Thanks Mr. Green!

[cardcrazy]

Once again Im am totally disguisted with my team. Mr. Green you have come in and done nothing to turn this team around. We are officially the worst team in the NFL. Yes when you lose twice to the worst team, guess what, You ARE the worst team. Thanks for putting us there once again. Its hard to bring positives out of this loss. Anyone who clings to small playoff hopes is a fool. This team in NO way deserves to be in the post season! We,ll be LUCKY to win one more. We are embarrasing! It will be tough to go to work and hear all the jokes today. Thanks Mr. Green!

 

[az1965]

Last four games, the team has turned backwards on ways of last couple of years (Mac years).

Lack of execution,
Lack of focus and concentration (stupid mistakes and bunch of penalties), Coming out flat in games that meant a lot,
Losing to bad teams,
Making backup and practice squad player appear to be pro-bowlers,
...

 

[Sandan]

I've been biting my tounge to keep from responding to posts like this. It sounds like the guy sitting next to us. You listen to the local media the reguritate back what they have said.

Mr. Green you have come in and done nothing to turn this team around.

How about bringing in Berry, who is fighting with D Freeny for the NFL sack leader. Is this not an improvement.

How about bringing in coaches who can actually coach. While it has a long way to go, we do actually have defence this year.

In your frustration [which I share] you seem to forget that DG isstill dealing with a squad that was mostly hired by the previous regeime. To say it was in need of upgrading would be a understatement. Do you honestly think that could be achieved in 1 year ? Our RB situation is part of the hangover from Mac, when Shipp went down we were officially screwed. The drop off we have after our starters is huge.

We are officially the worst team in the NFL. Yes when you lose twice to the worst team, guess what, You ARE the worst team. Thanks for putting us there once again.

Rubbish, are we good, no, but there is huge progress from last year. This year they are fighting and losing a number of games close, this means you can make a few upgrades and with luck win them close next year.

To say we are the worst team in football is ludicrious, if for no other reason we have won twice as many games as the 49's. But then I guess this is the Arizona way, refuse to see any signs of progress, blame the Bidwill's and call our teram the worst in football.

Sure I know you will rip me for this because the classic comeback is "Even if we aren't the worst, we are soo bad who cares".

Well I care and I see progress even if it is painful. I see the first signs that maybe, just maybe Josh can be an NFL QB. He was checking down to #2, and #3 wr options. He wasn't staring down the #1 wr and then throwing it. He didn't have happy feet.

I see a team without a legitimate featured RB or reasonable backups (see legacy of Mac), this can be fixed next year. Draft I expect

I see a OL that needs help, FA

I see a D that is playing far better but needs a big NT to stop the run (FA/Draft) and CB - draft

Most importantly I see progress, once Shipp went down (and Q for 1/2 the season) playoffs were unlikely without a lot of luck which we didn't get.

 

[CaptTurbo]

I've been biting my tounge to keep from responding to posts like this. It sounds like the guy sitting next to us. You listen to the local media the reguritate back what they have said.

How about bringing in Berry, who is fighting with D Freeny for the NFL sack leader. Is this not an improvement.

How about bringing in coaches who can actually coach. While it has a long way to go, we do actually have defence this year.

In your frustration [which I share] you seem to forget that DG isstill dealing with a squad that was mostly hired by the previous regeime. To say it was in need of upgrading would be a understatement. Do you honestly think that could be achieved in 1 year ? Our RB situation is part of the hangover from Mac, when Shipp went down we were officially screwed. The drop off we have after our starters is huge.

Rubbish, are we good, no, but there is huge progress from last year. This year they are fighting and losing a number of games close, this means you can make a few upgrades and with luck win them close next year.

To say we are the worst team in football is ludicrious, if for no other reason we have won twice as many games as the 49's. But then I guess this is the Arizona way, refuse to see any signs of progress, blame the Bidwill's and call our teram the worst in football.

Sure I know you will rip me for this because the classic comeback is "Even if we aren't the worst, we are soo bad who cares".

Well I care and I see progress even if it is painful. I see the first signs that maybe, just maybe Josh can be an NFL QB. He was checking down to #2, and #3 wr options. He wasn't staring down the #1 wr and then throwing it. He didn't have happy feet.

I see a team without a legitimate featured RB or reasonable backups (see legacy of Mac), this can be fixed next year. Draft I expect

I see a OL that needs help, FA

I see a D that is playing far better but needs a big NT to stop the run (FA/Draft) and CB - draft

Most importantly I see progress, once Shipp went down (and Q for 1/2 the season) playoffs were unlikely without a lot of luck which we didn't get.

Agree 100% except for the part that Josh may be an NFL QB.

 

[Sandan]

I said 'can be' not 'is', a better phrasing would have been 'may be'

This is the only position I have no clue how to fix in one off season. If he isn't we may be looking at a rookie who needs time to mature.

I hope not, so I hope Josh makes it.

 

[Faithful]

I agree with you 100% Nidan!! Thanks for putting into words what I was thinking. Even though we lost yesterday, I had a great time watching our team. I know it will only be a matter of time before we are putting consistent wins on the board. As for Josh, I think he has what it takes but everyone wants him to be a top NFL qb immediately...not happening. Hopefully he is given the chance to show he does have what it takes next year with the Cards.

 

[clif]

I've been biting my tounge to keep from responding to posts like this. It sounds like the guy sitting next to us. You listen to the local media the reguritate back what they have said.

How about bringing in Berry, who is fighting with D Freeny for the NFL sack leader. Is this not an improvement.

How about bringing in coaches who can actually coach. While it has a long way to go, we do actually have defence this year.

In your frustration [which I share] you seem to forget that DG isstill dealing with a squad that was mostly hired by the previous regeime. To say it was in need of upgrading would be a understatement. Do you honestly think that could be achieved in 1 year ? Our RB situation is part of the hangover from Mac, when Shipp went down we were officially screwed. The drop off we have after our starters is huge.

Rubbish, are we good, no, but there is huge progress from last year. This year they are fighting and losing a number of games close, this means you can make a few upgrades and with luck win them close next year.

To say we are the worst team in football is ludicrious, if for no other reason we have won twice as many games as the 49's. But then I guess this is the Arizona way, refuse to see any signs of progress, blame the Bidwill's and call our teram the worst in football.

Sure I know you will rip me for this because the classic comeback is "Even if we aren't the worst, we are soo bad who cares".

Well I care and I see progress even if it is painful. I see the first signs that maybe, just maybe Josh can be an NFL QB. He was checking down to #2, and #3 wr options. He wasn't staring down the #1 wr and then throwing it. He didn't have happy feet.

I see a team without a legitimate featured RB or reasonable backups (see legacy of Mac), this can be fixed next year. Draft I expect

I see a OL that needs help, FA

I see a D that is playing far better but needs a big NT to stop the run (FA/Draft) and CB - draft

Most importantly I see progress, once Shipp went down (and Q for 1/2 the season) playoffs were unlikely without a lot of luck which we didn't get.

I share your feelings exactly.

It's apparent that no matter what some people just want to dwell on the negative.

this loss sucks so bad, but I have hope that this offseason will be very interesting.

I really doubt this team looks anything near what it looks like right now.

 

[Sandan]

In the words of Pink Floyd I'm now "Comfortably Numb', everything else this season is a bonus.

 

[Rats]

Denny Green in todays press conferance said that in the days of FA a team turns over at least 25% of its roster every year. He said no one should be happy with what has been done this season the team has 4 wins. He said that he is to blame because the owners hired him to turn things around here. He is saying he is accountable. It is however his job to get the thing turned around in a reasonable amount of time. Anyone here on this board or within this organization including DG that feels this team had enough talent on the roster to overcome a rebuilding effort is and was mistaken. I laugh out loud at threads like this because it means you felt this team was talented enough to be a playoff caliber team. We weren't and we aren't. There have been some strides made to help us in the long term. We have some solid players. We will need another good draft and a couple of more impact FA. We will be more competitive next season because we will have another year in this system and players that are back will know what to expect. As for the QB. It will be very hard for me to see us getting someone in the Draft or FA that will give us a better shot than McCown. There may be someone. I just don't see them at this point. Maybe a Brooks will become available. But Josh is now getting ahead of the learning curve. If he is back he will understand more of what is expected of him and what he has to do to be successful. The offensive coordinator called better plays in the second half. Josh missed open guys but we did utilize the TE alot more than we have. I think DG wants to be accountable but because he has rubbed the media the wrong way he will get blasted unfairly when he was undermanned in the trenches to begin with. We have a good cap situation and it is hoped the owners will spend it this year to get this team where it needs to be to be competitive. DG is the head coach. But he is far from the reason we have bad football in the valley.

 

[conraddobler]

Dennis Green points to chart when asked how are you going to turn this around showing his spiffy win percentage.

He might has well have said you've got a winner in town.

I see the improvements in places and good lord I'd hope so we were the unofficial worst team in football last year.

I see Green's eye for talent it's very good.

I see some players play their butts off and that's good.

What I wanted to see was a coach that was very good at his job.

I see a flailing gibberish spewing goofball who's gut needs to take a number and shut the heck up while his under worked brain drives the car a while.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Once again Im am totally disguisted with my team. Mr. Green you have come in and done nothing to turn this team around. We are officially the worst team in the NFL. Yes when you lose twice to the worst team, guess what, You ARE the worst team. Thanks for putting us there once again. Its hard to bring positives out of this loss. Anyone who clings to small playoff hopes is a fool. This team in NO way deserves to be in the post season! We,ll be LUCKY to win one more. We are embarrasing! It will be tough to go to work and hear all the jokes today. Thanks Mr. Green!

No way I still love what Green is doing, he will turn this team around I support Green 100%. Theres tons of improvement, this team is very close, one more offseason and this team will be getting W's.

 

[cardcrazy]

Everyone sounds so optimistic! Were we watching the same game? This is a poorly coached team! If you come out 28-3 to a team that is struggling as bad as the 49ers are this season, then something is SERIOUSLY WRONG!!!!!

Wake Up! How many years do you have to be fooled into thinking that things are going to turn around next year? We are 4-9 and most of the time we look bad on the field. With a few spurts of decency here and there (ex: sundays failed comeback). The fact is we are no better than we were last year at this time. We still have no running game! We still have QB problems! We have at least one big play reciever but nobody to get the ball to him! Our D-line still cannot stop the run! Our D-backs are still inconsistent! Our new O-coord.(aka Alex Woods) or whoever is calling the plays has made many questionable calls this season. These are BIG problems!

Excuse me for being so negative but I live and breath CARD football, and losing like we have been is like punching me in the gut. Maybe I just expected a little more this season (and even a little would have worked), or maybe its 28 years of losing that is gnawing away at my insides. After years of evaluating every possible positive at the end of an obvious losing season, I now assess how the team is progressing by Wins and Losses only, nothing else will soothe the stinging! And 4-9 isnt stopping the pain! But you can bet I'll be as optimistic as all of you are after this miserable year is over, just give a few months.
Cardcrazy

 

[WisconsinCard]

I've been biting my tounge to keep from responding to posts like this. It sounds like the guy sitting next to us. You listen to the local media the reguritate back what they have said.

How about bringing in Berry, who is fighting with D Freeny for the NFL sack leader. Is this not an improvement.

How about bringing in coaches who can actually coach. While it has a long way to go, we do actually have defence this year.

In your frustration [which I share] you seem to forget that DG isstill dealing with a squad that was mostly hired by the previous regeime. To say it was in need of upgrading would be a understatement. Do you honestly think that could be achieved in 1 year ? Our RB situation is part of the hangover from Mac, when Shipp went down we were officially screwed. The drop off we have after our starters is huge.

Rubbish, are we good, no, but there is huge progress from last year. This year they are fighting and losing a number of games close, this means you can make a few upgrades and with luck win them close next year.

To say we are the worst team in football is ludicrious, if for no other reason we have won twice as many games as the 49's. But then I guess this is the Arizona way, refuse to see any signs of progress, blame the Bidwill's and call our teram the worst in football.

Sure I know you will rip me for this because the classic comeback is "Even if we aren't the worst, we are soo bad who cares".

Well I care and I see progress even if it is painful. I see the first signs that maybe, just maybe Josh can be an NFL QB. He was checking down to #2, and #3 wr options. He wasn't staring down the #1 wr and then throwing it. He didn't have happy feet.

I see a team without a legitimate featured RB or reasonable backups (see legacy of Mac), this can be fixed next year. Draft I expect

I see a OL that needs help, FA

I see a D that is playing far better but needs a big NT to stop the run (FA/Draft) and CB - draft

Most importantly I see progress, once Shipp went down (and Q for 1/2 the season) playoffs were unlikely without a lot of luck which we didn't get.

I totally agree...and I might add maybe the best draft ever for the Cards.

 

[Redsz]

Everyone should be optimistic, because in the words of Tom Jackson: "It is a plan that goes beyond this year".

There are a number of postives we can point out to show improvement. But this thing is going to take more than one year to turn around.

I just temper my expectations with the Cardinals. So anything that happens is a bonus. It sooths the pain.

 

[john h]

Everyone sounds so optimistic! Were we watching the same game? This is a poorly coached team! If you come out 28-3 to a team that is struggling as bad as the 49ers are this season, then something is SERIOUSLY WRONG!!!!!

Wake Up! How many years do you have to be fooled into thinking that things are going to turn around next year? We are 4-9 and most of the time we look bad on the field. With a few spurts of decency here and there (ex: sundays failed comeback). The fact is we are no better than we were last year at this time. We still have no running game! We still have QB problems! We have at least one big play reciever but nobody to get the ball to him! Our D-line still cannot stop the run! Our D-backs are still inconsistent! Our new O-coord.(aka Alex Woods) or whoever is calling the plays has made many questionable calls this season. These are BIG problems!

You and I are apparently watching a different Cards game than many others. I see no reason to think this team is much improved over last year. Our record hardly reflects it. We will have much the same problems next year as this year. No proven QB and even with a decent draft we will be starting rookies once again. One of our best players (Wilson) seems on the verge of not resigning (why would he?) so once again we lose good players as fast as we can sign a good player which is not very often. Green clearly has people skills problems. P------the press off does not help put people in the seats and is really unnecessary and yes he does need to explain why he does things as we are the ones who pay his salary. We get a lot of our information from the press. All of the press does not suck and they are not all idiots. For the most part they call it like they see it. Most talk to the players and have some insights we do not. If the press is down on Green they have good reason. I am down on Green and I think I have good reason. We field a poor team that is poorly coached. There is no reason to think this team will be better than .500 next year and you have to be looking through rose covered glasses to make that reach. My guess on this years draft is that Graves is going to have more input than last year and will certainly have a little more input on firing players and coaches. Graves does not have a multi year big number contract and I would guess he is the guy most responsible for bringing Green to AZ. The Bidwills are here to make money. They are in fact losing money. If you really want to p--- the Bidwills off start losing money in a business where no one else losses money and you will see some changes and quick.

 

[chickenhead]

It does feel like deja vu to a certain extent, but I do in all honestly feel like we are closer this time. We have a free agent signing who has gone on to success in Berry - that breaks the cycle. We have two young WRs that will be coveted by QBs uninterested in "partial retirement." We have a clear opening for RBs like Jordan who want to be the man.

Many of Green's week-to-week decisions have frustrated me, but he has eliminated one of our biggest problems - the perception that the Cardinals will not bring in talent to support you. Green may not have any more success in Arizona than Holmgren has had in Seattle, but the Seahawks are definitely a different franchise than they were a few years ago.

 

[WildBB]

I've been biting my tounge to keep from responding to posts like this. It sounds like the guy sitting next to us. You listen to the local media the reguritate back what they have said.

How about bringing in Berry, who is fighting with D Freeny for the NFL sack leader. Is this not an improvement.

How about bringing in coaches who can actually coach. While it has a long way to go, we do actually have defence this year.

In your frustration [which I share] you seem to forget that DG isstill dealing with a squad that was mostly hired by the previous regeime. To say it was in need of upgrading would be a understatement. Do you honestly think that could be achieved in 1 year ? Our RB situation is part of the hangover from Mac, when Shipp went down we were officially screwed. The drop off we have after our starters is huge.

Rubbish, are we good, no, but there is huge progress from last year. This year they are fighting and losing a number of games close, this means you can make a few upgrades and with luck win them close next year.

To say we are the worst team in football is ludicrious, if for no other reason we have won twice as many games as the 49's. But then I guess this is the Arizona way, refuse to see any signs of progress, blame the Bidwill's and call our teram the worst in football.

Sure I know you will rip me for this because the classic comeback is "Even if we aren't the worst, we are soo bad who cares".

Well I care and I see progress even if it is painful. I see the first signs that maybe, just maybe Josh can be an NFL QB. He was checking down to #2, and #3 wr options. He wasn't staring down the #1 wr and then throwing it. He didn't have happy feet.

I see a team without a legitimate featured RB or reasonable backups (see legacy of Mac), this can be fixed next year. Draft I expect

I see a OL that needs help, FA

I see a D that is playing far better but needs a big NT to stop the run (FA/Draft) and CB - draft

Most importantly I see progress, once Shipp went down (and Q for 1/2 the season) playoffs were unlikely without a lot of luck which we didn't get.

The frustrating thing is when we had our main guy back healthy and we had an opening in the 2nd half of the season - we did squat.

The 1st half gave us real hope with the close winnable losses to the Lambs, Falcolns and the Pats in some ways.

While the Carolina game especially was horrifying, along with the Jets, Det. and now 9ers at home.

 

[D-Dogg]

I guess you don't feel positive about this:

| 1 | at Detroit Lions | L | 24-42
| 2 | Seattle Seahawks | L | 0-38 |
| 4 | at St. Louis Rams | L | 13-37 |
| 5 | at Dallas Cowboys | L | 7-24 |
| 10 | at Pittsburgh Steelers | L | 15-28 |
| 11 | at Cleveland Browns | L | 6-44 |
| 13 | at Chicago Bears | L | 3-28 |
| 14 | at San Francisco 49ers | L | 14-50 |
| 16 | at Seattle Seahawks | L | 10-28 |

That was last season.

This year, we've had two losses like that.

That shows me something damn positive.

It amazes me how some people gobble down the media's take on everything in the world. However, being a Laker fan on the side, I'm used to media distortions. Denny Green is to the local media as Kobe Bryant is to the national media. I prefer to watch the games, see the breakdowns, look at the stats and make up my own mind. Bob Kemp, Dan Bickely, Mike Jurecki, et al are no different than Denny when it comes to egotripping, and they all have less credibility than DG...

I'm just going to keep pasting the above into all the topics where people don't seem to see that we have stepped forward, not backwards, as a team.

 

[CaptTurbo]

While the Carolina game especially was horrifying, along with the Jets, Det. and now 9ers at home.

Image that. Wild BB's Josh love has allowed him to totally ignore every awful Josh game. Is ignorance bliss or what?

How about the falcons game. Easily the ugliest one of the year. Off your list? 9ers in san fran? You almsot got that one but had to label only the home game. Guess a 49ers team at home with 80% of the team on IR is not really winnable for your boy under center. Buffalo was pretty ugly, even Miami, definatly in the bottom 3 teams and it took a hail mary.

Sheesh, short memory there buddy.

 

[D-Dogg]

even Miami, definatly in the bottom 3 teams and it took a hail mary.

Don't forget, some very favorable calls from the zebras.