That’s Why You Fire Kliff

[MadCardDisease]

I just don't know what any HC can do when your QB is playing bad football.

Has Matt LeFleur suddenly become a bad HC? Do we think Rodgers would suddenly get better if LeFleur went? Same with McVay and Stafford. Or Brady and Leftwich.

I'm not a believer that if the HC just did this secret handshake or said the magic word the QB would suddenly get better. Players have to take responsibility for their own bad play and put it right.

Nothing Kliff can do can stop Kyler trying to throw a 50 yard bomb into double coverage when only down 4 in the 3rd quarter.

I'm not overly concerned about the QB getting better. Baby steps at this point.

Right now all I want to see is a team that can handle the basic fundamentals of getting a play called and snapping the ball on time. Things that we did on my High School football team with no issues. Right now Kliff looks like he is running the Circus and his offense is full of a bunch of Clowns.

 

[football karma]

almost by default I resist the "fire the head coach" movements. The team is bad, something must be done, and firing the HC is "something". I remember all the "Arians is terrible and must go" posts.

But the reality is: Bidwill committed to the QB -- for better or worse -- through the 2024 season (he can be cut/traded post- 2024 with dead money, but cap savings. To move on from him means you are starting over anyway).

Its clear that whatever Kliff is doing isn't getting through to Kyler. Kyler has regressed significantly in playing the position. He rarely looks comfortable dropping back.

If the offense were putting up 31 points a game and the team was 6-2: the wasted time outs and constant WR screens would be an annoyance. So that stuff only matters at the margin.

While Hop has helped-- I think its papered over Kyler's play.

Unless something unusual happens and Kliff gets Kyler playing the position again -- offseason priority number 1 is finding the guy who can get Kyler (back) to playing at a high level. No idea who that could be.

 

[AZCB34]

We are not talking about a Rookie HC working with a Rookie QB all while installing a brand new offense here.

That's the Problem. It's year 4 and things are getting worse with simple game management issues. The HC is responsible for ensuring this team is ready to play. Clearly this team isn't ready to play and looks absolutely dysfunctional.

I feel like you are simplifying things too much as it relates to the HC role and I think Kliff was, is and always will be a horrible HC.

Position coaches play a huge role in making sure the players are ready to play. The HC is simply the CEO, although admittedly the one ultimately held responsible for the performance of the team. The fact Kliff thinks he can act as CEO and OC is laughable but at some point we have to acknowledge the role middle management (position coaches) play is what transpired on game day

 

[unseenaz]

I not overly concerned about the QB getting better. Baby steps at this point.

Right now all I want to see is a team that can handle the basic fundamentals of getting a play called and snapping the ball on time. Things that we did on my High School football team with no issues. Right now Kliff looks like he is running the Circus and his offense is full of a bunch of Clowns.

Baby steps? He's taken massive leaps backwards. He's in year 4 and regressing.

 

[DaHilg]

almost by default I resist the "fire the head coach" movements. The team is bad, something must be done, and firing the HC is "something". I remember all the "Arians is terrible and must go" posts.

But the reality is: Bidwill committed to the QB -- for better or worse -- through the 2024 season (he can be cut/traded post- 2024 with dead money, but cap savings. To move on from him means you are starting over anyway).

Its clear that whatever Kliff is doing isn't getting through to Kyler. Kyler has regressed significantly in playing the position. He rarely looks comfortable dropping back.

If the offense were putting up 31 points a game and the team was 6-2: the wasted time outs and constant WR screens would be an annoyance. So that stuff only matters at the margin.

While Hop has helped-- I think its papered over Kyler's play.

Unless something unusual happens and Kliff gets Kyler playing the position again -- offseason priority number 1 is finding the guy who can get Kyler (back) to playing at a high level. No idea who that could be.

Agree w all, but what exactly are we expecting Kyler to grasp? This isn’t NFL play calling. Name one team that runs the style of offense we are.

 

[BritCard]

I'm not overly concerned about the QB getting better. Baby steps at this point.

Right now all I want to see is a team that can handle the basic fundamentals of getting a play called and snapping the ball on time. Things that we did on my High School football team with no issues. Right now Kliff looks like he is running the Circus and his offense is full of a bunch of Clowns.

Can we clear this up once and for all. What do people think Kliff is doing on the delay of game calls?

On every single one of them the team is lined up and the ball is waiting to be snapped.

On every single one of them the play call is in before 15 seconds is on the clock. Normally well before.

The last 15 seconds are all Kyler's. The team is lined up and ready, it's just waiting on Kyler to call for the snap.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Can we clear this up once and for all. What do people think Kliff is doing on the delay of game calls?

On every single one of them the team is lined up and the ball is waiting to be snapped.

On every single one of them the play call is in before 15 seconds is on the clock. Normally well before.

The last 15 seconds are all Kyler's. The team is lined up and ready, it's just waiting on Kyler to call for the snap.

It's the coaches job to make sure this team is prepared and ready to go. Does this team look prepared? The coaching staff treated the preseason like it was a joke. Starters didn't see the field at all during preseason games. Practices were pretty laid back. It's all showing up on the field now. This should have been fixed in the preseason!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Can we clear this up once and for all. What do people think Kliff is doing on the delay of game calls?

On every single one of them the team is lined up and the ball is waiting to be snapped.

On every single one of them the play call is in before 15 seconds is on the clock. Normally well before.

The last 15 seconds are all Kyler's. The team is lined up and ready, it's just waiting on Kyler to call for the snap.

If the play call comes in at 15 seconds that means 4-5 seconds of call, so down to 10-ish seconds for the huddle to break, all the players to get lined up, kyler to make a read and adjustments, any motion (yeah I’m laughing as I typed that piece)…that typically takes 10 seconds or more. And that’s not counting personnel changes for packages wherein you have to allow the defense to change personnel. I can’t tell you how often I see them still in the huddle at the 8-10 second mark and I’m yelling “run to the line!”

I think your hatred of kyler and weirdly obsessive love for kliff has you clouded when you consider how little time getting a play in by 15 seconds really is.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's the coaches job to make sure this team is prepared and ready to go. Does this team look prepared? The coaching staff treated the preseason like it was a joke. Starters didn't see the field at all during preseason games. Practices were pretty laid back. It's all showing up on the field now. This should have been fixed in the preseason!

And we begin every game unprepared on defense and offense. The defense eventually stiffens and the offense lately has come alive later, but to begin every single game behind the eight ball is an indictment of kliffs preparation of the team overall.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

If the play call comes in at 15 seconds that means 4-5 seconds of call, so down to 10-ish seconds for the huddle to break, all the players to get lined up, kyler to make a read and adjustments, any motion (yeah I’m laughing as I typed that piece)…that typically takes 10 seconds or more. And that’s not counting personnel changes for packages wherein you have to allow the defense to change personnel. I can’t tell you how often I see them still in the huddle at the 8-10 second mark and I’m yelling “run to the line!”

I think your hatred of kyler and weirdly obsessive love for kliff has you clouded when you consider how little time getting a play in by 15 seconds really is.

And leaves no time for audibles or correcting formation mistakes.

Anyone who has watched football can see this team is really poorly coached and the QB is playing poorly. It’s really mindboggling how people keep defending one of the above. Even weirder is those who will go back and defend Kliff’s tenure here (second half of season meltdowns every year) and at Tech (fired by his own alma mater after going 19-35 in the Big 12) as somehow being an acceptable track record.

 

[kerouac9]

And leaves no time for audibles or correcting formation mistakes.

Anyone who has watched football can see this team is really poorly coached and the QB is playing poorly. It’s really mindboggling how people keep defending one of the above. Even weirder is those who will go back and defend Kliff’s tenure here (second half of season meltdowns every year) and at Tech (fired by his own alma mater after going 19-35 in the Big 12) as somehow being an acceptable track record.

Let's think back to when Jared Goff was a borderline MVP candidate. The story at the time was that McVay was basically talking Goff through his reads AT THE LINE until the mic cut off.

It just seems like we're struggling to get a lot of little things right. Substitutions, the specific playcall, making adjustments, etc. It's not good -- that's the bottom line. I think it's almost impossible to figure out what the problem is from watching on TV and difficult to figure out when watching live in the stadium.

If anyone wants to enjoy themselves by running a stopwatch between plays at Sunday's game, I'd love to know more.

 

[GatorAZ]

According to Slow News Day, Kliff is a minus favorite to be the next coach fired. Wow.

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Another embarrassing home loss to a division opponent in a stadium dominated by 12’s might actually get Bidwill to pull the trigger.

 

[Stout]

I'm not overly concerned about the QB getting better. Baby steps at this point.

Right now all I want to see is a team that can handle the basic fundamentals of getting a play called and snapping the ball on time. Things that we did on my High School football team with no issues. Right now Kliff looks like he is running the Circus and his offense is full of a bunch of Clowns.

Wow, why not? I'm not saying the rest of your points aren't valid, but our QB has made more than baby steps in his progress--backwards.

 

[BritCard]

It's the coaches job to make sure this team is prepared and ready to go. Does this team look prepared? The coaching staff treated the preseason like it was a joke. Starters didn't see the field at all during preseason games. Practices were pretty laid back. It's all showing up on the field now. This should have been fixed in the preseason!

Its Kyler's job to know the play calls and get the snap off in time. Some things you shouldn't have to coach in a $45m quarterback.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

This board will implode when Kyler retires after this monster contract and moves to Cali to play baseball.

When he's 30? hahahahaha What a joke.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Not sure what age has to do with it. The point was QBs playing well below their normal level.

Kyler is currently on track to be worse than his rookie season after demanding to get paid as a top 3 player.

Jalen Hurts worked with Tom House in the offseason. Allen worked out with Palmer. Justin Herbert worked with a footwork coach.

Meanwhile our 4th year QB has never done that and is playing at a rookie level.

The future is bright.

Do Hurts, Allen and Herbert all have father's who are well known QB coaches? To say Murray doesn't work with anybody in the offseason is just a guess on your part...Reality is, we have no idea. Very little of his private life, other than gaming, is made well known. He's quiet and introverted (nothing wrong with either). Even during covid, when Brady and Dak were making headlines by organizing practices against the leagues wishes, we were wondering why Murray wasn't doing the same...then it came out a week or 2 after the fact, that he indeed hosted the offense in Texas (or Oklahoma) and everyone kept quiet about it, including Fitz.

 

[blindseyed]

Ya know both things can be true, KK sucks (always has) as a HC and KM is regressing and is just an avg QB, If that. This experiment is not getting any better and KK isn't going anywhere because of the extension and he's not going to suddenly improve, he is who he is. This season is a precursor to the next several seasons, just get used to the stench now

 

[BullheadCardFan]

It's the coaches job to make sure this team is prepared and ready to go. Does this team look prepared? The coaching staff treated the preseason like it was a joke. Starters didn't see the field at all during preseason games. Practices were pretty laid back. It's all showing up on the field now. This should have been fixed in the preseason!

And we begin every game unprepared on defense and offense. The defense eventually stiffens and the offense lately has come alive later, but to begin every single game behind the eight ball is an indictment of kliffs preparation of the team overall.

It's beyond me that this team is so unprepared for every game

Like they don't do any prep and try to play catch up as the game goes on

I was an advocate for the starters getting some playing time in the preseason and took some flax

 

[Garthshort]

Can we clear this up once and for all. What do people think Kliff is doing on the delay of game calls?

On every single one of them the team is lined up and the ball is waiting to be snapped.

On every single one of them the play call is in before 15 seconds is on the clock. Normally well before.

The last 15 seconds are all Kyler's. The team is lined up and ready, it's just waiting on Kyler to call for the snap.

I like KK, but what I think he's doing wrong is trying to be both a HC and OC. For instance, trying to decide whether to challenge a play that just went against his team (HC). That takes away the time that he should be spending in selecting and calling a play (OC). Two jobs is one Too much.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I’ve said it a zillion times. What qualifications did KK have to be named HC of an Nfl franchise in the 1st place?

He never even coached in the league and was a big loser in college. That he’s awful should have been expected not a surprise.

He has zero leadership skills. How he got an extension is beyond flabbergasting.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm surprised this thread is only 37 pages.

Is Kliff blowing timeouts to keep posts from appearing?

 

[TheCardFan]

I'm surprised this thread is only 37 pages.

Is Kliff blowing timeouts to keep posts from appearing?

It's because people keep creating new threads with the same message.

C'mon people - this thread could be epic one day!

 

[BritCard]

Do Hurts, Allen and Herbert all have father's who are well known QB coaches? To say Murray doesn't work with anybody in the offseason is just a guess on your part...Reality is, we have no idea. Very little of his private life, other than gaming, is made well known. He's quiet and introverted (nothing wrong with either). Even during covid, when Brady and Dak were making headlines by organizing practices against the leagues wishes, we were wondering why Murray wasn't doing the same...then it came out a week or 2 after the fact, that he indeed hosted the offense in Texas (or Oklahoma) and everyone kept quiet about it, including Fitz.

His father is not a well know QB coach. He coached high school kids. The only QB he's ever coached (at high school age) that made it to the NFL is David Blough and as far as I can tell he hasn't coached anyone for about 6 years.

If he was training with anyone in the offseason we would know. He has an agent, he has PR people, they know the league wide image that Kyler has as a lazy gamer who doesn;t study film. Go on twitter and search for Kyler Murray and all you get is gaming and short memes. Usually mixed with some comment about not studying.

So I can 100% guarantee that if Kyler was working with a specialist coach in the offseason we would know. Plus, he wouldn't suck so much.

 

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This is just insane that this is still a problem in year four.

Other teams get the play in with plenty of time to not just get to the line and get the play off, but actually give the QB time to set up and look at what the defense is presenting. There is almost never a chance For Kyler to do that and after four years, that just screams communication breakdown between coach and QB.

Four years and we’re still trying to figure out how to get the play call faster. And everyone involved somehow got another FIVE year contract to figure it out.

Pathetic.