The Denver Game-----My Take:

[kerouac9]

Preseason is totally different, this was a real game with real bullets.

Yup. Add in the fact that the guys that Thomas was facing off against are selling life insurance and running small gyms now, as well.

 

[Buckybird]

Preseason is totally different, this was a real game with real bullets.

Yup. Add in the fact that the guys that Thomas was facing off against are selling life insurance and running small gyms now, as well.

Yeppers! Huggggggge differance. IMO it's a pipe dream this guy is even better than Skelton or Lindley.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

John, the aggravating part to me is that many peeps here think QB gurus like BA & Moore are gonna improve this kids accuracy with footwork. I think they nightly slightly improve him at best.

I still say accuracy is a special talent that only the great ones have. While footwork plays a small factor it's all about anticipation, ball placement & touch. Thomas rarely showed those skills in college & IMO seems to always tries to put too much zip on each pass. IMO arm strength isn't 1 of the top 3 items of importance in being a top flight NFL QB.

Mike,

When Stanton went out I pretty knew unless defense/st did something spectacular the game was over. Thomas was not ready and it showed.

Watching Thomas reminded me of Derrick Anderson. QB with a great Arm but could not hit the side of a barn if he was leaning against it. Jury is still out on Thomas though. Hopefully the coaches can work with him.

 

[Buckybird]

Mike,

When Stanton went out I pretty knew unless defense/st did something spectacular the game was over. Thomas was not ready and it showed.

Watching Thomas reminded me of Derrick Anderson. QB with a great Arm but could not hit the side of a barn if he was leaning against it. Jury is still out on Thomas though. Hopefully the coaches can work with him.

I wouldn't ever get my hopes up. Even DAs college career was better.

 

[john h]

QB

What I liked-----Callais Campbell taking on two Denver linemen every play so that others could pressure Manning, then stepping back to intercept Manning's screen pass AND nearly taking it to the house.

What I didn't like-----the shameful dive at CC's knee by the Denver O-Lineman on the first defensive series after his interception, a BLATANT effort to injure Campbell in retaliation for the interception.

What I liked-----The tenacity of Andre Ellington, playing on a foot with a torn ligament, yet making the defense pay with his gutsy hard work throughout the game. The kid does whatever is needed; (a block in the backfield to keep the rush off our QB); (a perfectly executed sideline pass pattern, punctuated with a juke to cause a missed tackle so that he could turn the reception into a touch down); (the dirty work of packing the ball up the middle of the defense so that they had to respect the run). This kid does it all.

What I didn't like-----The shameful display by Ted Ginn Jr. showing that he has absolutely no intention of having the ball in his hands if there is even the most remote chance that he might be contacted in any way by the opponent. This has continued game after game. It is bad enough that he dropped two passes that were in BOTH hands, (one for a critical third down conversion), but now he is even backing away from a fair catch on a punt. This is a disgrace on a team where others are playing their guts out. He should not be retained after this season, and should not be allowed to continue this charade any further this season.

What I liked-----The promise of really good things to come from some of our rookie players; Daone Buchannan, the Cat Man, the surprisingly decent play of rookie QB, Logan Thomas, who was thrust into his first game as a professional; the tall defensive end whose name I cannot recall, playing in the spot vacated by injured Darnell Dockett.

What I didn't like-----the lack of leadership by Larry Fitzgerald. Early on, his lining up in the wrong spot, causing a time-out to be called to get it right. His two dropped passes, and a third which I will allow as defensed from behind, but was one that he used to catch out away from his body, then pull safely into his chest, (instead of allowing it to be thrown into his chest where it could be batted down from behind). His lazy route running, which allowed for one to nearly be picked for six when he rounded off what should have been a sharp down and out to the flat pass from the slot. The lazy route allowed the defender to simply jump the route because he tipped off where he was going. Thankfully the pick was dropped.

Still, it is abundantly clear that Fitzgerald has NOT yet gotten into the play book to really learn this new offense, even though we are 4 games into the second year in it. He continues to incur the wrath of Coach Bruce Arians, for his continued failure to do so and for his numerous drops. His lazy routes, and allowing the ball to get into his body instead of reaching out to snatch it, shows that he is in NO WAY close to earning the salary he is being paid. I find this troubling to say the least.

This poor play on his part has been overshadowed by pretty stellar play by our wide-outs in other games this year. But with Denver's great pass
coverage on our wide-outs today, we really needed the slot receiver to be effective, and he was not. Mr. Fitzgerald, you need to step up your game, and set the example for the rest of our receiving corps. EARN YOUR KEEP!

What I liked mostly-----the fact that, (with the exception of Mrsrs. Ginn and Fitzgerald), this team did not quit or lay down, or shy away from what was a very sharp and talented Denver team, which was 'on top' of its game today. A Cardinal's win would have required near perfect play, on a day when the roster was simply not capable of accomplishing that feat.

What I didn't like mostly-----The loss on the score board can be endured over the course of the season, but the loss of Campbell with his knee injury, and of Stanton with his concussion, for any protracted time, could jeopardize the entire season.

Saying that Logan Thomas had a good game really tarnishes whatever credibility you have. You had more than 12 hours to think about this, and you decided to give props to a kid who went 1 for 8 because he lofted a prayer that somehow ended up in the hands of Andre Ellington?

What a joke. Thomas looked as bad or worse than Ryan Lindley. Lindley coming in against Atlanta in 2012 Week 10 still managed to go 9 of 20.

Once again it is shown you cannot win in the NFBL without a very good QB. With Palmer ms Stanton we had a chance. A QB like Peyton you always have a chance.

 

[kerouac9]

Once again it is shown you cannot win in the NFBL without a very good QB. With Palmer ms Stanton we had a chance. A QB like Peyton you always have a chance.

But neither of those guys is a "very good QB". Palmer is about average and Stanton is slighly below average.

In the NFL you cannot win with a terrible QB. We've learned that from Blaine Gabbert, Chad Henne (Full Disclosure: I liked Henne a lot), Christian Ponder, Geno Smith, etc., etc., etc. Rex Grossman lead a team to a Super Bowl.

You can go to a Super Bowl when Rex Grossman is your quarterback. When Logan Thomas is your quarterback, you probably aren't going to the Super Bowl.

The best possible scenario is that people actually watched Logan Thomas play football and after doing so no one believes that with a little time and Tom Moore pixie dust that Logan Thomas is going to become Ben Roethlisberger. Logan Thomas was as embarrassingly bad at playing football yesterday as I've ever seen.

 

[Russ Smith]

But neither of those guys is a "very good QB". Palmer is about average and Stanton is slighly below average.

In the NFL you cannot win with a terrible QB. We've learned that from Blaine Gabbert, Chad Henne (Full Disclosure: I liked Henne a lot), Christian Ponder, Geno Smith, etc., etc., etc. Rex Grossman lead a team to a Super Bowl.

You can go to a Super Bowl when Rex Grossman is your quarterback. When Logan Thomas is your quarterback, you probably aren't going to the Super Bowl.

The best possible scenario is that people actually watched Logan Thomas play football and after doing so no one believes that with a little time and Tom Moore pixie dust that Logan Thomas is going to become Ben Roethlisberger. Logan Thomas was as embarrassingly bad at playing football yesterday as I've ever seen.

It's funny, i absolutely hated the pick, I thought he looked bad yesterday too, but not nearly as bad as you did. I fully expected him to be totally baffled out there he has no business playing but due to injury had to.

That said there is something to be said to the idea if he plays again next week it might actually speed up the evaluation process, to where the Cards can either decide yeah there's a chance he can be coached up by year 3, or we need to turn this guy into a TE.

 

[kerouac9]

It's funny, i absolutely hated the pick, I thought he looked bad yesterday too, but not nearly as bad as you did. I fully expected him to be totally baffled out there he has no business playing but due to injury had to.

That said there is something to be said to the idea if he plays again next week it might actually speed up the evaluation process, to where the Cards can either decide yeah there's a chance he can be coached up by year 3, or we need to turn this guy into a TE.

Well, 1 for 8 and the one was an utter miracle is hard to stomach. What did you see that wasn't curling up into a fetal position immediately following the snap of the ball? At least a handful of those other 7 passes were ducks thrown to no one in particular. His best pass of the day might have been where he hucked the ball into the vicinity of Michael Floyd(?) to avoid an intentional grounding penalty.

The fact of the matter is that Logan Thomas is a 4th round pick and was the backup quarterback on Sunday. For comparison's sake, John Skelton--a 5th round pick from Fordham--came in 12 games into the 2010 season and completed 50% of his passes and looked like a guy that might be able to play in the NFL.

The thing is that if Logan Thomas is purely a developmental guy that you don't want to get onto the field, then you need to plan for that eventuality, particularly after Carson Palmer goes down. Get someone in and get him digging through the playbook after Palmer's inactive that first week.

Because for the last three weeks, Logan Thomas has been the backup quarterback for a professional football team, and his performance has not been up to that low standard. Who would you rather have right now, Logan Thomas or Austin Davis?

Austin Davis came in unexpectedly in a week 1 game for the Rams and completed nearly 70% of his passes.

 

[Russ Smith]

Well, 1 for 8 and the one was an utter miracle is hard to stomach. What did you see that wasn't curling up into a fetal position immediately following the snap of the ball? At least a handful of those other 7 passes were ducks thrown to no one in particular. His best pass of the day might have been where he hucked the ball into the vicinity of Michael Floyd(?) to avoid an intentional grounding penalty.

The fact of the matter is that Logan Thomas is a 4th round pick and was the backup quarterback on Sunday. For comparison's sake, John Skelton--a 5th round pick from Fordham--came in 12 games into the 2010 season and completed 50% of his passes and looked like a guy that might be able to play in the NFL.

The thing is that if Logan Thomas is purely a developmental guy that you don't want to get onto the field, then you need to plan for that eventuality, particularly after Carson Palmer goes down. Get someone in and get him digging through the playbook after Palmer's inactive that first week.

Because for the last three weeks, Logan Thomas has been the backup quarterback for a professional football team, and his performance has not been up to that low standard. Who would you rather have right now, Logan Thomas or Austin Davis?

Austin Davis came in unexpectedly in a week 1 game for the Rams and completed nearly 70% of his passes.

If you had told me before the game Thomas would play and throw 8 passes I'd have probably said 2 of them are picked off one of them a picksix. not a fan of his at all but I frankly was surprised he didn't totally crap the bed and throw the ball right to Denver at least twice.

He did look completely baffled, didn't step up, didn't go through progressions etc but then they knew that would be the case when they picked him.

I've said all along I think he's a better TE prospect than he is a QB, I think his arm is very strong and people mistakenly get enamored with that.

I'm not sure what to make of Austin Davis yet I haven't seen him play, he's obviously turning it over too much but 6 TD's and nearly 700 yards passing in his last 2 games is awfully intriguing.

 

[RonF]

Well written Catfish. I don't understand why others can't disagree with your opinion without being disagreeable. But life goes on and so will the Cards.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Saying that Logan Thomas had a good game really tarnishes whatever credibility you have. You had more than 12 hours to think about this, and you decided to give props to a kid who went 1 for 8 because he lofted a prayer that somehow ended up in the hands of Andre Ellington?

What a joke. Thomas looked as bad or worse than Ryan Lindley. Lindley coming in against Atlanta in 2012 Week 10 still managed to go 9 of 20.

Damage his credibility? Come on dude give him a break. It's a rookie quarterback thrust in action ,that throw to Ellington showed his potential the rest showed how unready he is at the moment. But damages credibility ?'Come on...

 

[Darkside]

But neither of those guys is a "very good QB". Palmer is about average and Stanton is slighly below average.

In the NFL you cannot win with a terrible QB. We've learned that from Blaine Gabbert, Chad Henne (Full Disclosure: I liked Henne a lot), Christian Ponder, Geno Smith, etc., etc., etc. Rex Grossman lead a team to a Super Bowl.

You can go to a Super Bowl when Rex Grossman is your quarterback. When Logan Thomas is your quarterback, you probably aren't going to the Super Bowl.

The best possible scenario is that people actually watched Logan Thomas play football and after doing so no one believes that with a little time and Tom Moore pixie dust that Logan Thomas is going to become Ben Roethlisberger. Logan Thomas was as embarrassingly bad at playing football yesterday as I've ever seen.

Stanton is average. Palmer is above average, but not great. Palmer had a bad year last year being in a new system and new team, you can forget the raider year, and in Cinci, I think it's fair to say they were dysfunctional as an organization. They welcomed a lot of punks without even mentioning Chad Johnson. Locker room was a mess.

I really believe in Palmer. And I really believe he can take us to the playoffs and SB and even win one. I know his INT stats. I'm a stat **** really, so I know. But I look at his situation and I look at his mental toughness and I believe he's an above average QB who can win the big game. He has to be in the right situation, but I think this is his nirvana.

Stanton is good dude. I know you think he's only back up material or camp fodder but if our team were healthy we could win with this dude. He's smart. He throws smart balls. Maybe he doesn't throw back shoulder Calvin Johnson wins but he's not going to throw Geno Smith INTS in the end zone and give up points either.

Logan Thomas sucks. He needs more than just 1 year. He may need 2 or 3.

 

[kerouac9]

Logan Thomas's performance Sunday in one graph:

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Surprisingly decent, indeed.

 

[MrYeahBut]

The graph resembles someone throwing the middle finger, which I think is what happened.