The Cam Reddish Thread

[WildBB]

Good interview. Man, that would be one crowded wing team. They'd need to move at least one.

Local media is talking up Coby White as a great fit, even better than Garland for this team right at this moment.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Cam Reddish going in for "core muscle surgery". IOW, sports hernia. This article says he played with it all year at Duke. Does that make anyone more or less interested in him?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254016/Cam-Reddish-To-Undergo-Core-Muscle-Surgery

 

[Yuma]

Cam Reddish going in for "core muscle surgery". IOW, sports hernia. This article says he played with it all year at Duke. Does that make anyone more or less interested in him?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254016/Cam-Reddish-To-Undergo-Core-Muscle-Surgery

I'm out! LOL!

 

[overseascardfan]

Gambo mentioned yesterday that LA is leaning towards taking Reddish over Garland and White unless they deal the pick to NO for Davis. That would open door for PHX as CLE shouldn't need a PG. But I don't like Garland and White IMO doesn't solve the problem at PG. If I was ARZ I would be looking at BPA at #6 even if its a wing and replace whomever gets traded (Jackson, Warren, Bridges) with him or deal the pick for a PG if they can't sign Russell.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I'm out! LOL!

It could explain his lower than expected level of play.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Gambo mentioned yesterday that LA is leaning towards taking Reddish over Garland and White unless they deal the pick to NO for Davis. That would open door for PHX as CLE shouldn't need a PG. But I don't like Garland and White IMO doesn't solve the problem at PG. If I was ARZ I would be looking at BPA at #6 even if its a wing and replace whomever gets traded (Jackson, Warren, Bridges) with him or deal the pick for a PG if they can't sign Russell.

If Garland is available at #6, he is the BPA IMO. I have to take him, even if he is a Klutch client.

 

[Mainstreet]

If Garland is available at #6, he is the BPA IMO. I have to take him, even if he is a Klutch client.

I'm not allowing myself to think about Garland because I suspect he will be gone at #6. If not the Suns have solid options with Garland and White. Personally I think White is being underrated.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm not allowing myself to think about Garland because I suspect he will be gone at #6. If not the Suns have solid options with Garland and White.

I don't want Garland because he's a very high bust risk, he is coming off meniscus surgery and Rich Paul is his agent. Any one of those 3 would have me dropping him out of the lottery if not out of the first round completely.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't want Garland because he's a very high bust risk, he is coming off meniscus surgery and Rich Paul is his agent. Any one of those 3 would have me dropping him out of the lottery if not out of the first round completely.

I'm fine if the Suns can find a trade partner to trade down and gain an asset. The strength in this draft is big men as I view it.

I guess I'm not sure why many are down on White unless they are looking for a point guard to start in the near future. Neither Garland or White are that except Garland has more baggage. I am intrigued by Garland's Curry-esque moves so I wouldn't be hating it if the Suns drafted him. Just think White might be as good down the road.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm fine if the Suns can find a trade partner to trade down and gain an asset. The strength in this draft is big men as I view it.

I guess I'm not sure why many are down on White unless they are looking for a point guard to start in the near future. Neither Garland or White are that except Garland has more baggage. I am intrigued by Garland's Curry-esque moves so I wouldn't be hating it if the Suns drafted him. Just think White might be as good down the road.

I didn't watch a lot of White so I'm mostly neutral on him. I am unimpressed by some of the scouting reports on him but I don't really have a first hand opinion on him.

Garland interested me prior to the injury but it never crossed my mind he'd be considered a lottery pick. And IMO the only reason he is, is because he got injured and nobody got to see all the weaknesses in his game. But regardless, I would not waste a lottery pick on ANYONE that had meniscus problems. The risk so greatly outweighs the reward IMO when you're also talking about an untested prospect.

 

[Mainstreet]

I didn't watch a lot of White so I'm mostly neutral on him. I am unimpressed by some of the scouting reports on him but I don't really have a first hand opinion on him.

Garland interested me prior to the injury but it never crossed my mind he'd be considered a lottery pick. And IMO the only reason he is, is because he got injured and nobody got to see all the weaknesses in his game. But regardless, I would not waste a lottery pick on ANYONE that had meniscus problems. The risk so greatly outweighs the reward IMO when you're also talking about an untested prospect.

Maybe the Lakers will draft Garland and it will be a non-issue.

I do like White because he of his quickness and his height. There is a lot to like for such a young player.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I didn't watch a lot of White so I'm mostly neutral on him. I am unimpressed by some of the scouting reports on him but I don't really have a first hand opinion on him.

Garland interested me prior to the injury but it never crossed my mind he'd be considered a lottery pick. And IMO the only reason he is, is because he got injured and nobody got to see all the weaknesses in his game. But regardless, I would not waste a lottery pick on ANYONE that had meniscus problems. The risk so greatly outweighs the reward IMO when you're also talking about an untested prospect.

Ok. A couple of things. A meniscus is usually not that big of a deal. I think he is rated highly is because he was universally considered better than Ja, and Ja is going #2. Of course, Ja passed a lot of other prospects over the course of the year, so its a projection. He is also rated highly because of his outside shooting and handle.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Ok. A couple of things. A meniscus is usually not that big of a deal. I think he is rated highly is because he was universally considered better than Ja, and Ja is going #2. Of course, Ja passed a lot of other prospects over the course of the year, so its a projection. He is also rated highly because of his outside shooting and handle.

I disagree on the meniscus but okay, let's move to the other points. I agree he was more highly considered than Ja but Morant wasn't on most people's preseason draft board.

I know NBA comps are a very limited way to view a player but look who he keeps getting compared to - Dennis Schroeder, Collin Sexton or a poor man's Kyrie. I think he's Eric Bledsoe without the defense or the ability to draw fouls. He's also less of a passer than Eric and more of a turnover risk (granted that's according to very limited stats, but it's that small sample that has him in high lottery conversations).

 

[JCSunsfan]

I disagree on the meniscus but okay, let's move to the other points. I agree he was more highly considered than Ja but Morant wasn't on most people's preseason draft board.

I know NBA comps are a very limited way to view a player but look who he keeps getting compared to - Dennis Schroeder, Collin Sexton or a poor man's Kyrie. I think he's Eric Bledsoe without the defense or the ability to draw fouls. He's also less of a passer than Eric and more of a turnover risk (granted that's according to very limited stats, but it's that small sample that has him in high lottery conversations).

I agree about Ja. Garland is rising because Ja did, but that is not necessarily sound reasoning. His comparison to Bledsoe is way off to me. He is so much better as a ball handler and shooter, and not the defender that Bledsoe is. Garland has a slight physique like Steph Curry or a young Kyrie or Lillard. He is much more in a Lillard mold. Lots of offense, looks for his own shot first, not necessarily a gifted passer, fantastic shooter.

Like I said in the other thread, I am high on players like Shamarie Ponds and Kabengele (Ty Jerome and Bazley are interesting too). I actually would be much more comfortable trading down and taking two of those four. Maybe we could end up with a future pick or something.

 

[slinslin]

Garland is not rising because Morant rose...

 

[JCSunsfan]

Garland is not rising because Morant rose...

What do you say that? Do you have a reason or is it just an opinion?

 

[slinslin]

Because Garland was higher rated than Morant at some point and players rise independently of how someone else performs.

Why would a team care about Morant when assessing Garland, they don't.

 

[GatorAZ]

http://arizonasports.com/story/1963654/do-suns-want-to-gamble-on-growth-from-duke-wing-cam-reddish/

 

[Russ Smith]

Kid is very talented, he's not as advanced as Zion and Barrett were because he's not as aggressive as they are. That's IMO the concern is he going to get that self confidence and aggressiveness, if he does he'll be a terrific player.

 

[1Sun]

I disagree on the meniscus but okay, let's move to the other points. I agree he was more highly considered than Ja but Morant wasn't on most people's preseason draft board.

I know NBA comps are a very limited way to view a player but look who he keeps getting compared to - Dennis Schroeder, Collin Sexton or a poor man's Kyrie. I think he's Eric Bledsoe without the defense or the ability to draw fouls. He's also less of a passer than Eric and more of a turnover risk (granted that's according to very limited stats, but it's that small sample that has him in high lottery conversations).

He's also being compared to Damian Lillard...

 

[JCSunsfan]

Kid is very talented, he's not as advanced as Zion and Barrett were because he's not as aggressive as they are. That's IMO the concern is he going to get that self confidence and aggressiveness, if he does he'll be a terrific player.

After Len, Chriss, Bender, and even Ayton, haven't we learned our lesson about drafting prospects with confidence and aggressiveness issues. That is the last thing this team needs.

 

[Mainstreet]

After Len, Chriss, Bender, and even Ayton, haven't we learned our lesson about drafting prospects with confidence and aggressiveness issues. That is the last thing this team needs.

The Suns should have learned not to draft players based upon potential but rather tangible skills that have been demonstrated in game play.

 

[95pro]

After Len, Chriss, Bender, and even Ayton, haven't we learned our lesson about drafting prospects with confidence and aggressiveness issues. That is the last thing this team needs.

The Suns should have learned not to draft players based upon potential but rather tangible skills that have been demonstrated in game play.

old regime i hope

 

[Russ Smith]

After Len, Chriss, Bender, and even Ayton, haven't we learned our lesson about drafting prospects with confidence and aggressiveness issues. That is the last thing this team needs.

Yeah I'm not saying he's the guy you should pick. He's a potentially really good player, and he's potentially a coach killer kind of player in that you keep thinking this is the year he'll finally get it and he never does because he is not aggressive enough. you just never know. An example would be Wiggins who had the same lack of killer instinct. Just when Minnesota thought he'd turned the corner in year 3 at the age of 21, he took a step back the next 2 years. He's still only 23 but I think it seems far less likely now he ever becomes the elite player they thought he would be when they picked him.

The difference with Reddish is he sure looks like he should be a good defender and a good shooter, the mechanics on that shot are just so smooth as that link said it's hard to believe he didn't shoot it better from 3 with Duke. Wiggins was never a good shooter and he's never been the type of defender he should be given how athletic he is. So I think Reddish' floor is higher for those reasons.

I don't know who the Suns should pick I just think he's very intriguing he's got the potential to be a very good player

 

[Yuma]

I only worry about Reddish in that he's good at everything, but not a master at anything. Those guys sometimes don't push themseleves to master a skill, like say a PG that NEEDS handles to make it. Sometimes those players get to a certain skill level, say I got that, and look for another skill to make less of a weakness. I just worry about his game drifting along because he doesn't have to work at it.