Tell Dansby's Agent...

[Duckjake]

Dansby's holding up the show? Nonsense. It's the $11.5 million cap hit the Cards took in signing a nearly 40 year old QB.

We get to keep Warner for one year and maybe two and risk losing valuable players who would be with the team for 5-8 more years.

The difference between Warner's cap hit and Leinart's? $9 million. Almost exactly what Dansby's FTag is costing. We have someone to replace Warner we don't have a replacement for Dansby.

It's great that the Cards rewarded Warner for his terrific work in 2008 but it was a mistake from an economic standpoint and imo will cost us in the long run especially with a minimum cap # of $7.5 million for Warner for 2010 if the CBA is renewed even if Kurt never plays a down.

And what's up with paying a 3rd string QB a million bucks when they could get one for a third of that amount? That's $600k the team could have used to bring in some more depth at ILB.

 

[Skkorpion]

The big problem,in my opinion, with the Dansby negotiations is finding the right monetary value for him. It's kind of a unique situation with him and the Cards. On one hand, he's the best player on the defense and is very important to the teams success. On the other hand, he plays a position that it is at,or near, the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to how teams value each position. That's why you saw inside LB's like Maualuga,
Laurinitis,and even Curry to some extent fall on draft day. Teams just don't place as high a value at that position. It would be kind of like having the RG on offense be the highest paid player on that side of the ball. It just doesn't happen no matter how good they are.

Good analogy.

Returning to the salient points in Mitch's thread starter, I'll leave most of them alone except his advice that Dansby consider his teammates plights.

I do not believe any player ever considers what his own contract issues will do to those of his teammates. An occasional player may say he is but it's never true.

Careers are short. New contract opportunities are few. Prime athletic performance years limit big money making chances to once or twice. Agents know all this and make sure their clients do too.

 

[WildBB]

I still don't see what bearing it has on signing Wilson. It shouldn't have any.

Boldin, possibly so if they continue to insist on front loading big deals.

 

[Treefiddy]

Feel free to use the ignore button.

Where is that button? I've looked before for other posters, but could not find it.

As for the topic on hand, several have already stated that we cannot remove the franchise tag once it has been signed. Hill's situation in Seattle was possible because he never signed the tender.

It seems as though Dansby doesn't want to sign any long term contracts because he wants to try out free agency.

The team may as well just move on to Wilson and get him done. I'm not concerned with Boldin's contract, and I find it a bit funny that a lot of people here think it's a priority.

 

[WildBB]

Where is that button? I've looked before for other posters, but could not find it.

As for the topic on hand, several have already stated that we cannot remove the franchise tag once it has been signed. Hill's situation in Seattle was possible because he never signed the tender.

It seems as though Dansby doesn't want to sign any long term contracts because he wants to try out free agency.

The team may as well just move on to Wilson and get him done. I'm not concerned with Boldin's contract, and I find it a bit funny that a lot of people here think it's a priority.

As THE ONE player who mostly has his team mates ears, he should be dealt with. To think that the locker room doesn't play out on the field would be somewhat wrong. Especially when everything isn't going smoothly as planned.

If there is a way, it should be done. After Wilson. No doubt about it.

 

[CardLogic]

Dansby's holding up the show? Nonsense. It's the $11.5 million cap hit the Cards took in signing a nearly 40 year old QB.

We get to keep Warner for one year and maybe two and risk losing valuable players who would be with the team for 5-8 more years.

The difference between Warner's cap hit and Leinart's? $9 million. Almost exactly what Dansby's FTag is costing. We have someone to replace Warner we don't have a replacement for Dansby.

It's great that the Cards rewarded Warner for his terrific work in 2008 but it was a mistake from an economic standpoint and imo will cost us in the long run especially with a minimum cap # of $7.5 million for Warner for 2010 if the CBA is renewed even if Kurt never plays a down.

And what's up with paying a 3rd string QB a million bucks when they could get one for a third of that amount? That's $600k the team could have used to bring in some more depth at ILB.

Great post!

I like Warner and was glad to have him re-signed... But at that price, I am not so sure! Of couse, in order to have this opinion one must have some confidence that Leinart is a capable starter. I believe that he is, and it is better than even odds that we will find that out this upcoming season anyway.

Too much money tied up with franchise taq on Dansby? Somewhat, but they hoped to get a deal done. I now think it won't happen and the FO had ought think that way and move on. Get done what is possible to get done under the existing circumstances. Waiting on Dansby to change his mind is plain stupid!

 

[CardLogic]

Not sure how they would be shot. If we cut him he is a free agent, I'm sure someone of his ability would be able to sign on somewhere and pretty quick.

I think splitsecond is thinking that if cut loose, Dansby would sign on elsewhere (that part I think is guaranteed) and that other teams would be reluctant to sign him to a one year contract. If so, Dansby would not be a FA in 2010.

But it is all moot, because with Dansby signing the tag, both he and the Cardinals are obligated for the 2009 season. The only two things that could change his current status are the signing of a long term (more than one season) contract with the Cardinals, the Cardinals trading Dansby, or both. None of which is very likely!

 

[DieHardCardFan]

Dansby is so overrated on this board, IMO... I say pull the franchise tag off and save 9 mil to spend on other players. I'm still not convinced he is someone who would continue to work his ass off once he signs a huge contract. He is clearly also not interested to negotiate a deal right now. There were issues with him until he got to his last two "contract" years.

I agree!

 

[lauraw]

WildBB I agree with what you said. Boldin is sort of the unofficial team Captain for the Offense JMO.

 

[82CardsGrad]

WildBB I agree with what you said. Boldin is sort of the unofficial team Captain for the Offense JMO.

You know how in Ghostbusters the "important safety tip" was to never cross the beams?
I think you and Shane should never post in the same thread!!

 

[lauraw]

Mitch, Dansby better be careful what he's standing in the way of, like one of Beanie's explosive forearm shivers to the chops....

 

[Mitch]

Mitch, Dansby better be careful what he's standing in the way of, like one of Beanie's explosive forearm shivers to the chops....

LOL!

 

[az1965]

i'm not positive but since he has signed his franchise tag, i don't think it can be pulled. Again, what shred of evidence do you have to back up him becoming lazy. He's been the best player on the defensive side of the ball for about 3-4 years running. Why does that statement not apply to Boldin, Fitz, or anyone who signs a big contract? Please explain to me why that applies to Dansby and no others.

Past history... until the contract year started 2 years ago, there were issues with Dansby during training camps. Maybe it was Green but things started to go so out of hand that Graves, Dansby, and his agent had to sit down and talk about things.

Also, someone else pointed out in this thread that Dansby is the "best" defensive player. I'm not too sure about the "best" part. I believe Wilson is much better than Dansby. I'm also not implying that Dansby is not good and should not be kept. But is he really a $9 million/year guy? Is he really a $15/million a year guy if we tag him again next year?

 

[lauraw]

AZ1965, your point is well-taken. Dansby is a fine LB, but as I've stated before he would rather push someone out of bounds than slam them to the ground! He's not a slobberknocker old-timeLB, but likes to "play in a Tuxedo" as I believe Mitch put it one time. I want a LB who, as My husband use to tell me "Would knock your di$$ in the dirt just as soon as look at you!" excuse the off-color language again, it came from him. He most certainly is not worth what we are paying him, but we are in a tough spot and Dansby is making it tougher. If I was Coach Whizz for a day I'D take the Captain's 'C' Off KD and put it on AW..JMO.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Right, it's Dansby's fault that Graves cant do his job and gets embarrassed by different agents every offseason. Gimme a break.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Past history... until the contract year started 2 years ago, there were issues with Dansby during training camps. Maybe it was Green but things started to go so out of hand that Graves, Dansby, and his agent had to sit down and talk about things.

Also, someone else pointed out in this thread that Dansby is the "best" defensive player. I'm not too sure about the "best" part. I believe Wilson is much better than Dansby. I'm also not implying that Dansby is not good and should not be kept. But is he really a $9 million/year guy? Is he really a $15/million a year guy if we tag him again next year?

i don't really care if there were issues in training camp. There hasn't been any issues when the games count and that's the important thing. I agree Dansby isn't worth 15mill/year but the Cards won't be paying that,nor will anyone else. Let's hope Graves can finally get a deal done. It's like Urban pointed out, Dansby wasn't talking contract because the market has pretty much been set. His agent knows that and i think it's just a matter of time.

 

[overseascardfan]

As it is now, Dansby has the upper hand until he decides he wants long term security or the Cards just let him go. Next year, he either makes $15M or wahtever he can get on the market. I hear about transition tags where teams can either match another teams offer or recieve compensation, is that an option for us next year?

 

[seesred]

Dansby is a very good player and hard to replace. He holds the cards right now as his hit this year is over 9 million. A long term deal would bring the hit way down and allow for the others to be dealt with. I'm afraid we are in for a long wait. IMO the deals will get done just before camp, except for Q, who will get done, but after camp is over and just before game one.

As for can Dansby hit,(Someone said he just pushes guys out of bounds)????, just watch the tapes. In the last two years that man has been balling it! Before you let a guy like this go to free agency, you do what needs to be done and more without giving the whole bank roll.

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[az1965]

AZ1965, your point is well-taken. Dansby is a fine LB, but as I've stated before he would rather push someone out of bounds than slam them to the ground! He's not a slobberknocker old-timeLB, but likes to "play in a Tuxedo" as I believe Mitch put it one time. I want a LB who, as My husband use to tell me "Would knock your di$$ in the dirt just as soon as look at you!" excuse the off-color language again, it came from him. He most certainly is not worth what we are paying him, but we are in a tough spot and Dansby is making it tougher. If I was Coach Whizz for a day I'D take the Captain's 'C' Off KD and put it on AW..JMO.

That's very well put, lauraw... maybe it was how he was used by CP. Let's see how Davis uses him.