The Ayton Plan

[Covert Rain]

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Thank you. Detroit is still much higher than I would have thought. All the rumors have them backing off.

 

[Folster]

Thank you. Detroit is still much higher than I would have thought. All the rumors have them backing off.

They probably got a lot of action on Brooklyn after the Kyrie news and adjusted the odds.

 

[Folster]

Brooklyn +500 now. Detroit odds falling to +300

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[Folster]

+400 now. Money must be pouring in on Brooklyn. Detroit +350.

 

[Folster]

LOL! Brooklyn +300 now.

 

[Covert Rain]

LOL! Brooklyn +300 now.

That's moving FAST.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This weekend, Someone I trust who has some inside knowledge told me he wants to play elsewhere and it would take more than $$$ to get his buy in again. Take that FWIW.

What constitutes “more than $$$?” Would Monty or jones need to go? Any players?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Can’t help but think about what Colangelo would’ve done in this situation. My guess is he would’ve paid DA last offseason so this isn’t a thing.

For sure. With how desperate jerry perpetually was for a center there’s no way he wouldn’t have paid him last year.

 

[Finito]

For sure. With how desperate jerry perpetually was for a center there’s no way he wouldn’t have paid him last year.

Jerry always took care of guys. I think it was Manning that came here on a handshake deal and Jerry still paid him even after he got hurt because he said he would.

He was a stand up guy all the way

 

[Sparky16]

Bridges is getting an escalating 21-25K per year.

wasnt Bridges 1st team Defense? All the DA appologist claim DA defense is unquestioned

That's moving FAST.

God I hope Bridges in not included..... Ayton, filler (Crowder & Craig or Shamet) and a couple of 1st. Durant has a lot of miles and recent injury history that should be used as leverage to not gut the youth on the Suns

 

[Folster]

wasnt Bridges 1st team Defense? All the DA appologist claim DA defense is unquestioned

God I hope Bridges in not included..... Ayton, filler (Crowder & Craig or Shamet) and a couple of 1st. Durant has a lot of miles and recent injury history that should be used as leverage to not gut the youth on the Suns

That would be a dream, but we'd at the minimum have to give up Ayton and one of Cam J and Bridges. They'll want both and likely insist on Bridges.

 

[TJ]

Jerry always took care of guys. I think it was Manning that came here on a handshake deal and Jerry still paid him even after he got hurt because he said he would.

He was a stand up guy all the way

Yeah.

 

[Mainstreet]

If the Suns are going to have to give up something in the order of 3 first round picks to get Durant plus rotation players, one has to ask the question what could the Suns get in return if they attached those picks to expiring contracts and added to the core they already have.

It should be more than enough to get John Collins.

I'm not sure the Suns selling their soul to get Durant is the best option.

 

[TJ]

What constitutes “more than $$$?” Would Monty or jones need to go? Any players?

Expanded role in the offense

 

[Mainstreet]

Expanded role in the offense

That might require a new coach.

 

[Folster]

Lost in the Brooklyn hype, SA is now +500 up from +900 earlier.

 

[Chaplin]

Expanded role in the offense

His role would have been expanded if he was more aggressive. This narrative that he "sacrificed" is pure fiction.

 

[Covert Rain]

His role would have been expanded if he was more aggressive. This narrative that he "sacrificed" is pure fiction.

I don't know if I agree with either. I don't buy the "sacrificed" part like you, but I do believe this system isn't built around a center either. Book/CP3 are ball dominant that wouldn't change no matter how aggressive Ayton is. You are not changing that system to accommodate Ayton either, but he definitely would see a few more touches. On another team? It likely would be different.

 

[Chaplin]

I don't know if I agree with either. I don't buy the "sacrificed" part like you, but I do believe this system isn't built around a center either. Book/CP3 are ball dominant that wouldn't change no matter how aggressive Ayton is. You are not changing that system to accommodate Ayton either, but he definitely would see a few more touches. On another team? It likely would be different.

I'm not talking about the system. Look at virtually any game thread, even the ones where we win. How many times do you see posts about Ayton not going up strong? Shying away from being fouled?

Yes, part of it is him not getting the ball. But there's a difference between the "system" dictating he doesn't get the ball and his teammates not having the confidence in him to make the correct strong play? CP3 isn't a ball hog. If he had confidence that DA could do what needed to be done, he would have given him the ball more. The problem is really when Ayton DOES have the ball.

Look, I like DA and I think he has more to offer. But is waiting for that worth a max contract? The fact that the question is being asked doesn't mean that he's a bad player, but is he worthy of the same deals Trae Young and Luka Doncic got? But Ayton apologists are using this "sacrifice" line to show that Ayton has no culpability in this.

 

[Covert Rain]

According to Gambo it still appears with some in the organization still think Ayton will be back but no talks until Friday. The Suns are NOT interested in any trades involving players with one year left on their contract. Also, it appears the Suns have been telling teams they will match any offer which has scarred teams away from making any direct offers to Ayton. The Suns are ONLY interested in a player in return that has multiple years left on their contract (i.e. KD).

Also, said Detroit is signaling it's out which is what everyone is saying. Atlanta doesn't want to give Ayton a max type deal which I hadn't heard. So, it sounds like unless a Darkhorse emerges? It's going to be Detroit, Nets or the Suns. I think Detroit is out unless those rumors are a ploy. So, IMO it's Nets or welcome back Ayton.

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[Covert Rain]

Evidently, on some book sites? They have shut down betting that KD will go to the Suns. I guess the betting is out of control on that move. LOL.

 

[TJ]

In random betting news, BetOnline.ag has Bradley Beal to the Suns at +1600 LMAO

 

[Folster]

The Heat seem to be an often mentioned destination for KD, but one important note is that they don't own their 2023 1st rounder so they wouldn't be able to trade a pick until 2025, but maybe that is not a problem as the 2023 and 2024 pick will likely be late with KD in the fold.

Edit: it actually looks like Miami's 2023 pick is protected and it potentially would not convey until 2026. So the earliest pick Miami could trade would be 2028. Right? That's a huge advantage for the Suns over Miami.

 

[Mainstreet]

In random betting news, BetOnline.ag has Bradley Beal to the Suns at +1600 LMAO

Bradley Beal will likely decline his option with the Wizards and re-sign with them for 5 years / $248 million.

 

[Covert Rain]

The Heat seem to be an often mentioned destination for KD, but one important note is that they don't own their 2023 1st rounder so they wouldn't be able to trade a pick until 2025, but maybe that is not a problem as the 2023 and 2024 pick will likely be late with KD in the fold.

Edit: it actually looks like Miami's 2023 pick is protected and it potentially would not convey until 2026. So the earliest pick Miami could trade would be 2028. Right? That's a huge advantage for the Suns over Miami.

What trade packages are coming out of Miami for Durant? I have not read them.