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WE must keep Doucet at least for one more year. I must just once in my life witness Kolb going deep while backpeddling to Doucet who is also backpeddling.
 

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Something I don't understand, how can a hot read be a guy 25 yards downfield?

I always thought a hot read was one WR who reads the blitz and breaks his route just a few yards downfield so the QB could get rid of the ball quickly. On that play wouldn't it be the WR at the top of the picture near the 13? If all the WRs are supposed to be shortening their routes because of the blitz why isn't Fitzgerald?
 

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I don't care how bad the pass was, the QB can't cause someone to trip. Doucet is the only one in control of his feet.
 

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Another thing that jumps out to me is that about 3 Cards WR's were open towards the end of that play.

Thing is none of us know for sure which of the WR's was the "hot" one(s) and what said hot route was to be run. Curl, Slant, Fade etc.

I do know that I expect my WR's to be able to back peddle without falling over themselves, not that any routes call for it but basic athleticism does. I also believe that Early makes that play 8 out of 10 times.
 

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Something I don't understand, how can a hot read be a guy 25 yards downfield?

I always thought a hot read was one WR who reads the blitz and breaks his route just a few yards downfield so the QB could get rid of the ball quickly. On that play wouldn't it be the WR at the top of the picture near the 13? If all the WRs are supposed to be shortening their routes because of the blitz why isn't Fitzgerald?
Exactly...
 

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Those still photos also put to rest the argument that Fitz was wide open too. He is obviously covered. I'll bet the house on one thing and that is if that is Larry standing in the endzone that is a TD!!!!
 

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Those still photos also put to rest the argument that Fitz was wide open too. He is obviously covered. I'll bet the house on one thing and that is if that is Larry standing in the endzone that is a TD!!!!


If that were Fitz instead of Early, we'd know whether the pass was catchable or not
 

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Early was going to the goal post, the ball went the other way...... Skelton coulda put a ton more air under that ball and tried to place it better. IMO.

I really think Early let the turf monster bite him there. He had to know that he was all alone, and it led to a typical scatterbrain moment by a less than superstar receiver.

Both are at fault. I have more of an issue with the fumble on the goalline when we kicked the FG. Gotta score the TD there.

I still hate what Skelton does to us. It's Jake all over again. We need something more than that.
 

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It's ridiculous to call for Early's dismissal because of one play. For the most part Doucet has been solid this year even with terrible QB play for most of the season.

The bottomline, and I'll continue express this opinion, is that the QB play is the real problem on this team. Fitzgerald, Roberts, Doucet, Heap, King, Housler, and LSH are more than good enough pass catchers. Could we use another option? Sure, but we have good enough players to win with if the QB can find the open man.

The problem is: Whisenhunt's system is hard for a QB to run with all the in play route adjustments. IMO Whisenhunt gets another year to show that his system can work with a QB not named Kurt Warner.

If we're sitting there in the first round of the 2012 NFL Draft and there is a legitimate QB prospect that has the mental acuity to run Whisenhunt's system, I take the guy and not even blink. We desperately need a QB, even more so than LT, OLB, etc.
 

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Seriously.. who cares what Fitz Sr. has to say about some other WR other than his son??

The bottom line is that Doucet has never been a reliable playmaker in his pro career. Never. He's had a decent season here in 2011, but, in context, he's only improved upon horrible humbers in years past. So now, he's got his stats up to mediocre level...

The trip is simply yet another example of Doucet failing to make a play. Failing to step up in a crucial situation. The game he had in the '09 NFC Divisional playoff when the Cards beat the Packers was incredibly awesome and I really thought was a foreshadowing of better things to come for Doucet... Wrong... He's remained an average at best, to subpar performer his entire career...
 

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Early caught the game winner in Philly. And he had numerous 3rd down plays all season long..... He's a normal #3 IMO. And a low end #2.
 

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Seriously.. who cares what Fitz Sr. has to say about some other WR other than his son??

The bottom line is that Doucet has never been a reliable playmaker in his pro career. Never. He's had a decent season here in 2011, but, in context, he's only improved upon horrible humbers in years past. So now, he's got his stats up to mediocre level...

The trip is simply yet another example of Doucet failing to make a play. Failing to step up in a crucial situation. The game he had in the '09 NFC Divisional playoff when the Cards beat the Packers was incredibly awesome and I really thought was a foreshadowing of better things to come for Doucet... Wrong... He's remained an average at best, to subpar performer his entire career...

IMO he's an average, decent NFL WR. Definitely not worth running out of town on a rail like some on here want to. Solid NFL player who has his ups and downs. Can he be counted on to play? Yes. Is he an elite player? No.

As much as I believe we have solid NFL wideouts, we can't ignore the possibility of drafting a WR in round 1. IMO Wide receiver has stepped to the forefront of NFL positions, behind QB and elite pass rushers.
 

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I know I'm gonna grilled & flamed on this one...but please go back & watch the play in slow-mo. I just saw it replayed on NFL Network & think part of the problem was the throw. I know you guys are already laughing & screaming...but wait.;) Yeah sure Doucet slowed down & didnt continue upfield, but Skelton was hurried & had to move to his right causing the throw to be thrown a second late. Instead of the ball being thrown at Early or inside of a wide open WR, the throw was oustide & on his left causing him to turn & trip.

Watch it again guys without hatred towards Early & I think you might agree. An inaccurate throw that by John IMO. Hell, I'm not even sure Doucet would've even caught it anyways given the throw. Fire away & grill me!!!

My take was he "may" have fallen because he was trying to adjust for the throw. Or he may have just fallen or slipped. Crap happens. I am blaming no one on this other than I am not surprised or calling out anyone. That play was no more important than the 6 games we lost in a row where someone screwed up.
 

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If Doucet doesn't stop his route, he could have picked his nose for 15 seconds before the ball arrived.
 

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IMO he's an average, decent NFL WR. Definitely not worth running out of town on a rail like some on here want to. Solid NFL player who has his ups and downs. Can he be counted on to play? Yes. Is he an elite player? No.

As much as I believe we have solid NFL wideouts, we can't ignore the possibility of drafting a WR in round 1. IMO Wide receiver has stepped to the forefront of NFL positions, behind QB and elite pass rushers.


Agree with this... The game is so heavily tilted toward the passing game. It's almost like what MLB created with steroids and then McGwire and Sosa and Bonds... trying to produce more excitement and more offense. The rules and the refs go out of their way to favor QB's and WR's...
 

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of course, it was the first 'come on, man'.... not that what those clowns say means squat
 
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