The curtain's been pulled back

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I was about to apologize, and state that you have not said, directly you want the guy fired. I should have made that clear. I didn't intend to stick that on you, but I also wasn't being careful with what I typed.

Yet, the list of complaints that you and other posters have is asking Bruce Arians to do things he will not do, thus firing him would be the only way for those changes to come about.

If he doesn't get fired, then he is going to continue to do what he does, just as he has consistently done since he got here. He is who is is at this point.

You are allow to have your opinions, yet, you are calling me out for having mine. I barely go on this board anymore, and took part in this single thread to voice my support for a coach that I think is doing a fine job, and that some of the accusations here are not 100% the full truth. So, to say I am bristled, which I am not, just talking about the Cardinals, and to say it is about every little thing, is ridiculous and untrue.

As for the rest ? Take some of your own advice Ouchie.

Point taken, RM. apologies.

That said, it seems your argument could be applied to every player or coach or gm. They are who they are so either like it or want them fired or cut. That's awfully black and white.

The best people in ALL walks of life understand flexibility and the need to be capable of adaptation. If you really think Arians is incapable of adapting, then yes he likely needs to be fired. A great coach adapts.

 

[pmacLean]

Arians and company (Keim, Bidwill) embarked on the Bethel project. We'll make him a cornerback. Before finding out if this theory was viable or not, they threw him a whole bunch of money. Then it turns out, Bethel is NOT a cornerback (don't get me wrong, I like Bethel, he just can't play cornerback.... AT ALL). The brain trust KNEW this in pre-season. They knew it at the start of the season. The only reason Bethel was out there as a CB was because of injuries and they had no one else.

So to then snarl to the media 'a failure in progress' was pure spleen. Bruce knew he was no cornerback before the game, he knew it BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED, so WTF was that ?
And yet Amos, responsible for 3 straight years of utter crap on ST (and it didn't matter as much last year and the one before because the O was clicking and overcame the Amos induced crap) is included in a 'no coaching change' blanket amnesty for any and all sins. Accountability at it's finest.

Bruce, you are a failure. Your offense is a joke. The league has figured out your 230 play offense (that only half sputters because there are so damn many plays that not even Palmer seems capable of remembering them all anymore) and your 'system' is past it's expiration date.

Try picking 70 plays and have the team repeat over and over until they can execute them perfectly, you know, like most winning teams do ?

Better yet, just shut up old man, and go ride off into the sunset.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

If you really think Arians is incapable of adapting, then yes he likely needs to be fired. A great coach adapts.

Agreed 100%.

I do not think he is capable, but that is for the GM to decide. I know Keim likes Arians, but Keim loves Adrian Wilson, and cut him when it came time. Does Keim see his coach as able to manage a roster that is rebuilding/reloading ? As a GM if the Special Teams coach isn't doing the job and you want him gone, then you say so, if the coach says if you fire him, then fire me, then the GM has to make a decision.

I do not think Arians will be fired, but while I think Arians can adapt (and I mean I could see him doing that a little bit) but change ? No. I do not see it happening.

60+ year old coach, self-admittedly playing with house money, and stating this is his last job he is taking ? He is not changing, and he is not scared of being fired either.

And again, as we know, I really like Arians as a coach, but the window on this situation (getting a Superbowl ring with Palmer and company) is closed. I 100% believe the 2017 team is not going to contend, that Palmer and Fitzgerald are not going to be getting any better, and age will take its toll.

Thus the whole transition from 2017 to 2018 is going to be interesting to say the least. Does Arians give it another go ? If not, do you keep him for a rebuild that he will never see the end of ? Is Arians going to have ANY interest in developing a Quarterback, or any younger talent if he is not around to use it ?

All really good questions that I have NO answer to, but in the end Arians is who he is. The Cardinals are the ones that then have to see what they want to do going forward. I have full confidence that Arians can take a contender and will it all. Can he rebuild/reload a roster ? That I am not sure of.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Point taken, RM. apologies.

That said, it seems your argument could be applied to every player or coach or gm. They are who they are so either like it or want them fired or cut. That's awfully black and white.

The best people in ALL walks of life understand flexibility and the need to be capable of adaptation. If you really think Arians is incapable of adapting, then yes he likely needs to be fired. A great coach adapts.

I think BA has shown he can adapt. Look at his offense this year. With Jaron Brown out, John Brown dealing with a disease, Floyd sucking he dialed back on the chuck it deep offense and built his offense around the star of David Johnson.

Hey I just came up with a DJ's new knickname. "The Star of David"

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I think BA has shown he can adapt. Look at his offense this year. With Jaron Brown out, John Brown dealing with a disease, Floyd sucking he dialed back on the chuck it deep offense and built his offense around the star of David Johnson.

Hey I just came up with a DJ's new knickname. "The Star of David"

Sure, but there is adapting, and then there is successfully adapting. Bruce Arians is trying but without your top 3 tackles, your top three 3 WRs, 2 of your top 3 tight ends, it makes it kind of tough.

So is it the players, or the coach ? I dunno, but the coaches track record has been pretty good, and the play on the field has been pretty damning for the players.

 

[WildBB]

He had a lot of bluster and a lot to say in the beginning of the year. The expectations were through the roof. Has there ever been a more demoralizing year? I don't think he can stay because of health reasons. He's a decent coach and a very good motivator who has kept the players accountable. Don't see where he wouldn't demand the same of the staff. We'll see, it will be his decision whether to continue. He's earned that at the very least.