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So whats your argument then exactly? The reasons the Coyotes are doing poorly is an unknowable mystery that can't possibly be deduce through logic? Or that the ONLY thing hurting the Coyotes is their continually poor record.

Again, Im trying to make this simple: there are MULTIPLE reasons the Coyotes are struggling. Record, location, NHL being on versus, lack of star power, non traditional hockey market, etc. are all factors. So yes, in my estimation if your argument is "the only thing causing the Coyotes troubles is them being bad" is indeed amazingly ignorant.
 

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The Phoenix Coyotes have filed for Chapter 11 reorganization to implement a court-approved sale of the team under the federal bankruptcy code, the team announced Tuesday.
 

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http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2009/05/05/20090505biz-coyotes0506.html

The Phoenix Coyotes filed for Chapter 11 reorganization today in a move that could allow the franchise to be sold and moved to southern Ontario, Canada.

The National Hockey League team, which has played in metro Phoenix since 1996, has habitually lost money in the desert, first when they shared an arena with the Phoenix Suns in downtown Phoenix and most recently at Jobing.com Arena in Glendale.

The filing included a proposed sale of the franchise for $212.5 million to PSE Sports & Entertainment LP, which would move the franchise back to Canada, to southern Ontario, Canada.

Jim Balsillie, who is co-chief executive officer at Research In Motion, maker of the BlackBerry wireless device, would become the team's new owner.
 

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The Phoenix Coyotes have filed for Chapter 11 reorganization to implement a court-approved sale of the team under the federal bankruptcy code, the team announced Tuesday.


... and Canadian billionaire Jim Balsillie (co-founder of RIM - Blackberry) has offered 212 million for the franchise, contingent on league approval to bring it to southern Ontario.

http://www.rim.com/newsroom/media/executive/index.shtml

Here's the full story:

http://sports.theglobeandmail.com/s...5.wsptcoyotes5/GSStory/GlobeSportsHockey/home
 
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... and Canadian billionaire Jim Balsillie (co-founder of RIM - Blackberry) has offered 212 million for the franchise, contingent on league approval to bring it to southern Ontario.

http://www.rim.com/newsroom/media/executive/index.shtml

Here's the full story:

http://sports.theglobeandmail.com/s...5.wsptcoyotes5/GSStory/GlobeSportsHockey/home

I may be wrong here, but isn't this the same Jim Baisille who tried to buy the Penguins and reached a tenative agreement to purchase the Predators and got shut out both times by the league?

I wouldn't exactly start digging the Coyotes grave just yet. I think Bettman has a committment to keep the team in the Phoenix area. I know for SURE Bettman blocked the Penguin sale to Basille because he didn't want the team moved, I'd expect a similar provision here.

Jerry Bruckheimer, save us!
 
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It would be nice to move hockey back to Canada. 212 million seems a little high for a franchise that was valued at only 86 million dollars or so a few years ago. They must be taking on debt
 
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What city in southern Ontario? Hamilton?
 

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Jerry Bruckheimer? What's he going to do, incorporate the Coyotes into the story line for National Treasure 3?

If he incorporates some of his money in to keeping the team in Phoenix, he can incorporate the Coyotes in whatever movie he damn well wishes.

He's been linked to this team a few times in the past. He, Reinsdorf and other investors would be the saving grace of this team staying in town.
 

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Honestly, anybody who thinks there aren't enough hockey fans in the state have never gone to a game when Detroit or Pittsburgh or the like have been in town. There are lots of hockey fans around, the problem is that the team hasn't done a single thing to make them Coyotes fans. The Coyotes haven't had a playoff series win at all in their existence, and haven't even been there in half a decade. You can probably count on one hand how many cities there are that would still have better than average attendance if their team had gone a dozen years without winning a playoff series. Even in the so-called "traditional markets" it can be that way, just look at Chicago. Years of ineptitude left their building near empty most night, and they're an original six team. All of a sudden they score some top talent in the draft with Toews and Kane and now you can't buy a ticket. There's no substitute for winning, and that's something that has been just far too rare for the Coyotes in order to be successful. Would they be one of the best NHL markets in the country just by performing better? No, but they would be on a whole lot more solid ground than they are today.
 

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What city in southern Ontario? Hamilton?

Yes. He had intentions of moving the Predators and Penguins there. In fact, he began "season ticket sales" for the "Hamilton Predators" before the NHL told him to cease and decist.
 

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Heard about the bankruptcy today and starting doing a little research.

How in the world does one city end up with two identical franchises in the NHL Jets/Coyotes and the NFL Cardinals?

Unreal.
 

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How much coin does Todd McFarlane have lying around? Maybe he can can get involved.

Im guessing he isnt interested in losing 10+ Million a year.

With todays bankruptcy news, it seems to be a certainty that the Yotes are gone. Ive been praying that this would not happen and that someone would step up and fight for this franchise, but it aint gonna happen. Even in the best case scenario, we may have them for one more season if the red tape with the sale of the team drags on a few more months... but thats it.

I have lived and died with this team for the past 10 years... scraping cash together every season so I could at least get partial season tickets, following all the trades and drafts closely, knowing that brighter days were ahead and that the playoff drought couldnt last forever... I guess I was wrong. This is a very sad day. Now there will be no hockey in Phoenix, at all!

RIP Roadrunners
RIP Yotes
 

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Well if the Yotes do move, Id expect we'd see the Roadrunners resurrected down the road in some form and playing at Jobing.com.
 
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I may be wrong here, but isn't this the same Jim Baisille who tried to buy the Penguins and reached a tenative agreement to purchase the Predators and got shut out both times by the league?

I wouldn't exactly start digging the Coyotes grave just yet. I think Bettman has a committment to keep the team in the Phoenix area. I know for SURE Bettman blocked the Penguin sale to Basille because he didn't want the team moved, I'd expect a similar provision here.

Jerry Bruckheimer, save us!

Bettman's nose will be out of joint. But owners who have helped foot the bill in Phoenix will be happy to get this off the books.

No one is going to outbid Basille, and his bridge loan of $17m makes him the number one creditor in bankruptcy proceedings, ahead of both the league and banks.

Hamilton is the likely setting at this point, but word is that, Basille wants to build a new arena a bit closer to his RIM-Blackberry HQ in Kitchener-Waterloo. (for those of you who may know the geography.)
 

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McKenzie: Situation With Coyotes Will Be Messy

Do you know why I went to journalism school?
Because I was too dumb to become a lawyer or an accountant, yet here I am having to make sense of legal and financial issues that are way beyond my pay grade.
So let's see if we can navigate our way through this maze that is the Phoenix Coyotes, Chapter 11 bankruptcy and Jim Balsillie's $212.5 million (USD) offer to purchase (conditional on the franchise being relocated to southern Ontario).
The first thing you need to know is that NHL commissioner Gary Bettman was in Phoenix today, ostensibly to put the finishing touches on an intent to purchase agreement from Chicago White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf, whose intention was to apparently keep the financially-troubled Coyotes in their current home of Glendale, which is also home to Reinsdorf's spring-training baseball facility (a mile away from the Coyotes' Jobing.com Arena). That offer was expected to materialize within the next few days.
We don't know a lot about the Reinsdorf deal but suffice to say it likely wasn't in the $212.5 million range.
In any case, today's events clearly caught everyone, from the Coyotes' staff to the NHL head office, completely off guard.
Coyotes' owner Jerry Moyes, who is in deep debt as a result of his ownership of the franchise, circumvented whatever offer to purchase might have been coming from Reinsdorf by filing for Chapter 11 (reorganization) bankruptcy with an Arizona court. This was obviously done because Moyes was aware that Balsillie was prepared to make an immediate offer to purchase the moment the bankruptcy was filed.
It would seem obvious that Moyes knew that Balsillie's offer of $212.5 million was far more than anything that was coming from Reinsdorf or anyone else who might be interested in keeping the team in Phoenix. As the team's largest unsecured creditor to the tune of more than $100 million – unsecured creditors only get proceeds from the sale after secured creditors are looked after – Moyes knew his best chance of getting remuneration was with a bankruptcy-induced sale proposal from Balsillie.
Balsillie's bid of $212.5 million is what is known as a ''stalking horse bid.'' All that effectively means is that Balsillie's bid officially kicks off an official auction process. If anyone chooses to outbid Balsillie, they must do so by at least $5 million. The bankruptcy court is obliged to accept the highest offer that provides the best financial relief to the secured creditors, which ironically includes the NHL as the second largest ($35 million). It is unfathomable to think anyone would make the $217.5 million offer to keep the team in Phoenix.
But where this starts to get confusing is the conditional aspect of the offer. Balsillie is only prepared to pay $212.5 million as long as the franchise is moved to southern Ontario.
And that is not something, it would appear, that Moyes or Balsillie can arbitrarily achieve on their own.
The question then becomes, can a bankruptcy court in Arizona mandate the NHL to relocate or transfer a franchise in order to satisfy the needs of the Coyotes' secured creditors?
It's an interesting legal question and without putting words in anyone's mouth – no one is commenting anyway – the safe bet is that Balsillie's group believes that's a possibility while the NHL doesn't believe a bankruptcy court can tell it how to conduct its affairs.
In fact, based on the press release issued by the NHL in the wake of the bankruptcy filing, it clear the league questions even more than that.
The wording of the NHL press release suggests the league believes Moyes was perhaps not within his rights to file the bankruptcy claim and that he, by virtue of the NHL monies forwarded to the team since October, may not have been in control of the franchise. In any case, the league said it has now ''removed'' Moyes as an official of the club.
Clearly, the league is at odds with Moyes and vice versa.
We don't need to provide a history of Balsillie's relationship with the NHL, but twice he has attempted to purchase, and relocate, NHL franchises and twice he has failed to accomplish that. Balsillie has demonstrated he's committed to putting a second team in southern Ontario.
For now, the next big development would appear to be coming out of the bankruptcy court, which convenes on Thursday. Although it's quite possible the NHL will mount a legal challenge even before then to challenge Moyes' authority to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy
But let's assume the case does get to bankruptcy court. If the bankruptcy court deems that it cannot enforce the ''relocation'' aspect of the Balsillie offer, then it would be obliged to take the best ''unconditional'' offer. In other words, if someone else – Reinsdorf? – came in and made a lesser financial offer than Balsillie but attached no conditions on location or financing, that offer would ultimately have to be accepted.
But if the bankruptcy court deems it can enforce the ''relocation'' or ''transfer'' of the franchise from Phoenix to southern Ontario, then the sale to Balsillie can be accepted, although you would have to believe the NHL would legally challenge the validity of a court claim of that nature.
Whether the Coyotes' reportedly ''iron-clad'' lease with the city of Glendale is a factor is another issue entirely.
The potential for this to be a legal quagmire appears to be extremely high.
In the meantime, Balsillie will mount a massive and no doubt highly successful public relations campaign to add a seventh Canadian franchise. In fact, as soon as the story broke, Balsillie already had a website – www.makeitseven.ca – up and running. Balsillie will drape himself in the flag and with rampant backing from the majority of Canadian hockey fans, and probably the unofficial support of the NHL Players' Association, beat the drum for the NHL to endorse the move of a financially-troubled sunbelt franchise to a more revenue-friendly venue in the home of hockey.
Where precisely in southern Ontario Balsillie would put the Coyotes remains to be seen. In the past, it has always been Hamilton, but Balsillie's bid this time carefully omitted a specific location and only identified ''southern Ontario'' and an ''unserved'' market. How all that plays out in terms of the Toronto Maple Leafs and Buffalo Sabres remains to be seen.
The NHL, meanwhile, is likely to battle Balsillie on the issue of ''control.'' While the league will get destroyed in the court of public opinion in Canada, it is quite likely to exert what it perceives to be its legal rights on how it does business. That is, the league believes it ultimately controls who owns NHL franchises and where they are located.
To do that, NHL commissioner Gary Bettman will ultimately require the backing of the board of governors, but he has had it in the past. It remains to be seen whether he has it this time, but this has all the makings of a battle royale.
The battle lines are clearly drawn. While Bettman and the NHL will take a beating in that court of public opinion in Canada, one suspects this situation will ultimately be decided in a legal court.

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Location is absolutely a factor. I'm not specifically saying that Glendale is a bad location--I'm saying that the fanbase the Coyotes had cultivated was predominantly on the east side, evidenced (as I understand it) by the zip codes of their season ticket holders. So what happened is that the game moved further away from a lot of the subscribers around the same time the team's performance declined to what we're accustomed to now. I think the club put itself at a competitive disadvantage in relation to the other teams in town, at a point where the sport was already behind the Cards, Suns, and Diamondbacks in terms of coverage. You can't count on the semiannual pilgrimmage of Wings and Hawks fans to make the team competitive. That would just be an old Bidwill strategy,and it doesn't work. You need to capture the fan who will (and can) go see a Tuesday night Coyotes-Predators game.
 

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Here's a few things to keep in mind.

A) Gary Bettman was in Phoenix yesterday, ostensibly to put the finishing touches on an intent to purchase agreement from Chicago White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf, whose intention was to apparently keep the financially-troubled Coyotes in Glendale; which is also home to Reinsdorf's spring-training baseball facility that is located less than a mile away from the Coyotes' Jobing.com Arena). That offer was expected to materialize within the next few days.

B) Balsillie is only prepared to pay $212.5 million as long as the franchise is moved to southern Ontario.

This is not something Balsillie can achieve arbitrarily on his own.

C) It is believed widely that Jerry Moyes was not within his rights to file the bankruptcy claim and that he was not in control of the franchise; by virtue of the NHL monies forwarded to the team since October.

D... and this is the kicker...) The Coyotes have a 30 year lease at Glendale Arena, which is almost 100 percent iron clad. IIRC, the city has been paying the team's lease at the arena since it was opened in 2003.

Is it iron clad locked? No. However in order for the lease to be broken, the only way that lease can be broken under these provisions would be for the team's new owner to pay a 750 million dollar fee.

Point here is this: bet your ass that there's going to be a legal fight with the City of Glendale and the NHL vs. Jim Baisille if he chooses to further pursue this.

What's going to wind up happening is, they're going wind up telling him that the team is his only if he keeps it in Phoenix. Baisille will balk at that, mark my words. There's no way in hell that he's going to be able to afford to fight the league or even THINK of paying the fees of a drawn out case, on top of 750 million bucks to break the lease; and the fee he'd be paying to purchase the team. Sorry, Jimmy B's not going to pay over a billion dollars for the Coyotes.

End of the day, I'm telling you this now. I do think a team will be moved to Southern Ontario, but it's not going to be the Coyotes. Now the Islanders, who are playing in a dilapidated, outsourced hell hole, with an owner who's begging for an out?? That's an entirely different story.
 

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Here's a few things to keep in mind.

A) Gary Bettman was in Phoenix yesterday, ostensibly to put the finishing touches on an intent to purchase agreement from Chicago White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf, whose intention was to apparently keep the financially-troubled Coyotes in Glendale; which is also home to Reinsdorf's spring-training baseball facility that is located less than a mile away from the Coyotes' Jobing.com Arena). That offer was expected to materialize within the next few days.

B) Balsillie is only prepared to pay $212.5 million as long as the franchise is moved to southern Ontario.

This is not something Balsillie can achieve arbitrarily on his own.

C) It is believed widely that Jerry Moyes was not within his rights to file the bankruptcy claim and that he was not in control of the franchise; by virtue of the NHL monies forwarded to the team since October.

This will certainly be part of the argument from league and others who may support this contention. A court, however, has recognized Mr. Moyes as owner an given him leave to declare bankruptcy. The NHL will no doubt appeal.

D... and this is the kicker...) The Coyotes have a 30 year lease at Glendale Arena, which is almost 100 percent iron clad. IIRC, the city has been paying the team's lease at the arena since it was opened in 2003.

The lease, I would gather is between the Coyotes i.e. Moyes and the city. As such, they are merely secured creditors in a bankruptcy and, like others, will be receiving a settlement.

Is it iron clad locked? No. However in order for the lease to be broken, the only way that lease can be broken under these provisions would be for the team's new owner to pay a 750 million dollar fee.

See above.

Point here is this: bet your ass that there's going to be a legal fight with the City of Glendale and the NHL vs. Jim Baisille if he chooses to further pursue this.

Of course...

What's going to wind up happening is, they're going wind up telling him that the team is his only if he keeps it in Phoenix. Baisille will balk at that, mark my words. There's no way in hell that he's going to be able to afford to fight the league or even THINK of paying the fees of a drawn out case, on top of 750 million bucks to break the lease; and the fee he'd be paying to purchase the team. Sorry, Jimmy B's not going to pay over a billion dollars for the Coyotes.

This scenario ignores Moyes bankruptcy proceeding, which if adjudicated in his favour allows him to accept the Basille offer, and begin the settlement process with creditors.

The NHL board can obviously insist that Basille keep the team in Phoenix, or at least deny him a transfer to his preferred location. He will then, no doubt, walk away. Moyes, who would then be forced to accept a lesser amount for the asset, will sue the league for preventing him from making the sale. Somewhat frivolous, but still a likely response.


I'm inclined to believe that anyone who gets hold of the Coyotes will, in short order, be looking for a way out of town. Kansas city?

End of the day, I'm telling you this now. I do think a team will be moved to Southern Ontario, but it's not going to be the Coyotes. Now the Islanders, who are playing in a dilapidated, outsourced hell hole, with an owner who's begging for an out?? That's an entirely different story.

There is little question that southern Ontario can handle having a second team. The Islander thought is an interesting one.

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You know what's sad? This thread has gotten as many replies in a little over 5 days than the entire 2008-2009 season thread got in 7 MONTHS.
 
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Was the lease at Jobing.com a capital lease or an operating lease? I would doubt it was capital, but you never know.
 

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