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Me neither. But the “we gotta win now crowd” woulda loved his signing

I'm not sure there is “we gotta win now crowd,” although there appears to be a gotta lose crowd.

Going after Blake Griffin had some logic coming into the season but going after Millsap made no sense at all.

Once the Suns started the season the wheels came off quickly. Bledsoe wanting out sealed the Suns fate for the season.

Now the Suns should play their youth and make any trades that make sense such as moving Monroe or Chandler.

If the Suns win or lose with their youth, so be it.
 

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I'm not sure there is “we gotta win now crowd,” although there appears to be a gotta lose crowd.

Going after Blake Griffin had some logic coming into the season but going after Millsap made no sense at all.

Once the Suns started the season the wheels came off quickly. Bledsoe wanting out sealed the Suns fate for the season.

Now the Suns should play their youth and make any trades that make sense such as moving Monroe or Chandler.

If the Suns win or lose with their youth, so be it.
Sealed the fate? Since getting rid of him the team has improved considerably.
 

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Sealed the fate? Since getting rid of him the team has improved considerably.

When I say sealed the Suns fate for the season, the Suns had to realize they were not going to compete for a winning record or playoff spot with Ulis and James at PG.

I agree the Suns are better off without Bledsoe and his contract. I always feared the Suns might pay him the max money he wanted.
 

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Me neither. But the “we gotta win now crowd” woulda loved his signing

Who is part of this "we gotta win now" crowd? I've seen that mentioned a few times now but I don't think anyone here is saying we need to be making a playoff push this year. There are a lot of people though that want the team to be competitive and develop our youth. I haven't seen anyone suggest making moves that are shortsighted that would only help the team this year though. Most posters here value player development over everything else. The only suggestions that would help us as a team now would be bringing in a starting caliber point guard because this team lacks one and that would help our young players on the court a lot. Even in that scenario though I don't see anyone thinking we should trade assets for a player who would only help this season.

That crowd doesn't want to see the team be as low they were during the first 3 games of the season, getting blown out by 40+ points in 2 of the 3 games and also making Lonzo Ball look like who Lavar hyped him up to be. I know I don't want to see the team go back to that but as things are going now I don't see that happening since Triano is a more than competent NBA head coach. That crowd doesn't want to see the team make shortsighted moves in which the only purpose would be to collect more ping pong balls, like trading Chandler for distant 2nd rounders or a player we can waive. Veterans like Chandler are needed to help our youngsters develop on and off the court. He's a positive influence and wants to be here while not being a total waste of playing time either. We don't have any young players he's taking minutes away from at Center so there's no harm in keeping him around. We're the 2nd youngest team in the league even with Chandler and Dudley on the roster as 2 of the only veterans on the squad outside of Monroe. You can't replace them with D-Leaguers and expect our young players to be happy the front office is actively trying to get the team to lose more this year so the team has a higher draft selection.
 

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I think a lot of us would be happy to see the Suns make playoffs, but I would be surprised if there was one person who'd support a short-sighted move that would sacrifice the future. My memory may be off, but I recall a few of us being supportive of the Suns going after Blake Griffin, but not many people supported the Milsap move. Millsap would have been a short-sighted signing. I think the "win-now crowd" really wants to see the team do well and see the youngsters develop. We don't want our team to be among the worst teams in the league.
 

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Count me in to the group that wants a championship. Signing Blake or Millsap would have never garnished that. Never.

We need to make smart decisions that help Booker flourish. He's our best bet at winning it all.
 

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How good is that coaching staff at developing players? Outside of Ingram, who have they developed? Kuzma appears to be ready out-of-the-box, so he shouldn't count.

You have to wonder what Ball would be like with a coach like Popovich.

A team with Popovich as its coach would never have drafted Ball in the first place.
 
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The Rockets are up nearly 50 on Denver in the 4th... good for Mike D!

In related news... despite being up 50 the Rockets have used 7 players to play 206 of the 210 minutes of the game... what the hell Mike D?

That guy seemingly never learns a damn thing.
 

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The Thunder seemed to really click against the Warriors tonight. If they meet in the playoffs, I could see OKC taking them out. I'm not saying they will but they stand a great chance, probably the best chance of any Western conference team.
 

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The Rockets are up nearly 50 on Denver in the 4th... good for Mike D!

In related news... despite being up 50 the Rockets have used 7 players to play 206 of the 210 minutes of the game... what the hell Mike D?

That guy seemingly never learns a damn thing.
SPOL. Seven players or less. Go for the spectacular until they drop. One word to describe D'Antoni? Short-sighted. (That's hyphenated.) :)
 
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The Rockets are up nearly 50 on Denver in the 4th... good for Mike D!

In related news... despite being up 50 the Rockets have used 7 players to play 206 of the 210 minutes of the game... what the hell Mike D?

That guy seemingly never learns a damn thing.


Yeah I seen this movie I know how it ends...Spurs in 6

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To the fans that wanted the Nets pick from Cleveland.....it looks it may be included in a TT/DJ trade.
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The Thunder seemed to really click against the Warriors tonight. If they meet in the playoffs, I could see OKC taking them out. I'm not saying they will but they stand a great chance, probably the best chance of any Western conference team.


I didn't see the game but I think the Rockets are the best matchup against the Warriors. If Kawhi were healthy I'd consider the Spurs too but it sounds like his injury is not healing nearly as fast as expected.
 

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I think the Thunder and Spurs match up best with GS. The Rockets are the same olé D'Antoni teams, you really want to get into a shoot out with a team with Durant, Curry and Thompson. Plus Houston will be dead tired going into the playoffs.
 

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The Cav's weren't willing to trade TT for Carmelo in the offseason now they're considering packaging him with the Nets pick for DeAndre, who is a free agent at seasons end. That pick doesn't hold the value some expected. If we still had Bledsoe to trade I think they'd consider a swap now since D-Rose may not return this year. That would have opened up more time for Bledsoe now and whenever IT returns. Of course Thomas is also a free agent this offseason and will be looking for a huge payday which the Cav's wouldn't need to pay if they had brought in Bledsoe. They would have had 4 Rich Paul clients then, making up 4/5 of their starting 5 with Bledsoe, Jr Smith, Lebron, and Tristan Thompson. Having 3 of his clients is more than enough and I think adding another might have been more than they wanted to deal with, regardless of what it would have cost to bring Bledsoe in.
 

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The Cav's weren't willing to trade TT for Carmelo in the offseason now they're considering packaging him with the Nets pick for DeAndre, who is a free agent at seasons end. That pick doesn't hold the value some expected. If we still had Bledsoe to trade I think they'd consider a swap now since D-Rose may not return this year. That would have opened up more time for Bledsoe now and whenever IT returns. Of course Thomas is also a free agent this offseason and will be looking for a huge payday which the Cav's wouldn't need to pay if they had brought in Bledsoe. They would have had 4 Rich Paul clients then, making up 4/5 of their starting 5 with Bledsoe, Jr Smith, Lebron, and Tristan Thompson. Having 3 of his clients is more than enough and I think adding another might have been more than they wanted to deal with, regardless of what it would have cost to bring Bledsoe in.

Wha? TT is an albatross of a contract for a role player, which means the value for the Brooklyn pick is a multiple time All-Star, First Team NBA Center who’s in the prime of his career.

Bledsoe STILL isn’t anything close in value to Jordan and I have no clue how you think somehow he’d get the deal done for that pick... especially as it’s seemed like LeBron was good enough to get them through the beginning of the season until IT got back.

And if they’re able to make that trade, they would be:

IT
Smith
LeBron
Love
Jordan

Which is a hell of a lot better than

IT
Bledsoe
LeBron
Love
TT

The first team presents major size problems for GS, with a defensive anchor in the middle, while the second team leaves them completely vulnerable on D.
 
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I didn't see the game but I think the Rockets are the best matchup against the Warriors. If Kawhi were healthy I'd consider the Spurs too but it sounds like his injury is not healing nearly as fast as expected.

I think the Thunder and Spurs match up best with GS. The Rockets are the same olé D'Antoni teams, you really want to get into a shoot out with a team with Durant, Curry and Thompson. Plus Houston will be dead tired going into the playoffs.

Finito points out why Houston vs Golden State isn't a very good matchup. They'd be a great matchup in a 3 game series but Golden State's depth is too much for D'Antoni. Golden State also has enough defense that the Rockets would shoot themselves in the foot by trying to outscore them because GS would get stops and then score unmatched points while they're running.

Westbrook played great against Golden State though and now that he doesn't need to carry his team he's able to focus on particular aspects of his game he excels at and allow George and Melo to do their thing also, which makes a big difference overall. He was actually playing good defense, which surprised me some. The lineup of Westbook, Roberson, George, Melo, and Adams matches up really well against the Warriors, even when they had Iggy out there in place of Zaza. I'd like OKC's chances better if they still had Kanter but Adams played really well the other night. He's not the offensive player that Kanter was but with Westbrook, George, and Melo you don't really need more offense. I do wonder how their depth will stack up against the Warriors in 7 games but I think Westbrook would view beating KD like winning a title and this year he has the roster that allows them to at least put up one hell of a fight. The rosters have changed but OKC did have a 3-1 lead over the Warriors before Durant switched teams. Westbrook taking the next step in becoming a superstar along with Carmelo and George though makes this year's Thunder as dangerous as the Thunder were that year. Donavon is a good coach who doesn't get enough credit for being a good coach since he's had top 5 players since he's been there. This win will give them confidence for the next time they meet and more importantly it will allow Westbrook to trust his teammates a bit more because he can't do it alone, this year he doesn't need to.

Of course Golden State has the better offense overall but OKC has better scorers. They managed to keep the pace down and keep Golden State from taking the shots they wanted and getting in rhythm. Curry is the best shooter in the NBA but he's not that good of a scorer and that's what OKC tried to force him into being. Roberson was able to guard him with George on KD, and Roberson could smother Curry behind the 3 point line to keep him from a good look and then played him tight enough that he couldn't drive and score like KD does. George can guard Durant as well as anyone can but he made it possible for Roberson to guard Curry which was a big difference compared to last year. Westbrook played like a scoring PG instead of a guy trying to take over the game single handedly which was different, like he was 2 years ago. I caught about 3/4 of the game and OKC is the first team I've seen build a big lead over the Warriors that appeared safe, they just matched up with them really well. They were able to trade baskets when needed but also do so a bit slower that kept the Warriors setting the pace. The Warriors can score in bunches quickly but that didn't seem possible with how OKC played them. It wasn't a grind it out style but they worked the clock enough to keep GS from running that much. They meet again February 6th, February 24th, and April 6th, both games in February will be in Oakland so we'll see how OKC does on the road.
 

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