A year behind, maybe. Not 3 years behind. He got screwed his rookie year but so did the rest of that class in missing Summer League entirely and a shortened training camp, rookie season, and more restricted G-LEAGUE year. Year 2 he was dealt at the deadline though and played regularly in Indiana. What was the issue this year? This is his 3rd year, BTW, so you can't say he's 3 years behind when his 3rd season just happened and he played the entirety for Indiana.
He's doing 10 & 6 in only 18 minutes.
There are players who double that time and come nowhere close.
I don't understand your question when you know the history. Is 18 minutes normal? What does he do happens 25 minutes or 30 minutes?
Do you know he made NBA history twice? One personally (3rd or 4th player to have a double double in 15 minutes with 15+ points) & the other a part of his team (team to win with 5+ players all having 3+ three pointers each)
So I would expect Stix to continue to improve with more playing time to get more experience. That's what I was referring to when I say missed development. I mean he missed live game reps that come from playing game.
Maybe that's why Monty stayed on contact with him and praised him when he didn't even acknowledge DA.
Lol...ok. Monty has done a mighty fine job. My bad. You right.
KD needs time to get acclimated but Stix don't need any. You right. He's had enough already.
Well, it needs upgrading big time.And so it begins. Upgrading the scouting department?
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He's a stretch big who can't shoot 30% from three-point range and who fouls at a high rate because he's not strong enough to defend his position. I don't know what else to tell you.He played 140 games in 3 years at 16 mins per game.
For his draft class (his peers, the future)..... he ranks 29 in games played & 30 in total minutes at 2300. Players in his draft class that still finding their way have played at least twice as many minutes. He's ranks 19 on points average & 8 in rebound average. Only one player, Wiseman, has played less minutes averaged more than him...but all other players have played twice to triple his minutes.
Reduced minutes, reduced production.
More minutes, more of a "chance" to produce more but definitely more experience and more acclimation.
My bad, i need to be clearer. 3 years don't indicated minute development. It's to vague for me because there are signicant gaps. And where you get drafted affect how many minutes are available. Usually lottery teams are bad so rookies get a lot of minutes. Stix went to a lottery team that was a contender. No minutes, due to win mode.
He played 140 games in 3 years at 16 mins per game.
For his draft class (his peers, the future)..... he ranks 29 in games played & 30 in total minutes at 2300. Players in his draft class that still finding their way have played at least twice as many minutes. He's ranks 19 on points average & 8 in rebound average. Only one player, Wiseman, has played less minutes averaged more than him...but all other players have played twice to triple his minutes.
He is minutes (my bad not games or years) behind. 2300 compared to 5000-6000 (not speaking of the stars, the decent to good who played alot of minutes) is a lot. As you do something more you get good at it.
Reduced minutes, reduced production.
More minutes, more of a "chance" to produce more but definitely more experience and more acclimation.
Ok he hasn't and won't improve. You right too.
I believe Monty & James didn't agree with how Smith was used and there was internal conflict. And Monty tried to clear that omen (karma) that has followed Monty each of the three win now modes years by publicly admitting he didn't give Smith a fair shake a few months ago. Why he say that out of the blue? What did he see that would warrant a need for the statement to be made for a player who has not improved since you last had him? Who cares at that point you were right....right? That was 3 win mode years ago. It's not Monty's fault or error...right?
WTF you talking about you say to me? Most be coincidental that Monty may be on his way out in a very humiliating way while the wrong pick is still humbly finding his way and being allowed to improve.
And you add its not just Smith the wrong pick it's issues with DA, it's issues with Crowder, it's issues with CP3 that all could be included in that omen of how you treat people. All that redemption talk but you still dusplay the same pattern. Your actions & your words don't match but you fool people. Fake nice.
I'm not defending Williams. Almost any NBA player will improve over their first four or five years, and Smith probably won't be an exception. But there are only so many roster spots to go around, and Smith is not, nor will soon be, in a position to contribute meaningfully to a championship-seeking team. He's struggling to get time on a team that finished 12 games under .500 and really has nothing better to do than give him every chance to succeed. Bottom line, he's not good.
I can tell you're upset. I think of all of the things that Williams has done wrong, failing to "develop" Jalen Smith is pretty far down the list.
Actually Bridges and Johnson developed pretty well... 200% the FO was wishing that DA was the piece to make the KD trade. Hindsight is 20/20 - 4 1st rounders and filler should have been enough to get KD. The sale getting done prior to the deadline did not work out so well. It makes me sick that MB and his team friendly contract is gone. I was not aware of the new CBA and how it actually hurts the Suns going fwdI do think the Suns do a poor job of developing players but that is no excuse for a player to mail it in while collecting a huge contract.
Actually Bridges and Johnson developed pretty well... 200% the FO was wishing that DA was the piece to make the KD trade. Hindsight is 20/20 - 4 1st rounders and filler should have been enough to get KD. The sale getting done prior to the deadline did not work out so well. It makes me sick that MB and his team friendly contract is gone. I was not aware of the new CBA and how it actually hurts the Suns going fwd
And so it begins. Upgrading the scouting department?
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Yes, unless something has changed, we only really scout the other NBA teams so I think we pretty much need a complete scouting department. With quality scouts for high school, college, international and G League play.I certainly hope the Suns upgrade their scouting department.
As I understand it, most of their scouts were used to scout opponents, not the draft.
I'm guessing someone mentioned the need for a full scouting department to Sarver sometime along the way and he responded "Hey, I have a better idea. How about we just get the GM a subscription to watch University of Kentucky games on cable instead?"Yes, unless something has changed, we only really scout the other NBA teams so I think we pretty much need a complete scouting department. With quality scouts for high school, college, international and G League play.
Well we used to have a full scouting department and scouts that had connections and experience with international ball. They started downsizing it and then I think when JJ took over they got rid of all of it plus the G League team. Either JJ believes drafting is useless or he believed it was the safest place to reduce costs to keep Sarver off his back. I can buy it either way. And the end result is the same, we have no means to develop the young players we don't have.I'm guessing someone mentioned the need for a full scouting department to Sarver sometime along the way and he responded "Hey, I have a better idea. How about we just get the GM a subscription to watch University of Kentucky games on cable instead?"
And then a few years later, when the cost of a Kentucky season subscription went up, Sarver was like "Eh, the GM can just watch YouTube for free."
Well we used to have a full scouting department and scouts that had connections and experience with international ball. They started downsizing it and then I think when JJ took over they got rid of all of it plus the G League team. Either JJ believes drafting is useless or he believed it was the safest place to reduce costs to keep Sarver off his back. I can buy it either way. And the end result is the same, we have no means to develop the young players we don't have.
Yeah, that's roughly where I am but not much would surprise me about this organization the past 15 years or so.I'm not sure what the right answer is but here is how I pictured it in my mind.
I envisioned Robert Sarver putting a stack of money on the table and telling James Jones here is your budget.
You can spend it on a G-League team, scouting or on players. It's your choice.
I think Jones chose to spend it on proven players.