The best thing for us to do today...

[phillycard]

is just move the hell on. The fact that our division is a sitcom is reason for us to put this loss, and all negative thoughts that come with it behind us. The team and all of us at this point need to focus on Sunday and move forward from here. Today was another in a series of gut punches, but like the NE disaster SB year, we have an opportunity to put this behind us and move on. Maybe it's the drinking I've done today, but I've already tossed this debacle to the side and focused on doing what we need to do to get to the dance. I won't lie and say it doesn't hurt, but jeez, SEA getting destroyed softens the blow somewhat.

 

[Catfish]

is just move the hell on. The fact that our division is a sitcom is reason for us to put this loss, and all negative thoughts that come with it behind us. The team and all of us at this point need to focus on Sunday and move forward from here. Today was another in a series of gut punches, but like the NE disaster SB year, we have an opportunity to put this behind us and move on. Maybe it's the drinking I've done today, but I've already tossed this debacle to the side and focused on doing what we need to do to get to the dance. I won't lie and say it doesn't hurt, but jeez, SEA getting destroyed softens the blow somewhat.

While I agree with you that we need to move on, it is far past time that we started to learn from our mistakes. The biggest one that we have repeated over and over since Whiz has been here is a failure to run the ball with any degree of regularity. I seriously doubt that we can win unless and until we either shake the pass first mentality and learn to run the ball with conviction, or scrap our QB's for another Warner-----even that plan would be flawed, as can be seen from our superbowl loss.

 

[BigRedMO]

is just move the hell on. The fact that our division is a sitcom is reason for us to put this loss, and all negative thoughts that come with it behind us. The team and all of us at this point need to focus on Sunday and move forward from here. Today was another in a series of gut punches, but like the NE disaster SB year, we have an opportunity to put this behind us and move on. Maybe it's the drinking I've done today, but I've already tossed this debacle to the side and focused on doing what we need to do to get to the dance. I won't lie and say it doesn't hurt, but jeez, SEA getting destroyed softens the blow somewhat.

Do you ever recognize reality or do you always do your stiff upper lip routine? At what point during the season will your recognize this organization is lost? Will it take the point of mathematical elimination before you see the obvious? The team already quit and is planning their offseason. Fitz is considering who he would like to play for for the rest of his career.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I seriously doubt that we can win unless and until we either shake the pass first mentality and learn to run the ball with conviction, or scrap our QB's for another Warner-----even that plan would be flawed, as can be seen from our superbowl loss.

Well, what is the difference is my question.

It is not like the Steelers offensive line was the best of the best when they were running the ball with ease.

I too would like to see this team run the ball more, but as of right now they are doing a pretty poor job at it.

This is not a complain, more of an inquiry.

 

[Renz]

Do you ever recognize reality or do you always do your stiff upper lip routine? At what point during the season will your recognize this organization is lost? Will it take the point of mathematical elimination before you see the obvious? The team already quit and is planning their offseason. Fitz is considering who he would like to play for for the rest of his career.

You've quit. The players haven't. Stop confusing the two.

I think you need to stop taking these Cardinal losses so personally.

 

[Duckjake]

While I agree with you that we need to move on, it is far past time that we started to learn from our mistakes. The biggest one that we have repeated over and over since Whiz has been here is a failure to run the ball with any degree of regularity. I seriously doubt that we can win unless and until we either shake the pass first mentality and learn to run the ball with conviction, or scrap our QB's for another Warner-----even that plan would be flawed, as can be seen from our superbowl loss.

Yes it is very hard to move on when the Cards keep doing the same things to lose games (or almost lose games).

Can't run the ball or play pass defense to protect leads especially in the 4th quarter.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Yes it is very hard to move on when the Cards keep doing the same things to lose games (or almost lose games).

Can't run the ball or play pass defense to protect leads especially in the 4th quarter.

Agreed. The team has never been able to close out games. Not since Whiz has been here. Not for a long time before Whiz got here.

Always the running game in AZ. Just can't seem to get that situation fixed, or headed in the right direction.

Cardinals never had a premier center in that time either.......interesting.

 

[Cardiac]

Agreed. The team has never been able to close out games. Not since Whiz has been here. Not for a long time before Whiz got here.

Always the running game in AZ. Just can't seem to get that situation fixed, or headed in the right direction.

Cardinals never had a premier center in that time either.......interesting.

I agree fully with this. I think Senlien (sp) is a solid player but he is not elite and that does make a big difference in the play of the O-line. Look who the better running teams in the league are and they typically have a premier center.

 

[Osbern61]

Agreed. The team has never been able to close out games. Not since Whiz has been here. Not for a long time before Whiz got here.

Always the running game in AZ. Just can't seem to get that situation fixed, or headed in the right direction.

Cardinals never had a premier center in that time either.......interesting.

Getting that first down to ice a game is where they've been extremely dismal; the Saints game, the Rams game, and yesterday's game which I KNEW they were not going to convert. I told my wife when the Cards offense took the field up by 7, that we would have to count on Favre screwing up rather than rely on our offense getting a first down.

 

[Fitz Rulz]

The best thing for us to do today...


wait for next Sunday
things could change in our favour

 

[Jersey Girl]

I'm moving on from this loss just to save my sanity. I was furious yesterday and even a little angry when I heard Coach Whiz on KTAR this morning saying the same things he's said every week. But, what can ya do? I'm not gonna let this debacle ruin my week.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I'm moving on from this loss just to save my sanity. I was furious yesterday and even a little angry when I heard Coach Whiz on KTAR this morning saying the same things he's said every week. But, what can ya do? I'm not gonna let this debacle ruin my week.

Pretty soon we prolly won't be able to tell the difference between Whiz and Wade Phillips in their post game pressers

 

[Jersey Girl]

Pretty soon we prolly won't be able to tell the difference between Whiz and Wade Phillips in their post game pressers

Seriously.

We have to continue to improve. We can't turn the ball over. If a couple plays go the other way, we might have won the game.

Same stuff, different Monday.

 

[conraddobler]

Seriously.

We have to continue to improve. We can't turn the ball over. If a couple plays go the other way, we might have won the game.

Same stuff, different Monday.

This.

You could almost honestly say that about any loss.

 

[ajcardfan]

Well, I thought we'd be 4-4 AT BEST at this point before the season started. So, I'm not shocked that we're 3-5. The devil is always in the details, however. The way we blew the last two games late makes our record much more distasteful than I expected.

That said, our schedule is now quite favorable. KC has turned out to be a tough game, but four of our next five are at home sandwiched around it. Seattle, SF, St. Louis, and Denver. Then, a trip to play an awful Carolina team, then home to play Dallas who has also been terrible. Finally, we end up at SF. It's ridiculous to throw in the towel at this point in the season. I don't know how we'll do over the last 8 games, but any other franchise in the league would be looking at those games and say, "We can make a run." We should too.

 

[BigRedMO]

You've quit. The players haven't. Stop confusing the two.

I think you need to stop taking these Cardinal losses so personally.

14 points in 3:34. Who quit?

Bickley agrees with me

"And then the Cardinals quit." Todays AZ Republic.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Well, I thought we'd be 4-4 AT BEST at this point before the season started. So, I'm not shocked that we're 3-5. The devil is always in the details, however. The way we blew the last two games late makes our record much more distasteful than I expected.

That said, our schedule is now quite favorable. KC has turned out to be a tough game, but four of our next five are at home sandwiched around it. Seattle, SF, St. Louis, and Denver. Then, a trip to play an awful Carolina team, then home to play Dallas who has also been terrible. Finally, we end up at SF. It's ridiculous to throw in the towel at this point in the season. I don't know how we'll do over the last 8 games, but any other franchise in the league would be looking at those games and say, "We can make a run." We should too.

Exactly. Anyone expecting us to come out like the last 2 years and dominate teams is delusional, WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME TEAM. This is a feast or famine D, and an offense that can't do anything consistently, with the worst QB tandem in the league. We're unbelievably fortunate to be 1 game out of first in the division, with a bunch of easy teams ahead of us.

Was I pissed we lost yesterday? Of course. Guess what? That comes with sports in general. Sometimes you'll lose games you should win, and sometimes you win games you should lose. (i.e. Raiders game) To let it ruin your Sunday, let alone the rest of your week means you need to get some more hobbies.

 

[john h]

While I agree with you that we need to move on, it is far past time that we started to learn from our mistakes. The biggest one that we have repeated over and over since Whiz has been here is a failure to run the ball with any degree of regularity. I seriously doubt that we can win unless and until we either shake the pass first mentality and learn to run the ball with conviction, or scrap our QBs for another Warner-----even that plan would be flawed, as can be seen from our Superbowl loss.

I do not have much to say about this game other than I place most of the blame for our loss on Whiz. I think we went into the use up the time mode much to early. We do not have the running game to support this. This loss could not be blamed on Anderson. I agree and most of the blogs say Anderson played well enough to win. I suggest we need and Offensive Coordinator. I think many people agree. Graves probably does not have it in him to challenge Whiz on this subject. The play calling was suspect to say the least.

Subject #2. 2011 draft we will have to go for a QB unless the top three are gone or there is someone left we like. We might even want to move up. It appears to me we will be in a position to get one of the top three. Last week I downgraded Ryan Mallet to #2 in the SEC behind the Auburn QB. After watching him destroy favored South Carolina with another 300 yd plus game I now am putting him #1 out of the SEC. The draft gurus rate him with a number "92" and that was before the South Carolina game who was strongly favored. They say he can make all the NFL throws. He throws smoothly over the top and has the strongest arm in college football. At 6'7" few can block his passes and he is sitting some all time SEC records. The experts say he has great field presence and leadership. I am not very familiar with the west coast QB's but in the SEC Ryan Mallet would likely be a good choice for us and we may be in a position to get him unless he keeps moving up. We have a chance again to watch him against LSU which just took it to Auburn. The draft people have him as the third best in the nation at this point. He is a pure pocket passer and is very accurate running either left or right and very good at side stepping on rushing linemen. We will also see him in a bowl and he is still a contender for the Heisman. Like the Cards, the Arkansas coach Bobby Petrino calls his own plays. As long as he keeps winning, no one is complaining. I was wary of this coach after all the bad mouth he got when quitting the coaching job with the Falcons. I was wrong this guy is a very good head coach and a very innovative coach to say the least. He will likely stay here as long as he wants.

 

[schutd]

Watched my first game of the season yesterday

Finally got to see a game! Boo.

Thoughts:

DA really is terrible. I thought you guys were exaggerating. Terrible. Sure, he didnt make the back breaking mistakes that he has in the past, but he regularly overthrew open receivers. And not by a little bit. He TERRIBLY over threw them. When he did connect, there was zero YAC because of his placement. Hes never going to be any better than he is right now. 86 him.

Hightower ran well, and the OL run blocked well for him.

However, after a nice game by our OL, they inexplicably quit with 4 minutes left. Great pass protection the entire game, then bam. DA was downed, what? a handful of times at the end.

Great performance by the D. for 54 minutes. Too bad Porter picked this game to make a difference. Would have been nice if they could have finished the job.

Adrian Wilson cannot cover down field. What happened to him being a beast all over the field, blitzing and playing close to the line?

How gassed did Rhodes look heading for the goal line before he was stripped? I know these guys head for the endzone on instinct. Wheres the instinct to hold onto the ball in traffic and while absorbing hits?

I dont know. I never contribute here, though I read a lot. Just wanting to be involved, I guess and let you all know that there is silent suffering happening this season as well.

Heres hoping for a new QB, some depth at S, some OL help, CC to make some sort of a comeback. Where the hell has he gone??? LB reinforcements, and I guess a new RB, though thats not as high a priority since we dont seem to use them much anyway. Beanie's in trouble.

 

[john h]

Do you ever recognize reality or do you always do your stiff upper lip routine? At what point during the season will your recognize this organization is lost? Will it take the point of mathematical elimination before you see the obvious? The team already quit and is planning their offseason. Fitz is considering who he would like to play for for the rest of his career.

It will take at least two years without Warner to get a good sense of how good Whiz is. Warner clearly made this team what it was. He was the team along with his receivers.
We must also remember that Rod Graves is the main reason we are where we are at this point? Our team has been sorry with only an few years under the leadership of Kurt Warner. Graves is what he is which is a mystery man who may or may not have real control of team personnel. I think every team in the NFL you can point to a man and say he is the GM or the owner and is the one who puts the team together. No one really knows what responsibility and authority Rod Graves has. We do know he is very tight with the Bidwills and it will likely be he will be here as long as he wants. No one is surely going to offer him a lifetime job like he appears to have here. Does the press ever question this man? I am a Cubs fan and our GM is Jim Hendry. He is an out front guy who regularly holds public meetings and comes on TV with the announcers to let the fans know what he is thinking. He is clearly the GM of the Cubs and we know what authority and responsibility he has. Few of us ever criticize this man likely because few knows what he does.

 

[desertdawg]

Good stuff schutd.

 

[PaulW]

The most important item that should be addressed is the offensive line. Warner retired because he did not want to get hurt, he knew the beating he was going to take with this OL. We do not need OT at 330 lbs that can't move their feet, thought that would have been learned with Leonard Davis. Jones and Keith just cannot protect the QB and the other linemen cannot pick up any blitzers.

So, what happens, 3 & OUT, 3 & OUT, 3 & OUT, 3 & OUT. The defense is on the field most of the time and continue to take a pounding and cannot do that for 4 quarters. Do as the Jets did a few years ago and draft OL in the early rounds instead of the back of the draft. I guess Grimm tells everyone that he will be able to develop the lineman and as someone mentioned in another post, Grimm is just a pretender.

I would start Hadnot for Fanaca and Bridges for L. Jones. Maybe this would shake up a few bodies and maybe we could get a push for the running game.

One last item: Bryan Robinson, go back to Chicago and work for your wife in the beauty parlor. Made 1 tackle 6 yards down field because the Vikes center pushed him there and peterson ran into him. He never gets double teamed, on need. Evan the rookie Dan Williams held his own and was getting double teamed.

 

[john h]

Agreed. The team has never been able to close out games. Not since Whiz has been here. Not for a long time before Whiz got here.

Always the running game in AZ. Just can't seem to get that situation fixed, or headed in the right direction.

Cardinals never had a premier center in that time either.......interesting.

We went into the conservative mode much to early in this game. We do not have the running game to support it. I did not like the calls Whiz made in the 4Th quarter what so ever. I lay much of the blame for the loss on Whiz. Yes we lost the ball at the goal line but the Vikings turned the ball over more than us. We lead the league in getting turnovers. Anderson played no part in this loss. The defense and offense seemed to disappear in the 4Th quarter. Favre, who is a dead-man walking was not got to and just threw long pass after long pass. Then when we get the ball it was mostly three runs or two runs with one pass and then kick. This team cannot afford to go into a shell in the 4Th quarter. We need to pass if that is what it takes to move the chains. The one positive is that ever game we lose moves us closer to drafting a top QB. The Rams are the future champs of our division. Bradford looks like a future all-pro. He already has the savvy and they may well win our division this year. The Seahawks are sinking and we are sunk. We may win another game but with each loss I suspect the players are going to avoid high risk play and protect their bodies and look forward to FA. I like Whiz but since Warner left the glitter of Whiz is wearing off. Just how he will do next year will be watched carefully as he does not have a Kurt Warner to make him look like a genius. I do not think management understood just how much Warner was responsible for the success of the team and apparently did not got to great lengths to find a QB. They had plenty of time to make a move. Was money part of the reason we did not go hard after a QB? That will always be part of old time Cards fans thinking as it has played such an important role over the years in the Cards failures.

 

[AZ Native]

14 points in 3:34. Who quit?

Bickley agrees with me

"And then the Cardinals quit." Todays AZ Republic.

Bickley agrees with you? Well there is a strong endorsement from a Cardinals' hater.

 

[john h]

The most important item that should be addressed is the offensive line. Warner retired because he did not want to get hurt, he knew the beating he was going to take with this OL. We do not need OT at 330 lbs that can't move their feet, thought that would have been learned with Leonard Davis. Jones and Keith just cannot protect the QB and the other linemen cannot pick up any blitzers.

So, what happens, 3 & OUT, 3 & OUT, 3 & OUT, 3 & OUT. The defense is on the field most of the time and continue to take a pounding and cannot do that for 4 quarters. Do as the Jets did a few years ago and draft OL in the early rounds instead of the back of the draft. I guess Grimm tells everyone that he will be able to develop the lineman and as someone mentioned in another post, Grimm is just a pretender.

I would start Hadnot for Fanaca and Bridges for L. Jones. Maybe this would shake up a few bodies and maybe we could get a push for the running game.

One last item: Bryan Robinson, go back to Chicago and work for your wife in the beauty parlor. Made 1 tackle 6 yards down field because the Vikes center pushed him there and peterson ran into him. He never gets double teamed, on need. Evan the rookie Dan Williams held his own and was getting double teamed.

Football is a team game but few will dispute that the QB is the most important player on any team. You can have the best OL in the league but if your QB cannot hit receivers or recognize defenses, have an NFL arm, etc you will never make it to the playoffs. The QB handles the ball on 95% of all offensive plays. You may do well with a good average QB if you have a great defense and OL but you will not go to a Superbowl or far in the playoffs. If we draft something other than a QB I will be very surprised. We do not have a decent QB to even develop unless Skelton is a lot better than we know.