Texans make offer to Jenkins

[Harpo]

Texans | Offer Out To Jenkins - posted at KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)
20:42 PT: The Houston Chronicle reports the Houston Texans have reportedly made a contract offer to free agent WR/KR MarTay Jenkins (Cardinals). As noted, he has reportedly narrowed his choices to Jacksonville, Atlanta and Houston.

 

[Cardiac]

Originally posted by Harpo
Texans | Offer Out To Jenkins - posted at KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)
20:42 PT: The Houston Chronicle reports the Houston Texans have reportedly made a contract offer to free agent WR/KR MarTay Jenkins (Cardinals). As noted, he has reportedly narrowed his choices to Jacksonville, Atlanta and Houston.

I'm really getting the impression that Martay doesn't want to sign with the Cards.

Hey Harpo - Throw some of those stats up about Kaspers speed etc., a lot of posters are referring to him as a possession WR.

 

[pinnacle]

wonder if they made an offer without a visit..or the visit was not announced... They may have thrown out something to see if martay and his agent had come to their senses..

Hey Jim O: give us some hints here...was martay at cards camp on thursday saying goodbye and cleaning out his locker..or was he there giving everyone high fives and going over his contract?

 

[Pariah]

Re: Re: Texans make offer to Jenkins

Originally posted by Cardiac
I'm really getting the impression that Martay doesn't want to sign with the Cards.

Hey Harpo - Throw some of those stats up about Kaspers speed etc., a lot of posters are referring to him as a possession WR.

Being in Denver I've heard and seen a lot of Kasper. Yes, Kasper is VERY fast (probably as fast--or real close to it--as Jenkins). But, I think the reason he didn't work out in Denver is they tried to use him as a deep threat and only a deep threat; he was running fly routes everytime he got on the field. I don't know if it was Griese's deep ball that was the problem, he had trouble adjusting to the ball or is he wasn't big enough to make the separation for the "jump balls," but he didn't get it done as that type of WR in Denver.

When he landed in AZ last year he was more effective then I've ever seen him. Why? The Cardinals used him differently than the Broncos did--they used him on short and intermediate routes--possesion routes.

I still believe that Kasper can really stretch the field and make big plays after the catch with his speed, but I also firmly believe that to be effective he needs to be used as a possesion-type WR.

I also like the possibilities that come with using him like that--5 passes that go for 6 yards each, and then --WHAMMO-- he off like a shot for a 75 yard TD.

 

[az643dp]

Re: Re: Re: Texans make offer to Jenkins

Originally posted by Pariah
Being in Denver I've heard and seen a lot of Kasper. When he landed in AZ last year he was more effective then I've ever seen him. Why?

Two words...Jerry and Sullivan.

The quote that should open the eyes of folks in the league is that Kasper said that he learned more from Jerry Sullivan in two weeks then he had learned his entire career.

We are so fortunate to have Jerry Sullivan on our team. I wouln't be surprised if he makes Tyke Tolbert a great Receivers coach if he isn't already.

 

[Skkorpion]

If Rod Graves manages to lose both Martay Jenkins and Frank Sanders, after choosing to let David Boston go, he will be hamstringing Sullivan and the offense.

This is not good. Without those two receivers, I'm going to start agreeing with Ed B that we may go winless this year, even after reworking the draft and picking a WR in round 2.

 

[Rats]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
If Rod Graves manages to lose both Martay Jenkins and Frank Sanders, after choosing to let David Boston go, he will be hamstringing Sullivan and the offense.

This is not good. Without those two receivers, I'm going to start agreeing with Ed B that we may go winless this year, even after reworking the draft and picking a WR in round 2.

Not if we bring in another Vet wideout that can take up playing time and like you said take a Wideout in round 2. It would take alot for this team to not win a game. Alot of injuries and alot of boneheaded play. The O will probably utilize the Tight End more thus helping the deep game with Mcaddley and Gilmore and Kasper. And being able to run the ball CONSISTANTLY will be the single thing that makes us competitive Offensivly. With Emmitt we might get the consistancy...not sure with SHIPP. He will be the differance maker in a few games( the ones we win). But if SHipp isnt a game in and game out guy we will need someone else to get us yrds consistantly. But no way we lose them all...most but not all.

 

[Red Air Force]

I'm sorry but you give them too much credit, Jenkins and Sanders are not good enough to mean the difference between going 0-16, and having a respectable record.

Jenkins has good speed, and mediocore hands; Sanders has good hands and mediocore speed. Both are just average recievers imo, and I think we have at LEAST that much in McCaddely, Gilmore, and Kasper. What we don't have is a true number one wideout, but bringing back Frank and Martay still doesn't solve that problem. We would just have two more #3 MAYBE #2 recievers.

I would not be bothered ONE BIT if both of these guys left. However, what would bother me, would be to make no attempt at signing a #1 WR. I just hope we don't look for it in the draft, cause we aint gonna find it.

Still, even if we did go into the season with this group, I think they are better than 0-16

GRB

 

[az643dp]

Who is a #1 caliber WR out there? I can't find one.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Re: Re: Re: Texans make offer to Jenkins

Originally posted by Pariah
Being in Denver I've heard and seen a lot of Kasper. Yes, Kasper is VERY fast (probably as fast--or real close to it--as Jenkins). But, I think the reason he didn't work out in Denver is they tried to use him as a deep threat and only a deep threat; he was running fly routes everytime he got on the field. I don't know if it was Griese's deep ball that was the problem, he had trouble adjusting to the ball or is he wasn't big enough to make the separation for the "jump balls," but he didn't get it done as that type of WR in Denver.

When he landed in AZ last year he was more effective then I've ever seen him. Why? The Cardinals used him differently than the Broncos did--they used him on short and intermediate routes--possesion routes.

I still believe that Kasper can really stretch the field and make big plays after the catch with his speed, but I also firmly believe that to be effective he needs to be used as a possesion-type WR.

I also like the possibilities that come with using him like that--5 passes that go for 6 yards each, and then --WHAMMO-- he off like a shot for a 75 yard TD.

Pariah....was Kasper hurt when he played in Denver....I think he was.

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by CaliforniaCard
I'm sorry but you give them too much credit, Jenkins and Sanders are not good enough to mean the difference between going 0-16, and having a respectable record.

Jenkins has good speed, and mediocore hands; Sanders has good hands and mediocore speed. Both are just average recievers imo, and I think we have at LEAST that much in McCaddely, Gilmore, and Kasper. What we don't have is a true number one wideout, but bringing back Frank and Martay still doesn't solve that problem. We would just have two more #3 MAYBE #2 recievers.

I would not be bothered ONE BIT if both of these guys left. However, what would bother me, would be to make no attempt at signing a #1 WR. I just hope we don't look for it in the draft, cause we aint gonna find it.

Still, even if we did go into the season with this group, I think they are better than 0-16

GRB

Good post. I agree 100%.

 

[Dan H]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Freddie Jones catch 60-70 balls this year. Tony McGee looked like an All-Pro when Blake played in Cinci.

 

[Skkorpion]

What we don't have is a true number one wideout, but bringing back Frank and Martay still doesn't solve that problem. We would just have two more #3 MAYBE #2 recievers.

I would not be bothered ONE BIT if both of these guys left.

CaliforniaCard, you completely miss the point. Nobody is arguing that Jenkins and Sanders are great receivers but in the short term, they are not replaceable.

Name me one single WR available right now who is as good as those two. Please.

And then consider if we lose them we'll be forced to replace them in the draft by using two of our seven picks. Last year we kept 6 WRs on the roster and that still wasn't enough.

So losing them would completely shatter Rod Graves' offseason plan.

 

[Harpo]

Hey Harpo - Throw some of those stats up about Kaspers speed etc., a lot of posters are referring to him as a possession WR.

That quote is due to a disagreement on another board, the following is my argument.

There is no doubt that Kasper is a possession receiver.....ie he caught 159 of 161 passes thrown to him in college. I just crack up when everyone talks about the speed of McAddley Gilmore and Jenkins, and then mentions Kasper as if he is a slow guy who at least has good hands. I couldn't find the combine #s for Gilmore and Jenkins, but here is how Mcaddley and Kasper stack up.

Mc- 6ft 1.4 in 203 lbs
KK- 6ft 0 in 199 lbs

........................Mc....... KK
10 yd.......... ....1.59.... 1.56
40 yd.............. .4.47.... 4.44
20yd shuttle.... 4.09.... 3.73 all-time record
3 cone drill...... 6.83.... 6.56 all-time record
vert jump........ 36.5in.. 43.5in
broad jump..... 10'3.... 10'6

Kasper also holds the all-time record in the 60 yd shuttle with a time of 10.43, I couldn't find Mcaddleys time.

Therefore, my conclusion is that Kasper is not only faster, but has better hands and a extra 7 inches on his vertical which comes in handy on OT catches to win games like this one.....

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[Harpo]

Whoops, the pic from the website is about a 1/4 of that size

 

[az643dp]

Originally posted by Harpo
Whoops, the pic from the website is about a 1/4 of that size

Which website? That is a sweet pic. I want that as my wallpaper!

 

[wierwolf]

Kasper

I agree with not being overwhelmed with Sanders and Jenkins. If they don't want to be here fine. Jenkins just dropped tooo many passes. He is good for KR. But as a wideout he has too much butterfingers. Sander is only Mediocre. Yes we need a #1 Receiver. But those two are not it. The latter 3 especially Kasper will work well with Blake. Just watch. But Kasper was our play maker. We needed yardage he got it. Needed a first he generally got it when Jake looked at him. So those 2 can leave for all I care.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by Harpo
Whoops, the pic from the website is about a 1/4 of that size

No worries, looks great. I hope Kasper has a breakout year.

 

[Red Air Force]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
CaliforniaCard, you completely miss the point. Nobody is arguing that Jenkins and Sanders are great receivers but in the short term, they are not replaceable.

Name me one single WR available right now who is as good as those two. Please.

And then consider if we lose them we'll be forced to replace them in the draft by using two of our seven picks. Last year we kept 6 WRs on the roster and that still wasn't enough.

So losing them would completely shatter Rod Graves' offseason plan.

See...and I think they've already been replaced, and that they are or will be as good or better than Jenkins and Sanders. So as far as I'm concerend, we don't need to spend ANY picks on WR in the Draft.

I would say though, that we do need to sign at least A veteran, either now or after the Jun 1st cuts, and then fill out the rest of the WR corps with the Solidays, Parkers and whatever other UDFAs they like.

IMO the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th recievers are already on the team, and we just need to figure out a way to find a #1.

 

[Harpo]

The website is at www.kevinkasper.com

Kasper's web page

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by CaliforniaCard
See...and I think they've already been replaced, and that they are or will be as good or better than Jenkins and Sanders. So as far as I'm concerend, we don't need to spend ANY picks on WR in the Draft.

I would say though, that we do need to sign at least A veteran, either now or after the Jun 1st cuts, and then fill out the rest of the WR corps with the Solidays, Parkers and whatever other UDFAs they like.

IMO the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th recievers are already on the team, and we just need to figure out a way to find a #1.

Again well put. McAddelly, Gilmore and Kasper are not chump change.

 

[red desert]

Plus, it was Sullivan who brought out the best in both Boston Jenkins. The guy has to know what he's letting go and what he's keeping. We'll be fine at wide receiver.

 

[artp]

I would rather sign Sanders than Jenkins. Sanders has always had a professional way about him that would benefit the remaining Wrs: McAddley, Gilmore, and Kasper. I agree that we could sign someone after the June cuts that would better the competition for the WR spots. I'm not worried about WR even if we lose Jenkins.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I still want us to draft a receiver, but preferably in the second-third area. I would love for us to add another good young prospect.

My list of guys I wouldn't mind getting

1. Tyrone Calico, Middle Tennessee State
Everybody keeps talking about how good Sullivan is, and if he is really as good as everyone (myself included) thinks Calico would be an intriguing prospect. Around 6'2 220, low 4.4 speed....sounds a lot like a small school Andre Johnson

2. Bryant Johnson, Penn. State
I watched him quite a bit this year, and I always loved what I saw: a big, strong, fast receiver. At about 6'1 215, with 4.4 speed, and decently polished, he could contribute this year.

3. Rashaun Woods, Okla. State
A guy that is hard to stop, ask Terrance Newman. Size/Speed guy that could be a pretty good NFL receiver.

4. Arnaz Battle, Notre Dame
The biggest project of this group, but might have as much upside as anybody. From what I heard of his workout, he is one of the better all around athletes in this draft, just the type of guy we need to bring in to work with Sully and Tolbert.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't understand.How come when we lose a player,in this case Sanders and Jenkins,it's no big deal.People say they are replaceable and they weren't that good anyway.But when we sign other people's trash,like Blake, they are the huge upgrades and everything will be fine.Let's assume we've lost Jenkins and Sanders.That means our offense has lost our 3 top WR's and a Qb who has been around for 6-7 years and have repalced them with a journeyman,at best,QB.I don't see how that can be seen as improving the team.