SWD' S Opinion: Davis will be DC next year

[Seandonic]

This is what I forewarned against. I knew above average play these last two meaningless games would give Wiz the ammo he needed to keep his loyal soildier in Davis. I love Wiz but I hope he know what he is doing because his loyalty to Davis might cost him his job.

This might be the best year ever to be looking for a DC too. Check out some of these potential available names:

Manusky
Mike Nolan
Rob Ryan
Eric Mangini
Marvin Lewis
Mike Zimmer
Wade Phillips
Perry Fewell
John Fox
Jack Del Rio

You can take Jack Del Rio off this list.

 

[desertdawg]

Davis loses focus on bringing QB pressure in crucial parts of the game. I know we can bring it with the blitz, I've watched it, be he strays away from it with his soft cushion coverage. Once he does that, we get carved up while their QB (anyteam) starts to look all pro, sitting in the pocket, and dicing us up.

I am over Davis, can't go another season with our crappy QB play, and weak minded defensive schemes to boot. Davis sucks.
If the Cards roll the dice (which is what they would be doing) and keep Davis. Defense will suck again next year.

 

[conraddobler]

Bill Davis dosen't deserve the benefit of the doubt IMO, if I'm the owner with any sniff of a list like someone else posted, I go DC shopping this year, case closed.

Failure to do so is just cheap IMO.

I love at least 3 names on that list a ton, if Davis was an up and commer, I might stick with him, but I would not stand pat with less than potential genius on my staff given that list and that's not even close to what I'd rate Davis.

 

[az1965]

You may be able to say that about some of them, but hasn't the defense scored 9 or 10 times? That's more than just playing bad offenses.

That said, Davis is pretty terrible on the whole. But K9 is right, this isn't a year to be tinkering with the key coaching staff.

We also are 28 overall defense playing some of the worst teams (one of the easiest schedule). This defense probably would have been 32 had we played more playoff teams. It was a horrid defense and has been for a while masked by Kurt Warner's offense last couple of years.

 

[desertdawg]

Davis is a good DC when playing in the Redzone, he brings the pressure, and stops drives, but only in the Redzone. Not talking turnovers, I am talking stopping the drives with defense. Don't know what it is, we have one of the worst Defenses in the NFL, but our Redzone D ranks up in the top.

 

[Mitch]

Davis is a good DC when playing in the Redzone, he brings the pressure, and stops drives, but only in the Redzone. Not talking turnovers, I am talking stopping the drives with defense. Don't know what it is, we have one of the worst Defenses in the NFL, but our Redzone D ranks up in the top.

That is an excellent point, dawg!

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I swear if Bill AVIS is still employed by the team I am going to go OJ Simpson on the organization.

 

[O]

Someone's head from the coaching staff will roll at the end of the season.
Justified, I personally think it is, or not. It will be Davis' head.
We all know it's not going to be Grimm, which I also think is justified.

 

[desertdawg]

Someone's head from the coaching staff will roll at the end of the season.
Justified, I personally think it is, or not. It will be Davis' head.
We all know it's not going to be Grimm, which I also think is justified.

I wouldn't mind if Grimm was gone. Wasn't Grimm being considered for head coach in other places? If Grimm leaves and we dump Davis, the guys we hire will be more important than the draft, and we should hire them well before the draft. And please let them weigh in on who we pick.

 

[Stout]

Cards were 18th in scoring and 20th in yardage last year with good players. They had excellent performances against the NYG and the Minnesota Vikings. This defense is capable of being average if the talent is in place (and we were lacking a NT and pass rusher last season, as well).

This is not the case of trying the same things and expecting different results. People who complain about CBs playing too far off the LOS or whatever aren't watching enough of the rest of the NFL; lots of teams do the same thing. Bill Davis can't make Paris Lenon wrap up guys two yards from the LOS, and he can't force Adrian Wilson to look like he cares 70% of the time. That's a talent problem.

If there's a clear upgrade to a more experienced coordinator like Mike Nolan or Wade Phillips, then I would go after him. But change for the sake of change, especially when you're looking at a shortened preseason that will likely not include minicamps or possibly even training camp, is a recipe for failure.

we absolutely have had a dearth of quality defensive starters. Bill Davis tries to bring pressure when we don't have quality edge rushers, which would be commendable in a DC. The problem is that he is so stale and predictable that a 3rd grader could point to the TV screen and tell you where the blitz will happen. Offenses routinely pick them up with ease. He almost never overloads a side so that it is impossible to pick up the blitz, or disguises the blitz so that it fools the offensive line. He stinks and needs to go.

 

[ajcardfan]

I agree that he is likely to return.


I think Whisenhunt is going to be too loyal to a guy he hired. And, I think it's a year too early for Mike B. to insist on certain staff changes.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I agree that he is likely to return.


I think Whisenhunt is going to be too loyal to a guy he hired. And, I think it's a year too early for Mike B. to insist on certain staff changes.

You mentioned in another thread how you would never understand why I, as a fan of the team, would want the team to lose 72-0 to Dallas.

You get it now?

FYI I said that and wrote that post saying as much, but I enjoyed the win as much as anyone. But this was my bigger point. Like with an addict, in order to have real change, you must hit rock bottom.

Thats why I am hoping the 49ers embarass us next week, especially with them out of the playoff picture now.

We get beat by an atrocious 49er team and they light us up, that will be the impetus for Davis to be let go. But if we have another okay defensive performance you can count on another year of Davis.

Give me a revamped coaching staff and a Top 3 pick round to round over the fleeting joy of beating the 9ers in a meanignless game 10 times out of 10.

 

[conraddobler]

You mentioned in another thread how you would never understand why I, as a fan of the team, would want the team to lose 72-0 to Dallas.

You get it now?

FYI I said that and wrote that post saying as much, but I enjoyed the win as much as anyone. But this was my bigger point. Like with an addict, in order to have real change, you must hit rock bottom.

Thats why I am hoping the 49ers embarass us next week, especially with them out of the playoff picture now.

We get beat by an atrocious 49er team and they light us up, that will be the impetus for Davis to be let go. But if we have another okay defensive performance you can count on another year of Davis.


Give me a revamped coaching staff and a Top 3 pick round to round over the fleeting joy of beating the 9ers in a meanignless game 10 times out of 10.

I totally understand where you are comming from, it's a bizzaro world a fan goes into when you want a coach fired.

You have to root for the team but in doing so you only prolong the agony the coach is putting you through.

However I take heart from one thing, CP was tossed after the team got to the SB, hopefully a guy who can do that will see the light and toss Davis.

Maybe one day Davis gets it too?

I hope it all works out for the best, that's what I want.

 

[ajcardfan]

You mentioned in another thread how you would never understand why I, as a fan of the team, would want the team to lose 72-0 to Dallas.

You get it now?

Sorry, but i still don't get it. I'd rather see Davis get an extension than lose a game 72-0, ever. Much less Dallas.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Sorry, but i still don't get it. I'd rather see Davis get an extension than lose a game 72-0, ever. Much less Dallas.

Your looking at it with a short term view.

Your essentially saying "Im ok with possibly going 5-11 for three years and not losing 72-0."

I think others are saying "Im willing to lose 150-0 and be 10-6 or better the next three years."

See we cant understand your line of thought and you cant understand ours. Nothing on a message board will help that.

 

[ajcardfan]

Your looking at it with a short term view.

Your essentially saying "Im ok with possibly going 5-11 for three years and not losing 72-0."

I think others are saying "Im willing to lose 150-0 and be 10-6 or better the next three years."

See we cant understand your line of thought and you cant understand ours. Nothing on a message board will help that.

Of course, both statements are completely unprovable. Although I'm not at all okay with going 5-11 the next three years, that is a fact. In fact, I'm such a crazy optimist, i think we could even win with Davis as DC provided we get the right QB and some real pass rushers.

Maybe we can lose 150-0 or 72-0 this Sunday, and then we can see if your prediction of 10-6, or better, next three seasons comes true.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Of course, both statements are completely unprovable. Although I'm not at all okay with going 5-11 the next three years, that is a fact. In fact, I'm such a crazy optimist, i think we could even win with Davis as DC provided we get the right QB and some real pass rushers.

Maybe we can lose 150-0 or 72-0 this Sunday, and then we can see if your prediction of 10-6, or better, next three seasons comes true.

Well of course I should make an ammendment that those of use that wouldnt cry if we lost all the final games feel that changes need to be made in order to get back to 10-6. If we win out perhaps those changes are made thus feel the cards will have losing seasons. Im sure you can follow this line of thought. Others have a different line of thought. Its all good.

 

[ajcardfan]

Well of course I should make an ammendment that those of use that wouldnt cry if we lost all the final games feel that changes need to be made in order to get back to 10-6. If we win out perhaps those changes are made thus feel the cards will have losing seasons. Im sure you can follow this line of thought. Others have a different line of thought. Its all good.

Yeah, win lose or draw, changes have to be made. the results of these last couple of games should have no impact on that.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Yeah, win lose or draw, changes have to be made. the results of these last couple of games should have no impact on that.

But it could. Winning 3 of the last 4 COULD save some jobs. Whereas losing all 4 would ensure that heads roll. Now you see where some of us are coming from?

 

[Chopper0080]

A couple thoughts on our defensive coord. situation.

1- I don't think that the decision to fire Bill Davis will be up to Ken. Mike Bidwill has done a ton to bring this franchise to the level it was a couple years ago, and I don't think that he will sit bye and let Ken make this decision.

2-What our team needs most out of it's coordinators is credibility. Any coordinator that is brought in should have a legit scheme and history of success or our young players won't buy in.

3-As we seem married to the 3-4 here are some guys to keep an eye on: Wade Phillips, Greg Manusky, Mike Nolan, Rob Ryan, and Eric Mangini. Short list of 3-4 guys.

4-Don't be confused by our defensive scores and how it relates to Bill Davis. Our defensive touchdowns are more indicative to our athletic talent on defense than our solid scheme.

 

[THESMEL]

I agree

Lets step back to the end of 2006, Whiz and Grimm were hot coaches, We got both.

Whiz sold us on a Smart tough Diciplined football philosphy. We got an STD alright, several of them.

That is what happens when you sleep with strangers that sleep with stranger that sleep with strangers.

Clancy was fired but did the scheme change? looks like the same basic defense to me. Now Clancy took us from the bottom to the middle to the top 10 before Whisenhunt arrived in Arizona.

We are fundmentally bad football team top to bottom. We are last at everything but return touchdowns. now turnovers are a priority stat that makes the difference between winners and losers most of the time.

Our Cardinals are exploring that ledge, We are committing all we can to turn overs and sacrificing fundemental tackling, angles, gaps, yards and scores.

And it aint working out good for us, Our Offense can't compliment or even support these efforts with a first down, most of the time.

so the defense has monkeys flying out their AZ 40 minutes a game, safe to say that is not working well. Duh balance it up.

A couple thoughts on our defensive coord. situation.

1- I don't think that the decision to fire Bill Davis will be up to Ken. Mike Bidwill has done a ton to bring this franchise to the level it was a couple years ago, and I don't think that he will sit bye and let Ken make this decision.

2-What our team needs most out of it's coordinators is credibility. Any coordinator that is brought in should have a legit scheme and history of success or our young players won't buy in.

3-As we seem married to the 3-4 here are some guys to keep an eye on: Wade Phillips, Greg Manusky, Mike Nolan, Rob Ryan, and Eric Mangini. Short list of 3-4 guys.

4-Don't be confused by our defensive scores and how it relates to Bill Davis. Our defensive touchdowns are more indicative to our athletic talent on defense than our solid scheme.

 

[Mulli]

Lets step back to the end of 2006, Whiz and Grimm were hot coaches, We got both.

Whiz sold us on a Smart tough Diciplined football philosphy. We got an STD alright, several of them.

That is what happens when you sleep with strangers that sleep with stranger that sleep with strangers.

Clancy was fired but did the scheme change? looks like the same basic defense to me. Now Clancy took us from the bottom to the middle to the top 10 before Whisenhunt arrived in Arizona.

We are fundmentally bad football team top to bottom. We are last at everything but return touchdowns. now turnovers are a priority stat that makes the difference between winners and losers most of the time.

Our Cardinals are exploring that ledge, We are committing all we can to turn overs and sacrificing fundemental tackling, angles, gaps, yards and scores.

And it aint working out good for us, Our Offense can't compliment or even support these efforts with a first down, most of the time.

so the defense has monkeys flying out their AZ 40 minutes a game, safe to say that is not working well. Duh balance it up.

Hey, smel, when the Cardinals/Clancy have a top ten defense?

 

[JeffGollin]

Ask yourself this -

If we had NFL-caliber QBing for all 16 games, would we even be having this discussion? (i.e. would we be in the playoffs with the defense and DC we've already got)?

I'm guessing "Yes."

But that doesn't mean I'm thrilled with Davis and our defense.

- Too much inconsistency.

- Couldn't make mid-game adjustments to mismatches.

(There were other nit-picky stuff - like the fall-off in A-Dub's play - but those two were the biggies).

Question of the hour: Can we get away with keeping the status quo on defense and focus on tweaking stuff? Or do we need to change coaching or player personnel?

My gut tells me that - assuming we keep everyone on our current roster we need to keep - this offseason might be one that should be devoted to shoring up the offensive side of the ball and letting the defense take care of itself.

Specifically, we need big time help at QB, OL (especially LT) and TE.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Ask yourself this -

If we had NFL-caliber QBing for all 16 games, would we even be having this discussion? (i.e. would we be in the playoffs with the defense and DC we've already got)?

I'm guessing "Yes."

But that doesn't mean I'm thrilled with Davis and our defense.

- Too much inconsistency.

- Couldn't make mid-game adjustments to mismatches.

(There were other nit-picky stuff - like the fall-off in A-Dub's play - but those two were the biggies).

Question of the hour: Can we get away with keeping the status quo on defense and focus on tweaking stuff? Or do we need to change coaching or player personnel?My gut tells me that - assuming we keep everyone on our current roster we need to keep - this offseason might be one that should be devoted to shoring up the offensive side of the ball and letting the defense take care of itself.

Specifically, we need big time help at QB, OL (especially LT) and TE.

If the stategy I bolded above would bring a defense to the Cards that wouldn't allow 40pt beaddowns at the hands of the Falcons, Chiefs or Chargers or letting a 14pt lead get away in the Viking game to name a few off the top of my head......gee I might be on board with it myself

I just don't see it with the way the Cards soup is cooked right now...something has got to go. Too much garlic, potatos are mushy, no celery, carrots not cooked, useing chicken broth in a beef stew.....etc

imo, it would require hiring a strong GM who has intangibles to run the show with moxie and weed out the deadwood and get decent players and coaches in their stead

 

[Chopper0080]

Ask yourself this -

If we had NFL-caliber QBing for all 16 games, would we even be having this discussion? (i.e. would we be in the playoffs with the defense and DC we've already got)?

I'm guessing "Yes."

But that doesn't mean I'm thrilled with Davis and our defense.

- Too much inconsistency.

- Couldn't make mid-game adjustments to mismatches.

(There were other nit-picky stuff - like the fall-off in A-Dub's play - but those two were the biggies).

Question of the hour: Can we get away with keeping the status quo on defense and focus on tweaking stuff? Or do we need to change coaching or player personnel?

My gut tells me that - assuming we keep everyone on our current roster we need to keep - this offseason might be one that should be devoted to shoring up the offensive side of the ball and letting the defense take care of itself.

Specifically, we need big time help at QB, OL (especially LT) and TE.

I don't in any way think that our defense requires wholesale changes as we have good athleticism at most levels of the defense. Where we need improvements is in three areas...

1: An established and successful defensive coordinator that brings a scheme with a history of success. This is something that neither of our recent coordinators has had, and a main reason that we struggle with our defensive players buying into the scheme. In real world terms, it is tough to trust a new manager with your job who has no history of success or a distinguishable plan to become successful.

2: More athletic linebackers. I almost put younger, but more than that, we need athletes, especially if we are to continue in a 3-4. It isn't really important if the players are added through free agency or the draft, but what matters is that they are added.

3: Don't pass on Champ Bailey to draft Akili Smith. What I mean by this is that there are two fantastic cb's in this draft and we have to make sure that we don't pass them up to take a fast rising QB that comes with more questions than answers. Patrick Peterson and Prince A will be really good players in this league and at the top of the draft it can be better to take the stronger football player than the stronger athlete at times. I am not saying to take these guys no matter what, just make sure there is a good reason to pass them up.