The 2018-2019 Around the NBA thread

[Mainstreet]

Yeah, that's the way I see it. I thought this was carved in stone the moment he signed with Rich Paul. He's going to the Lakers unless Lebron has a reason he shouldn't. In which case, I'd expect some place like New York to raise both Anthony and Paul's brand.

Maybe the Suns and whole list of teams are going to be the modern day Washington Generals.

The huge money market teams will control the top players most of the time unless there is a stroke of luck.

It's hard to see the Spurs getting back to the top anymore or well run teams like the Jazz.

Even when the smaller market teams get the top players, perhaps it's inevitable they become a farm team for the glamour markets.

 

[AsUdUdE]

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This could get REALLY interesting....

 

[AsUdUdE]

Using the word "established" shrinks the potential pool to just a handful of teams. Phoenix, Orlando, maybe New York could have interest.

If Davis landing in LA is inevitable, landing ball for a reasonable price would be a nice consolation prize

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

could we make a reasonable offer without Booker or Ayton?

2019 pick unprotected
2021 pick top 3 protected
2020 top 7 protected Bucks pick
Josh Jackson
Elie Okobo
Tj Warren
Ryan Anderson

for

Anthony Davis
and salary filler that is not going to be on the cap (Mirotic or Randle)

We would have only Davis, Booker, Ayton and Bridges under contract and 33M$ caproom.

And we would lose Davis after a year. No thanks.

 

[Mainstreet]

I guess the NBA is going to follow an Anthony Davis trade very closely.

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[AsUdUdE]

I guess the NBA is going to follow an Anthony Davis trade very closely.

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This is a very interesting article written last time the Lakers were involved with Tampering with some history and example of forms of punishment. It also talks about the scope of investigation they may go.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20402343/2017-nba-tampering-faq

 

[sdscard4]

I prefer the whole coaching staff gone. I don't mind a trade but clearly the issues are horrible horrible coaching.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think we are at the bottom of the list, tied with just about every other team. I'd be beyond shocked if he went anywhere other than where Rich Paul has already decided to send him. I'm assuming that's the Lakers.

Yep I wonder if the NBA is waiting on this like with CP3 and if/when it happens they're going to step in and block it because of the obvious connection with Bron, Paul and Klutch sports? The NBA has kind of sent out trial balloons saying "we're not stupid we see what you're doing knock it off", it will be interesting to see how far the NBA lets it go.

 

[GatorAZ]

Yep I wonder if the NBA is waiting on this like with CP3 and if/when it happens they're going to step in and block it because of the obvious connection with Bron, Paul and Klutch sports? The NBA has kind of sent out trial balloons saying "we're not stupid we see what you're doing knock it off", it will be interesting to see how far the NBA lets it go.

Wasn’t the NBA running the Hornets to some extent during the CP3 fiasco? I remember the Laker trade talk and Mark Cuban called Stern or something to shoot it down. What’s funny is Laker fans complaining even though they still wouldn’t have been anywhere close to contenders. They were banking on a Kobe-CP3-Bynum big-3 and Bynum lost his mind around that time and was much worse than Gasol (who wouldn’t have been there if the trade went thru). Kobe had never really played with a ball dominant PG it was a bad fit.

 

[elindholm]

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This could get REALLY interesting....

Oh god. It's like a soap opera where all of the future episodes have already been written, but no one has leaked them yet.

 

[elindholm]

Wasn’t the NBA running the Hornets to some extent during the CP3 fiasco? I remember the Laker trade talk and Mark Cuban called Stern or something to shoot it down. What’s funny is Laker fans complaining even though they still wouldn’t have been anywhere close to contenders. They were banking on a Kobe-CP3-Bynum big-3 and Bynum lost his mind around that time and was much worse than Gasol (who wouldn’t have been there if the trade went thru).

You know what's hilarious about Bynum? He's still only 31.

 

[slinslin]

Lonzo is always injured, can't shoot and is not a good dribbler, bad in the halfcourt.

For all the hype of him as a passer he averaged only 7 assists in 34mpg last year and 5 this year because he is not much of a playmaker in the halfcourt at all.

I am not too excited about getting him. Price would have to be right to take that gamble.


I dont even think Lonzo is as good a defender as some people want to claim he is because of his defensive advanced stats which are inflated because of how good a rebounder he is a for a guard and how bad offensively he is.

 

[slinslin]

And we would lose Davis after a year. No thanks.

We could recruit Kyrie, Kemba or Durant with a core of Booker, Ayton and Davis and if Davis leaves he would pass on the super-max which only we could offer.

 

[taz02]

There is no way Davis is telling the Pelicans, "I want out of this mess, I want to be traded to the suns"....He is going to be a Laker.

Pelicans have won twice as many games as us. They are the disaster we striving to become.....

 

[Hoop Head]

We could recruit Kyrie, Kemba or Durant with a core of Booker, Ayton and Davis and if Davis leaves he would pass on the super-max which only we could offer.

The supermax is something only the Pelicans can offer. Only the players original team can offer that, not one that acquires him. We'd have his bird rights but leaving New Orleans would mean he's no longer eligible for the supermax. That's why Cousins was upset he ended being dealt to the Pelicans when he was, he thought Sacramento were giving him the supermax but instead they took away that opportunity. Kawhi is another that left the supermax on the table when he was traded from San Antonio.

 

[slinslin]

The supermax is something only the Pelicans can offer. Only the players original team can offer that, not one that acquires him. We'd have his bird rights but leaving New Orleans would mean he's no longer eligible for the supermax. That's why Cousins was upset he ended being dealt to the Pelicans when he was, he thought Sacramento were giving him the supermax but instead they took away that opportunity. Kawhi is another that left the supermax on the table when he was traded from San Antonio.

ah yes you are half-right

Only the players original team can offer that, not one that acquires him

As long as a player is still on his rookie deal he remains eligible for the super max. If the Suns traded Booker before the deadline he would be eligible to sign the super max with his new team if he ever qualifies. See James Harden with Houston.

With bird rights Davis would still leave a lot of guaranteed money on the table.


Anyhow..

I would be ok with getting Lonzo for a reasonable price and put our focus on getting a PF (Zion Williamson, Aaron Gordon, Tobias Harris, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, Nikola Mirotic, Julius Randle or whoever)

 

[slinslin]

If I was running the Pelicans I would not trade Davis to LA.

He is under contract for another year and the Lakers HAVE to use their capspace this year. Lebron's window is now, they are on the verge of losing this year they can't conserve their capspace another year.

Keep him and lets see if he leaves the supermax from the Pelicans on the table in 2020 when his other options are whoever lost out in free agency this year.

 

[devilalum]

If you’re the Suns why would you get involved in a trade that would make the Lakers dominant for the next 10 years?


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[elindholm]

If you’re the Suns why would you get involved in a trade that would make the Lakers dominant for the next 10 years?

Davis alone won't make a team dominant for ten years; otherwise the Pelicans wouldn't suck right now.

But also, the next six years of titles (at least) will be won by teams other than the Suns. Do we really care who those other teams are? These super teams aren't getting formed at the expense of the Suns; the Suns are going to suck regardless, and how the rest of the league's talent sorts itself out doesn't matter much.

 

[devilalum]

Davis alone won't make a team dominant for ten years; otherwise the Pelicans wouldn't suck right now.

But also, the next six years of titles (at least) will be won by teams other than the Suns. Do we really care who those other teams are? These super teams aren't getting formed at the expense of the Suns; the Suns are going to suck regardless, and how the rest of the league's talent sorts itself out doesn't matter much.

Davis being in LA will finally attract free agents. If they get Davis they will get another star player. And when Lebron retires another star will take his place.

This is what ESPN wants. This what LA wants. This what the league wants.

I don’t get it. I don’t like it. But this is what I see.


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[ColdPickleNachos]

Davis being in LA will finally attract free agents. If they get Davis they will get another star player. And when Lebron retires another star will take his place.

This is what ESPN wants. This what LA wants. This what the league wants.

I don’t get it. I don’t like it. But this is what I see.


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The Kyrie-LeBron make-up tour happened right before Rich Paul announced AD wants out. I would not be shocked to see that trio in Lakerland next year.

 

[devilalum]

The Kyrie-LeBron make-up tour happened right before Rich Paul announced AD wants out. I would not be shocked to see that trio in Lakerland next year.

Lebron wouldn’t have signed up for the Lake Show if they didn’t have a solid plan. Nosferatu can say whatever he wants about policing collusion. Lakers/Celtics finals equals huge dollars for the league.

YUGE


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[Folster]

If I was running the Pelicans I would not trade Davis to LA.

He is under contract for another year and the Lakers HAVE to use their capspace this year. Lebron's window is now, they are on the verge of losing this year they can't conserve their capspace another year.

Keep him and lets see if he leaves the supermax from the Pelicans on the table in 2020 when his other options are whoever lost out in free agency this year.

This! I have said this multiple times. All the Pelicans have to do is hold onto Davis until free agency. The Lakers will be forced to give up on Davis and pursue other free agents or risk wasting another year with LeBron who will turn 35 next season. Once they use their cap space on other players, Davis will have no leverage to get to LA as 2020 free agency will not be an option.

 

[AzStevenCal]

This! I have said this multiple times. All the Pelicans have to do is hold onto Davis until free agency. The Lakers will be forced to give up on Davis and pursue other free agents or risk wasting another year with LeBron who will turn 35 next season. Once they use their cap space on other players, Davis will have no leverage to get to LA as 2020 free agency will not be an option.

And what do you think Rich Paul will do? I'd bet that he'd take a very hard line with the Pelicans with a "trade him now or we will let every team know that he will only sign with the Lakers". It's not like it hasn't been done before and while some may want to trade for Davis hoping to change his mind - I can't see anyone volunteering to enter that mess knowing how willing Rich is to play hard ball with his client hanging in the balance. Davis has as much leverage as he needs IMO.

 

[Ronin]

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One team I didn't mention on the podcast yesterday, but I keep seeing mentioned as a potential Davis suitor: the Bucks. I just don't see it. They already owe two future firsts and I'm not sure any of their non-Giannis players fit what the Pelicans will/should want.