, but he cements his bond with Earl.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Wow, I completely forgot that this Sunday is the season finale. Crazy.

 

[Nasser22]

I think we all learned something today. Never trust a black man with anything having to do with money. Backstabbed by 2 of 'em.

I'm just kidding of course. No racist here. That was really sad though. The guy played a great game and won nothing.

 

[Lefty]

I think we all learned something today. Never trust a black man with anything having to do with money. Backstabbed by 2 of 'em.

I'm just kidding of course. No racist here. That was really sad though. The guy played a great game and won nothing.

Dreamz has no chance of winning after going against his word. I think Cassandra will win now. Why would he not give him the immunity necklace? When he goes into the real world, he will be looked at as not an honorable person. No one will trust him because his word means nothing.

 

[Nasser22]

He still has a chance. Earl also stabbed Yau in the back and people who do nothing at all and luck into the Final 3 and just want to be friends don't usually get votes. I think it will be close. I think Dreamz did make a mistake, but after everyone said he was the dumbest guy out there he got himself all the way to the Final 3. I think that's pretty funny.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

I don't think even the remaining four horsemen will vote for Dreamz.

 

[Nasser22]

Well no, he totally ruined their alliance.

After the jury spoke I definitely see Earl winning this. They just trashed Cassandra and Dreamz. I loved that lawyer's questions/comments, and Lisi was stupid as always.

After starting off as the most boring one, this has turned out to be one of my favorite Survivor's ever.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Well, this has been one of the most entertaining juries in recent memory.

 

[Lefty]

I'm glad Earl won and Dreamz lost.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Lmao... Dreamz is a total mockery of a human and he got completely shut out.

 

[Nasser22]

You may hate him but I liked how Dreamz played the game and how he had an effect on almost everyone being voted out. I have no hate for liars on the show. Just nasty people like Richard who walk around naked and grind on you during challenges.

Question: How the heck do they spend over 2 hours every tribal council just talking about stuff? That's very boring. I feel bad for Mookie.

 

[Russ Smith]

I felt bad for Yau, if Dreamz had kept his deal, Yau wins the million bucks. But it IS a game and Dreamz is right in saying that, he was going home next, and he knew that. He had no chance of winning anyways it became very clear at the final that the jury had finally figured out Dreamz was selling them all out.

The 2 I really didn't get was Lisi, what a rambling stew of nothing? And Alex going off on Cassandra stabbing Stacy in the back, the same Alex that stabbed Mookie in the back to save himself another vote?

Most bitter jury ever, and I still think Rocky is a complete moron, I have no idea what he said. Michelle's question was beyond silly, what was the biggest hardship you faced, she was there too why would she ask that?

Earl played a hell of a game, and picked just the right time to turn on Yau and it was proven correct, he would have lost to Yau.

You pretty much knew Dreamz was going to renege when they got to him and Yau in the immunity and he didn't just let go. If he was going to give it up, he would have just turned to Yau, said "I gave you my word", and let go.

 

[Toro]

IMO, Dreamz has no chance of winning because he went against his word. I don't by "it's a game so it's okay that he went against his word".

 

[Russ Smith]

IMO, Dreamz has no chance of winning because he went against his word. I don't by "it's a game so it's okay that he went against his word".

I also didn't get why he kept insisting he didn't change his mind that he'd never intended to keep his word. If that's true, why is he agonizing over the decision to the extent that we can visibly see him crying?

I think he clearly changed his mind later and I'm not sure why he felt it was better to claim he never intended to keep his word, than to just admit he changed his mind?

Either way it was clear he had no shot of winning, he keeps his word he's gone, he reneges, he's getting no votes.

 

[outoftheashes]

I also didn't get why he kept insisting he didn't change his mind that he'd never intended to keep his word. If that's true, why is he agonizing over the decision to the extent that we can visibly see him crying?

I think he clearly changed his mind later and I'm not sure why he felt it was better to claim he never intended to keep his word, than to just admit he changed his mind?

Either way it was clear he had no shot of winning, he keeps his word he's gone, he reneges, he's getting no votes.

It would have been much better for him to admit that he changed his mind and use the "I had to weigh my loyalty to my family/friends against a deal I made with someone ive known for thirty days" angle. Maybe would have helped him with a couple more sympathy votes.

 

[Angel]

I also didn't get why he kept insisting he didn't change his mind that he'd never intended to keep his word. If that's true, why is he agonizing over the decision to the extent that we can visibly see him crying?

I think he clearly changed his mind later and I'm not sure why he felt it was better to claim he never intended to keep his word, than to just admit he changed his mind?

Either way it was clear he had no shot of winning, he keeps his word he's gone, he reneges, he's getting no votes.

It seemed to me that the jury wanted him to say that it was his plan all along so he did and stuck with that through the reunion show.

I think that a promise made during the game is a promise and breaking it is worse than a lie, I know it sounds stupid but it is the best way I can express it. That being said Dreamz did what he had to do to try and win, that is the way the game is played. He was just too shortsighted to understand that he couldn't win either way, and I don't believe there is a "sympathy" vote in Survivor--he had no chance keeping it or not; Give it and get voted off keep it an alienate the jury, no win.

I was glad Earl won because I swore that if they gave that million bucks to Cassandra after she did NOTHING during any of the challenges or any other time while waltzing around like the final players were all her decision, I would never watch Survivor again and I would miss it

I also retract my disbelief about Survivor China, after seeing the previews it does look like an awesome place to take the adventure. My apologies to the experts.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm also glad that none of the final 3 went "Yul" on us and tried to make it a racial thing about wanting to be a good role model for African Americans or wanting to make sure the final 3 were all African Americans. It came down to very simple things, they picked the final 3 they thought gave them the best chance of winning.

Who gets 2nd prize, neither Cassandra nor Dreamz got a vote, do they split the 100K, get 100K each etc?

 

[Joe Mama's Sista]

I'm also glad that none of the final 3 went "Yul" on us and tried to make it a racial thing about wanting to be a good role model for African Americans or wanting to make sure the final 3 were all African Americans. It came down to very simple things, they picked the final 3 they thought gave them the best chance of winning.

Who gets 2nd prize, neither Cassandra nor Dreamz got a vote, do they split the 100K, get 100K each etc?

That was my same question last night... anyone heard?

 

[Nasser22]

I think that's probably what they'll do since they tied. There's really no other way to fairly do it. I'd take 50K and a nice truck.

 

[nashman]

Dreamz is a freakin moron and was lucky to be there, and got what he deserved SHUT OUT in voting, first time in Survivor history thats awesome! The right guy won since Yau was gone!