Thank God we didn't draft Terrell Suggs

[kerouac9]

In case no one read, T-Sizzle just set an NFL rookie record for recording sacks in each of his first four games. Thank God we didn't draft this guy, because that would interfere with our team policy of not sacking the quarterback. He also has a pick.

Also, if you didn't read the ESPN Insider comments from the Jag's staff following Byron Leftwich's first start, you should. It's pretty glowing praise for a player that had a sub-par day out there.

 

[Sandan]

You are so right, he would have great for us coming of the corner as a LB.

Oh wait, he would have been at DE end here and had to take on OL guys directoly. Sorry for an awful moment there I thought you had a valid point.

 

[SECTION 11]

Leftwich is gonna rock.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by nidan
You are so right, he would have great for us coming of the corner as a LB.

Oh wait, he would have been at DE end here and had to take on OL guys directoly. Sorry for an awful moment there I thought you had a valid point.

Yeah I guess he never did anything coming out of a three-point stance as a defenseive end. All he's done is nearly equal the sack totals of all the other rookies in the league COMBINED.

But just ignore that, because we have a Defensive Rookie of the Year Candidate in Calvin Pace. How many sacks did Simeon Rice have at this point his rookie season? Pace must have many more sacks than Fred Wakefield.

And don't discount all those times that he just pressures the QB and created all those turnovers.

 

[Sandan]

Point is production at LB in a 3-4 has nothing to do with what his production would have been as a DE in a 4-3, nothing.

In fact from what I've read, most folks seem to think he was best suited for where he ended up. If true, then what a surprise he is being succesful.

Get over it, it you really want to dump on the Cards management pick a topic that at least makes a little sense. This one is pointless.

Leftwich, maybe but that was a judegment call but I certainly wouldn't have been upset with drafting him. If you want to spew out the second guess, stay with the Leftwich line of attack, the Suggs one is pointless. You will never know how he would have done in a 4-3 and all the ranting in the world won't change that.

 

[MadCardDisease]

It's interesting to note that Suggs only has 7 tackles 5 of them solo and yes 4 of the 5 were sacks. Now compare that to Ray Lewis who already has 43 tackles 33 of which were solo and no sacks.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
It's interesting to note that Suggs only has 7 tackles 5 of them solo and yes 4 of the 5 were sacks. Now compare that to Ray Lewis who already has 43 tackles 33 of which were solo and no sacks.

Suggs only plays on obvious passing downs. He's not an everyday guy.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by nidan
Point is production at LB in a 3-4 has nothing to do with what his production would have been as a DE in a 4-3, nothing.

No matter how many times you repeat this Nidan, people are going to compare anyhow.

And, Suggs is playing much more like a DE than an OLB. As posters have said, he's being brought in in rush situations and lining up in the DE spot.

The most unfair thing about comparing Pace and Suggs is not the position, but the other talent on defense. Pace has guys starting with him who wouldn't make some, maybe even most, rosters in the NFL.

 

[Renz]

I still say we should have drafted Urlacher and Kearse.

 

[Duckjake]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
It's interesting to note that Suggs only has 7 tackles 5 of them solo and yes 4 of the 5 were sacks. Now compare that to Ray Lewis who already has 43 tackles 33 of which were solo and no sacks.

Or McKinnon who has 100 tackles and all of them are from jumping on a RB from behind 7 yards downfield.

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Leftwich is gonna rock.

I second that. You can see it already. Lefty and a 4th round cb or pass-rush specialist. Hmm...

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Cardinals.Ken
Suggs only plays on obvious passing downs. He's not an everyday guy.

With no responsibility to the TE, FB, RB.

Send Thompson at the QB every single passing down and he'd have four, maybe.

 

[arthurracoon]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Leftwich is gonna rock.

Yes...

 

[brews]

Originally posted by Duckjake
Or McKinnon who has 100 tackles and all of them are from jumping on a RB from behind 7 yards downfield.

C'mon, that's not fair. The RB is only 4 yards downfield when McKinnon jumps on his back. He gets a ride for 3 yards before it's a 7 yard games.

 

[Duckjake]

Originally posted by brews
C'mon, that's not fair. The RB is only 4 yards downfield when McKinnon jumps on his back. He gets a ride for 3 yards before it's a 7 yard gain.

Sorry, you are correct, I tend to exaggerate after a loss.

 

[AzCards21]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Yeah I guess he never did anything coming out of a three-point stance as a defenseive end. All he's done is nearly equal the sack totals of all the other rookies in the league COMBINED.

But just ignore that, because we have a Defensive Rookie of the Year Candidate in Calvin Pace. How many sacks did Simeon Rice have at this point his rookie season? Pace must have many more sacks than Fred Wakefield.

And don't discount all those times that he just pressures the QB and created all those turnovers.

Hmm, I guess next week the opposing O.C. had better completely ignore R. Lewis and double up on Suggs then. You're record is skipping again, go move the needle to a new song. It's absolutely ludicrous to think that Suggs has recorded 4 sacks on his own and would have done the same here. He is an above average athlete with questionable work ethic and is showing some signs of life in a defensively powerful line up. Put him out there to do it with our supporting cast and it isn't going to happen. Get over it.

 

[Duckjake]

Originally posted by AzCards21
Hmm, I guess next week the opposing O.C. had better completely ignore R. Lewis and double up on Suggs then. You're record is skipping again, go move the needle to a new song. It's absolutely ludicrous to think that Suggs has recorded 4 sacks on his own and would have done the same here. He is an above average athlete with questionable work ethic and is showing some signs of life in a defensively powerful line up. Put him out there to do it with our supporting cast and it isn't going to happen. Get over it.

Yeah, nobody could ever come to Arizona and do well. AND Rookie wide receivers never contribute in the NFL.

Come on guys Rice tied the NFL record for sacks by a rookie on a team that had been set back years by Buddy Ryan and on a DLine that included Bernard (I've got pictures of the coach) Wilson!!!

To listen to most of the posters on this board no player in NFL history has ever excelled through individual effort, but succeded or failed based soley on the players around him.

 

[AzCards21]

Originally posted by Duckjake
Yeah, nobody could ever come to Arizona and do well. AND Rookie wide receivers never contribute in the NFL.

Come on guys Rice tied the NFL record for sacks by a rookie on a team that had been set back years by Buddy Ryan and on a DLine that included Bernard (I've got pictures of the coach) Wilson!!!

To listen to most of the posters on this board no player in NFL history has ever excelled through individual effort, but succeded or failed based soley on the players around him.

I never said one guy couldn't make a difference. I just disagree that Suggs is one of those guys.