The blown play and how the refs stole the game

[SASpursfan]

Hello Suns fans! This is my first post and ive been reading some of the topics and responses on this board. Ive been really impressed at some of the responses in this chatroom. Very few blaming the refs on the outcome of the series. About the flagrant foul on Horry, when I first say as it occurred as it happened in the game I was pissed because it really look like as Amare just pushed Horry for no reason. However, after viewing the replay it did appear as Amare push Horry, but Horry just sold it to convince the refs. But the refs dont have the luxury of seeing the replays, Horry was just intelligent enough to sell the call. And if anyone thinks that Spurs are getting the calls one only has to look at the number of times that Amare goes to the line. LIke the time that Tim supposedly fouled him I just took as the refs are doing there best to call the game. Im sure its not an easy job for them. Amare is an amazing athlete and fantastic finisher. Nash is also amazing. His ability to keep his dribble and find the open man is fun to watch. However, hes getting worn down as the game goes on. He is simply playing too many minutes.
Now for the one individual who thinks the Suns are not getting enough respect I think you are terribly wrong. Many people view the Suns as the most exciting team to watch and and stil see the Spurs as a boring team, throwing the ball in to Tim and the shooters spottting up. But they are so much more than that. One of the reasons I wanted to see the Spurs play teh SUns in the WCF is because it seems more people would watch because of the Suns exciting game.
I wanna say good luck .. but Im rooting for my team as Im sure u guys are..

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

You can't blame the refs for the game, there are so many variables. Refs aren't perfect, but the Suns blew a couple plays on their own. Would a call here or there given us the points we needed to win? Sure, but had Amare hit that open layup or he hadn't committed that offensive foul - we would have had our points right there.

Welcome SASpursFan,

While I understand that Horry did the smart thing in selling the refs, I think that most people here are annoyed by it beacause our players do not over react that often (Well, Q does).

 

[SASpursfan]

You can't blame the refs for the game, there are so many variables. Refs aren't perfect, but the Suns blew a couple plays on their own. Would a call here or there given us the points we needed to win? Sure, but had Amare hit that open layup or he hadn't committed that offensive foul - we would have had our points right there.

Welcome SASpursFan,

While I understand that Horry did the smart thing in selling the refs, I think that most people here are annoyed by it beacause our players do not over react that often (Well, Q does).

Well unfortunately thats what may cost u the series. Players all around the league have learned that refs have to make instantaneous calls.. and sometimes selling it works. I as a fan enjoy watching the Suns play.. and im sure the your players wont react to it. .but theres more to it than that. It seems that the Suns need to make defensive stops in the 4th. When they do.. then u guys will be even more scary

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Well unfortunately thats what may cost u the series. Players all around the league have learned that refs have to make instantaneous calls.. and sometimes selling it works. I as a fan enjoy watching the Suns play.. and im sure the your players wont react to it. .but theres more to it than that. It seems that the Suns need to make defensive stops in the 4th. When they do.. then u guys will be even more scary

Agreed. Joe is a big part of our defense, arguably our best defender. We were able to get key stops whenever we needed them during the regular season and most of the playoffs -- but without Joe we just cannot do it. He isn't a lock down guy by an means, but he is a big guard with immense quickness. He will give anyone that he guards fits. When the player passes it off, Marion and Q will jump and try to get their hands on it.

 

[SASpursfan]

One of the things i noticed is that other than Nash none of your other guys have ball handling skills.. Nash is fun too watch and when he finds the open man ..and he usually does.. it usually ends up in a dunk. But noone else seems to have the ball handling skills like Nash.. Thats why I think Pop prefers to give Nash and Amare give them their points.. but other than that.. most are athletes . not basketball players.. and I really dont think JJ is the answer. He has his moments but hes not someone who is gonna carry the suns team to the Finals

Just my opinion

 

[Cheesebeef]

One of the things i noticed is that other than Nash none of your other guys have ball handling skills.. Nash is fun too watch and when he finds the open man ..and he usually does.. it usually ends up in a dunk. But noone else seems to have the ball handling skills like Nash.. Thats why I think Pop prefers to give Nash and Amare give them their points.. but other than that.. most are athletes . not basketball players.. and I really dont think JJ is the answer. He has his moments but hes not someone who is gonna carry the suns team to the Finals

Just my opinion

you're wrong - JJ is the answer - JJ is the only other guy on the court who can handle the ball and create his own shot. You've been pretty dead on with everything else till this point but on this topic - JJ not being able to create/handle - you're wrong.

 

[SASpursfan]

maybe I am.. but i remember from the 2003 playoffs.. and JJ impressed me a couple of times. but to think he may get offered a 50 million contract is mind boggling

 

[Cheesebeef]

maybe I am.. but i remember from the 2003 playoffs.. and JJ impressed me a couple of times. but to think he may get offered a 50 million contract is mind boggling

dude - he ain't even close to the player he was back in 2003. He won't only get 50 - he'll get 10 million more. The guy (and I was admittedly NOT a big fan of his, even before this season after he tore up the league when Steph was traded last year) has grown leaps and bounds from the shy, scared player he was back in 2003.

You probably won't see it in this series - afterall, he is just coming back from breaking his face, but you're looking at the team that is going to battle you for Western Conference superiority over the next 4 years. What is truly impressive about the Spurs is that they are really going to have this run for a full decade - having played and won during the Shaq run and now into the Post-Shaq west. It should be a good rivalry for years to come. You're up on us now - but so we're the Pistons on the Bulls at one point, and so were the Celtics over the Pistons at one point, and so were the Lakers over the Pistons at one point, and so were the Lakers over YOU and so on and so on. But for now - I will say at least if we do lose to you, I can take solace in the fact that you should be a great NBA champion - not one with a bunch of prima donnas or guys who get in trouble. I couldn't have handled the offseason if we lost to those punk ******* in Dallas.

That being said - I hope we whup your ass on Saturday!

 

[SASpursfan]

Are you telling me he make more money than Manu? If he does.. his agent did a great job

 

[Cheesebeef]

Are you telling me he make more money than Manu? If he does.. his agent did a great job

I'm telling you that at age 23 - as opposed to age 27 and with all the talent in the world, that yeah - he'll probably be making more than Ginobli. That being said - Ginobli has a pretty piss poor agent. He should have gotten much more and has proven to be an absolute stud.

 

[az1965]

If Ginobili is not getting enough, he should try to hold out from rest of the WCF games until a new contract is signed...



Just trying to see if he bites on this stupid idea and help out Suns...


It is close to mid night and I'm still at work, tired... so ignore my stupid post.

 

[elindholm]

About the flagrant foul on Horry

Hey SASpursfan, welcome.

Just to make sure you understand, what most of us are objecting to is that Stoudemire didn't get a chance to shoot free throws. The referees did (correctly) call a foul on Horry and a technical on Stoudemire. However, for some completely incomprehensible reason, they ruled that Horry's foul was on the floor, even though Stoudemire was obviously in the act of shooting. There's really no explanation for that, unless there's a rule I'm not aware of that states you can't receive a technical foul and be awarded free throws on the same play.

I don't think it determined the outcome of the game, but there's no debating that it was a mistake by the officials, even with Stoudemire's technical (which I don't have a problem with).

 

[Chaz]

About the flagrant foul on Horry

Hey SASpursfan, welcome.

Just to make sure you understand, what most of us are objecting to is that Stoudemire didn't get a chance to shoot free throws. The referees did (correctly) call a foul on Horry and a technical on Stoudemire. However, for some completely incomprehensible reason, they ruled that Horry's foul was on the floor, even though Stoudemire was obviously in the act of shooting. There's really no explanation for that, unless there's a rule I'm not aware of that states you can't receive a technical foul and be awarded free throws on the same play.

I don't think it determined the outcome of the game, but there's no debating that it was a mistake by the officials, even with Stoudemire's technical (which I don't have a problem with).

Funny I though the whistle came earlier (before the shot) and Horry fouled him again after the whistle. I didn't have a problem with the ball on the side but I thought the technical was BS.

Well, it was either complete BS or a savy veteran move. Probably both.

 

[elindholm]

Funny I though the whistle came earlier (before the shot) and Horry fouled him again after the whistle.

Ah, that's possible. All the replays I saw were silent, so I don't know when the whistle was. Maybe there was an earlier foul I didn't notice, and that's the one that was called. Horry clearly committed a foul while Stoudemire was shooting, but it might have been too late to matter.

If that's the case, then disregard my previous post. Well, except the "welcome" part.

 

[SASpursfan]

I to wondered why Amare didnt get them freethrows. The only reason I could why he didnt get the freethrows is because he never released the ball. He came down witht the ball. I dont think Horry was holding onto the ball and thus prevented him from releasing the ball.

Cheese.. I totally agree with you about the Suns having to pay their dues before they win a championship. There are very few Cinderella champions. Omitting Detroit from last year. I think this year has and will be a learning experience for them and will make them a tougher foe in the years to come. I think the Spurs have a legitimate chance of winning the championship for the next six years. After that I dont know since our top three players contracts will be over. Fortunately, the Spurs have another outstanding big man coming in next year. He is considered to be the top big man in Europe. And hes a teammate of Ginobili. Im really excited about him coming over next year. He plays with as much heart as Ginobili and will definitely help out the spurs.

 

[Chaz]

I to wondered why Amare didnt get them freethrows. The only reason I could why he didnt get the freethrows is because he never released the ball. He came down witht the ball. I dont think Horry was holding onto the ball and thus prevented him from releasing the ball.
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He didn't get the FT because the whistle blew on the block at the FT line not after he got past into the lane.

This is why I was pissed about the TECH. Because Horry kept playing (and fouling) after the whistle blew.

They always get the guy that retaliates although that wasn't much of a retaliation.