Team speed: Will we address it?

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I guess the signing of Terrence Holt and Roderick Hood classifies as improving team speed, but wasn't overall team speed for those of us who watched this team last year a major problem?

If things go as planned and we take the Offensive Lineman (Thomas or Brown) with the first pick, then we have 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 7th round to address team speed.

Is that enough to help?
 

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I don't understand this fascination with team speed.
 

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They have to address it. Whiz has already talked about moving the team towards a 3-4 defense. You can't run that defense without speed. Just look at how fast the Steelers players are in terms of defensive team speed.
 

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I don't understand this fascination with team speed.

Me too.

I think A LOT of people in A LOT of sports focus way too much on team speed, and individual player speed.

Boldin and Fitz are not burners but they get the job done, and well at that. Jerry Rice is the best to every play the game and he ran a 4.6

Brains can make up of speed everytime.

I think our team's "speed" is just fine.
 

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They have to address it. Whiz has already talked about moving the team towards a 3-4 defense. You can't run that defense without speed. Just look at how fast the Steelers players are in terms of defensive team speed.

When and where did Whis talk about moving the team to a 3-4?
 

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When and where did Whis talk about moving the team to a 3-4?

Whiz on KTAR said that he wants to move the team towards a 3-4 but didn't feel they had the personel to do it at this time. That tells me he is going to replace guys and move towards a quicker sideline to sideline team a la the Steelers. You cannot run the 3-4 defense without fast guys. So I doubt you will see it be a regular defensive set here until he has the guys he thinks can run it.
 

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Whiz on KTAR said that he wants to move the team towards a 3-4 but didn't feel they had the personel to do it at this time. That tells me he is going to replace guys and move towards a quicker sideline to sideline team a la the Steelers. You cannot run the 3-4 defense without fast guys. So I doubt you will see it be a regular defensive set here until he has the guys he thinks can run it.

When was this? I must have missed it.
 
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Drafting LB Patrick Willis, recently clocked at 4.37, would fit the bill!
 

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It was after he started hiring his staff. He was on with Gambo and Ash and the question was did he plan on bringing the 3-4 to Arizona.

Cool. I've been saying that Whiz wanted to move to a 3-4 but my info always came from MJ or Bickley. Never from the coaches mouth or anyone from the team.
 

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It was after he started hiring his staff. He was on with Gambo and Ash and the question was did he plan on bringing the 3-4 to Arizona.

And on that note, this is another reason the Cards might select Gaines Adams with their first round pick. He can play DE until they move the the 3-4 and then transition to LB.
 

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It was after he started hiring his staff. He was on with Gambo and Ash and the question was did he plan on bringing the 3-4 to Arizona.

SteelDog, your signature has perhaps the worst Photoshop job I've ever seen. :p
 

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SteelDog, your signature has perhaps the worst Photoshop job I've ever seen. :p

but the best concept

actually, leaving Dirk's face there and changing the jersey logo to Geico would probably do it as well
 

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And on that note, this is another reason the Cards might select Gaines Adams with their first round pick. He can play DE until they move the the 3-4 and then transition to LB.

Don't be surprised if we draft Alan Branch though, as he'd also be very valuable to the 3-4.
 

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Drafting LB Patrick Willis, recently clocked at 4.37, would fit the bill!

But it would not fill our biggest need.

Rufus Alexander, that I hope for, would be just fine as our new linebacker.

Patrick Willis will go in the top ten, and no matter if Joe Thomas is gone by the time we draft we need to take the best availible offensive tackle.
We just have to.

This is our shot. As i hope we cannot hope for Jake Long or Sam Baker next year.

We need to fill out that hole now.
 

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Don't be surprised if we draft Alan Branch though, as he'd also be very valuable to the 3-4.
I don't see us using our first pick on a DT .. with Watson, Clancy, Lewis, Dockett and Cooper we have enough to make it through this season ... now if you are talking about a DE then thats a different story ...
 

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For years and years, NFL scheming has been all about trend, counter trend and counter counter trend, with lots of herd mentality thrown in for good measure.

The West Coast Offense was a means for countering big physical defenses. It relied on a lot of short stuff with quick passes out of the backfield to the HB and FB serving as surrogate "running plays."

This was countered by the zone blitz which disguised coverages in order to confuse west coast style QB's who had to make quick decisions.

Which in turn has been countered by stretch running plays off zone blocking

To counter that, you're seeing more and more mix & max multiple fronts which require DE's and even NG's to drop off in coverage. You need faster defenders if for no other reason than to cover a teammate's six when he's pulled out of position to implement a bizarre or unorthodox coverage.

A parallel thread has been also occurring - less reliance by some (but not all) teams on big physical run stuffers at MLB and DT in favor of penetrating and pursuing interior linemen and Mike backers who can cover RB's and fast TE's like Vernon Davis down the seam.

The pendulem will continue to swing back and forth with each counter move. Right now the trend is toward speed - until someone like a Tom Coughlin figures out that if (a) your offensive line is big, strong and tough enough and (b) you've got Brandon Jacobs running behind it, it won't matter how fast the defense is - they'll just bounce off your players.

And then some team will counter that by putting two 375 pound beasts in the middle of their defensive line again and so on.

If Clancy P and Wiz want to rework the defense on the way to a 3-4, they would have to get faster, somewhat smaller players. But - unless you want to rip apart the defense altogether and start fresh (precisely what we don't need during this period of coaching transition), it's going to take some time - maybe as long as 3 or 4 years; with the changeover to those types of players occurring mostly by attrition (at least at first).

Drafting someone like WIllis to play Mike or SLB would be a terrific start since we have a hole to plug at SLB (that could be done by putting Willis over there or moving Hayes over there). Only thing is - we need to upgrade our O-line and someone like Thomas or Brown might take precedence in round one.

In the second or third rounds, we could probably find ourselves a speedy CB who could learn his trade behind Rolle and Hood while competing with Green for nickel and time time. (Green already has the speed, and Rolle isn't all that slow either).

I realize we're probably now set at safety, but i'm intrigued by Meriweather because he runs in the 4.4's and could also give us more speed as a CB. Here's an unorthodox Belichecky kind of move - consider drafting Sabby Piscatelli in the second or third round. He's listed as a safety who runs a 4.51 but weighs over 220 lbs and sure looks like a mobile, agile and hostile LB. Let him play WILL and keep Dansby at SAM.

Think of the transition to a faster overall defense partly involving adding faster reserves who would be groomed to step up when they're ready to beat out a possibly slower starter ahead of them. That, in my opinion, would be how we'd get from Point A to Point D.

Note - Over on offense, I'm still intrigued and tempted by the possible drafting of Ginn (who could terrify defenses because of his deep speed and thus help take the pressure off Fitz and Q) but I think our other priorities (at LT and SLB) are greater.
 
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I don't see us using our first pick on a DT .. with Watson, Clancy, Lewis, Dockett and Cooper we have enough to make it through this season ... now if you are talking about a DE then thats a different story ...

Branch would make an excellent 3-4 DE though.
 

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I thought Denny Green's major emphasis was on team speed.
 

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But it would not fill our biggest need.

Rufus Alexander, that I hope for, would be just fine as our new linebacker.

Patrick Willis will go in the top ten, and no matter if Joe Thomas is gone by the time we draft we need to take the best availible offensive tackle.
We just have to.

This is our shot. As i hope we cannot hope for Jake Long or Sam Baker next year.

We need to fill out that hole now.



I agree. We cant wait for the second round to get a tackle because Staley and Blaylock (who I love) probably wont be there. I dont think any other O lineman will provide good value there.

How about this draft:


Levi Brown
Tim Crowder
Tanard Jackson
Quincy Black
 

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I agree. We cant wait for the second round to get a tackle because Staley and Blaylock (who I love) probably wont be there. I dont think any other O lineman will provide good value there.

How about this draft:


Levi Brown
Tim Crowder
Tanard Jackson
Quincy Black
Booo. The first two rounds would make me kick the television screen.
 

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I don't either but it makes for something to write about. Does anyone know who has the "best team speed" and what meant to them?
From what I have heard, the Colts had the most team speed. Too bad it didn't help them much.:D
 

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