The Air Raid offense

[RugbyMuffin]

Bengals, Rams, Cardinals........

Packers?

Looks like Andy Reid's coaching tree is tearing up the league offensively more than the Air Raid.

Lots of football still to play, but it is concerning to see Air Raid type teams not scoring more than 20pts this weekend.....the Packers did score 27

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[Covert Rain]

Bengals, Rams, Cardinals........

Packers?

Looks like Andy Reid's coaching tree is tearing up the league offensively more than the Air Raid.

Lots of football still to play, but it is concerning to see Air Raid type teams not scoring more than 20pts this weekend.....the Packers did score 27

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I have not looked that up but wondering if those teams are struggling in the red zone. I am tired of seeing spread formations at the goal. Either they have zero confidence in Johnson or the person calling the plays is the problem.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

This isn't the Big 12. NFL defenders are far more athletic and coaches have much more time to scheme against a fairly simplistic offense.

 

[DVontel]

None of those teams run Air Raid. The Rams(McVay), Bengals(Zac), & Packers(LaFluer) runs a ZBS/WCO that features a lot of rollouts & play action.


The Chiefs run way more Air Raid concepts. They love spreading the personal in all different kinds of formations & packages. What Kliff runs is way more closer to Reid than McVay. The problem is we don’t have the OLine nor firepower to match up with KC.


I don’t think you even know what the Air Raid even is.

 

[Russ Smith]

The Rams, Bengals and Packers run the air raid? The Rams throw the ball often yes, but 8-10 times less per game than we are right now. The Packers not even close, Kyler threw as many passes in his first 2 games as Rodgers has thrown in 3. LaFleur worked for McVay so I guess if you think McVay is air raid then you think LaFleur is but neither is. Cincy is throwing the ball a ton, nearly as much as us, but Taylor is not an air raid coach he worked briefly for McVay so I guess that's where that's coming from.

Of the 3 Cincy is most comparable I guess because of the sheer number of passes.

 

[Russ Smith]

None of those teams run Air Raid. The Rams(McVay), Bengals(Zac), & Packers(LaFluer) runs a ZBS/WCO that features a lot of rollouts & play action.


The Chiefs run way more Air Raid concepts. They love spreading the personal in all different kinds of formations & packages. What Kliff runs is way more closer to Reid than McVay. The problem is we don’t have the OLine nor firepower to match up with KC.


I don’t think you even know what the Air Raid even is.

Yep almost half of Cincy's snaps are under C, almost none of ours are. I heard something yesterday that said we had more snaps with 5 wr's(including DJ split out I assume) than effectively the rest of the NFL combined after 2 weeks.

What we're running is not something anybody is really running. the Chiefs are more similar but still much more traditional.

I fully believe Kliff is going to have to make major adjustments to his offense if he wants to be an NFL HC for more than 2 seasons. I think they'll give him this year to figure that out but if he's still doing this next year without adjusting I think he'll be a 2 and out coach. He's very smart I think he can adapt I hope he's not too sunk in on I want to prove my system works I hope he'll be willing to change things.

 

[gamebird98]

Probably still running the Vanilla version of it....soon, we will see the Air Raid.

 

[BW52]

Sucks.Get a real offense and use the freaking TE.

 

[SoonerLou]

NFC West QBR

Russ 73
Jimmy G 49
Kyler 47
Goff 38


Kyle Shanahan and McVay are viewed as offensive geniuses and their QBs aren't off to great starts either. They are 3-0 primarily because they have great defenses. Easier to find your groove later in the season when you're winning.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I don’t think you even know what the Air Raid even is.

Fair enough.

Are we the only team?



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[RugbyMuffin]

Sucks.Get a real offense and use the freaking TE.

This IS the Cardinals offense.

"Real" or not, this is what the Cardinals are investing everything in.

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[bojack]

We have no threat to make them pay with the run for dropping into a coverage that makes this easier to defend. Heck I don't see even see motion as often as you might think because I think there is no need because we know the D is doing because they know what we are doing, lol.

OU runs a hybrid type of air raid where they have a power run game and a lot of 12 personnel. This along with tempo helps them create mismatches and keep teams off balance by running and passing without subbing so the D can't sub.

I honestly think KKs Air Raid on steroids is not going to be effective in the NFL. If he adjusts to a hybrid style I think he can do make it work. If it was so potent as a mainstay teams wouldn't be using concepts but would be going to the extreme like KK. To say an NFL team uses Air Raid concepts and imply it is anything comparable to what KK is doing is like comparing an Accord and Ferrari because they both have tires, an engine and a steering wheel. Every offense has overlaps with some other offense.

Chiefs do it more methodical. They are pass heavy, they do stretch the field and both directions but they also use a lot of different personnel groupings and protection schemes and also prevent the D from cheating against the pass by making them pay on the ground.

What I see out of a KK is a basic, one dimensional attack that relies on showing your hand and the receivers have to beat the protection often enough to keep the drive alive all while our QB is under duress - partly because our Oline is less than stellar, part because they don't have to respect the run and KM seemingly does not know how to use a pocket or setup pass protection.

 

[DVontel]

Fair enough.

Are we the only team?



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Yea.

OT:

Your guy cannot stay healthy

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Hopefully he bounces back.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Yea.

OT:

Your guy cannot stay healthy

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Hopefully he bounces back.

Whelp. Thats that then. The Cardinals are the only Air Raid team.

We can only wait and see.


Hooker is hurt again?

My guy seems to be quite injury prone indeed.



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[SoonerLou]

I think the troubling thing is how we didn't build around Kyler and the Air Raid during the draft (at least as of now)

Probably should have drafted Olineman high/better wrs (unless Andy/Hakeem are being held back)

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[SoonerLou]

We have no threat to make them pay with the run for dropping into a coverage that makes this easier to defend. Heck I don't see even see motion as often as you might think because I think there is no need because we know the D is doing because they know what we are doing, lol.

OU runs a hybrid type of air raid where they have a power run game and a lot of 12 personnel. This along with tempo helps them create mismatches and keep teams off balance by running and passing without subbing so the D can't sub.

I honestly think KKs Air Raid on steroids is not going to be effective in the NFL. If he adjusts to a hybrid style I think he can do make it work. If it was so potent as a mainstay teams wouldn't be using concepts but would be going to the extreme like KK. To say an NFL team uses Air Raid concepts and imply it is anything comparable to what KK is doing is like comparing an Accord and Ferrari because they both have tires, an engine and a steering wheel. Every offense has overlaps with some other offense.

Chiefs do it more methodical. They are pass heavy, they do stretch the field and both directions but they also use a lot of different personnel groupings and protection schemes and also prevent the D from cheating against the pass by making them pay on the ground.

What I see out of a KK is a basic, one dimensional attack that relies on showing your hand and the receivers have to beat the protection often enough to keep the drive alive all while our QB is under duress - partly because our Oline is less than stellar, part because they don't have to respect the run and KM seemingly does not know how to use a pocket or setup pass protection.

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In regards to the last part. You're forgetting that Kliff even said there is no adjustment for pass protection in 5 wide. Its simply just Kyler using his mobility. Thats the adjustment.

What Kyler can do or at least attempt to do is climb up in the pocket and throw over the middle of the field. I don't know if all the batted passes against the Lions spooked him. However, he needs to start stepping up and throwing because teams forcing him to move up (if he wants to be succssful) instead sometimes he still tries to run outside or isnt comfortable moving in the middle.

Also the Chiefs don't have nothing but explosive wrs. Honestly Fitz should be the least explosive/big play player on our team (just killing teams over the middle, etc etc) Instead we're counting on him to do that and be the big play guy.

 

[SoonerLou]

It should be noted that Patrick Mahomes had his issues with the Air Raid offense at Tech. There's a reason he didn't win many games and that scouts had him projected as a late 1st rounder. You find yourself not being comfortable in the pocket cause you're under constant duress.