The Game Losing Play

[kerouac9]

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Unlike Trey MHJ noticed the blitz and got his head around. A rare instinctual play by Marv.

And he's running short of the line-to-gain, just like Kyler likes it.

 

[82CardsGrad]

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The pocket is clearly collapsing as he’s releasing it and he didn’t throw a missle.
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Didn't say he threw a missile and if that's a collapsing pocket, well, I've said enough about Kyler's unwillingness to be the pocket-passer he needs to be in order to be a winner in the NFL...

 

[Russ Smith]

I still say the correct read was Marv on an in route! If Trey was indeed option #1 on the he’s clearly mauled in m2m coverage & a tough completion imo. Go to option #2 which he appears to have time to & it’s an easy TD, unless he drops it. Wide open

That's a size thing IMO. To throw it to Marv he has to throw right over the OL and DL in a condensed field. So he took the wide open guy where he had a clear passing lane.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yup, that replay refutes Russ’ point about there being no room to the outside. There’s plenty of room for kyler to make an accurate throw - throwing his receiver open.

Except Russ didn't say there was no room outside. Russ said that the reason he didn't throw it outside is there's a DB there that MIGHT come off his route. We ran the exact play earlier in the year to Higgins and the CB came off the route and deflected the pass. Tua nearly threw a picksix on that exact route a few weeks ago the CB came off his man and had a pick but dropped it.

That IMO is why he didn't lead him more to the left, he knew the CB there. Is there room yes, but he figured it's easier to just put it where neither the S on Trey, or the CB on Jones can get it. He did, but it was a split second before Trey is looking

 

[Russ Smith]

The throw wasn't too hard. The speed was fine. I understand it looking too much initially because of how the play goes, balls that come off hands and helmets are often thrown with too much on them.

The issue is clearly ball placement. There's nothing else wrong here other than it's a tad early too. It's a good route, there's no hold, it's a very easy pass and should be a TD. If this is made we all shrug and say "That was easy".

It's simply a badly placed ball. If it's a yard wider and lower McBride catches it easily.

how after all these replays and still shots can you still insist there's no hold? He's in the endzone which is beyond 5 yards. By definition ANY contact at that point is a penalty. But he continued the contact after the ball is thrown. It's clearly a penalty but it's close enough to five yards in the endzone the ref probably just said I'll let it go.

I mean just yesterday you told me Kyler should have waited because Trey was getting off the contact, you can't say both that and there's no hold because the contact is past 5 yards

 

[Russ Smith]

K1 throws too high A LOT. Too high is 85% of his throws. And then he is not leading. Either across the field or downfield.

I don't recall this as much in previous years. I'm having Derek "Scud Missle" Anderson flashbacks.

By the goalline it's a height thing IMO. He took the throw that wasn't going to have to go over or around people. it's open, the ball is there, but McBride didn't have his head around because of the contact in the enzone

 

[dreamcastrocks]

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Unlike Trey MHJ noticed the blitz and got his head around. A rare instinctual play by Marv.

Yeah, but would he have caught the contested ball? Experience this year says likely no.

 

[Harry]

K1 throws too high A LOT. Too high is 85% of his throws. And then he is not leading. Either across the field or downfield.

I don't recall this as much in previous years. I'm having Derek "Scud Missle" Anderson flashbacks.

It’s about technique, in part, poor follow through. It’s also about his failure tomremain composed under pressure.

 

[BritCard]

how after all these replays and still shots can you still insist there's no hold? He's in the endzone which is beyond 5 yards. By definition ANY contact at that point is a penalty. But he continued the contact after the ball is thrown. It's clearly a penalty but it's close enough to five yards in the endzone the ref probably just said I'll let it go.

I mean just yesterday you told me Kyler should have waited because Trey was getting off the contact, you can't say both that and there's no hold because the contact is past 5 yards

It's not a penalty. You see that all the time and it didn't impede Trey.

What I said yesterday was that if Trey was held that makes the pass worse, because if not held that pass is behind his head.

 

[Russ Smith]

It's not a penalty. You see that all the time and it didn't impede Trey.

What I said yesterday was that if Trey was held that makes the pass worse, because if not held that pass is behind his head.

It does NOT HAVE TO IMPEDE HIM. The rule is very clear ANY CONTACT BEYOND 5 YARDS is a Penalty. And it absolutely DOES impeded him, it's why he's late. If you see him after the game he says I gotta do a better job of getting open quickly for Kyler, I have to get off the contact faster. If you watch the whole interview he eventually is asked if he thought it was a penalty and he said yes, he went to 2 different refs and both of them said they didn't see a penalty.

Did they call a penalty no, was it supposed to be a penalty yes

 

[Cardinal88]

Watch this video and stop it right when Kyler decided to throw the ball. There wasn't a defender anywhere near him. He still had plenty of time and didn't need to rush the throw at all.

Here’s the deal, I watched the video from to back, back to front, left to right and right to left…

1) Did Kyler throw a missile - no!
2) Was there defensive holding/contact - arguably
3) was MHJ open - marginally
4) Did Rams bring pressure - yes
5) Did Kyler have more time - a little
6) Did Kyler make a good throw - no
7) should TM have caught the ball - best TE in the league would have made a better attempt
8) Did Kyler step into the throw to help with accuracy- no!

At the end of the day, I agree with Harry that Kyler was at least 50% at fault but I feel closer to 60%, 10% on McBride and 30% on Petzing. We had plenty of time and should have anticipated a score so we should have run the ball first to make LA waste a time out. Plus we had two TO left.

 

[BritCard]

It does NOT HAVE TO IMPEDE HIM. The rule is very clear ANY CONTACT BEYOND 5 YARDS is a Penalty. And it absolutely DOES impeded him, it's why he's late. If you see him after the game he says I gotta do a better job of getting open quickly for Kyler, I have to get off the contact faster. If you watch the whole interview he eventually is asked if he thought it was a penalty and he said yes, he went to 2 different refs and both of them said they didn't see a penalty.

Did they call a penalty no, was it supposed to be a penalty yes

I've not heard anyone in commentary or post game talk about the play say that was a penalty. Not one.

Nor is there lots of outrage on here from people who think it was a penalty, which you would expect on a game losing play if it was.

I don't believe it was a penalty, I don't think most others do either.

 

[gimpy]

Was it not a penalty, or was it a penalty that was not called?

 

[Russ Smith]

I've not heard anyone in commentary or post game talk about the play say that was a penalty. Not one.

Nor is there lots of outrage on here from people who think it was a penalty, which you would expect on a game losing play if it was.

I don't believe it was a penalty, I don't think most others do either.

because honestly most of us aren't all that mad we lost because we weren't going to make the playoffs so we are thinking draft.

IT's in the interview on the Cards site at least it was the day after the game. Reporter asks him did you think it was a penalty because he clearly was telling the refs it was, and he said yes, i asked 2 different refs and they both said it wasn't.

You don't believe it was a penalty because that would negate your entire point.

 

[PJ1]

because honestly most of us aren't all that mad we lost because we weren't going to make the playoffs so we are thinking draft.

IT's in the interview on the Cards site at least it was the day after the game. Reporter asks him did you think it was a penalty because he clearly was telling the refs it was, and he said yes, i asked 2 different refs and they both said it wasn't.

You don't believe it was a penalty because that would negate your entire point.

You nailed it. The Kyler screwed up again narrative disappears.

 

[BritCard]

because honestly most of us aren't all that mad we lost because we weren't going to make the playoffs so we are thinking draft.

IT's in the interview on the Cards site at least it was the day after the game. Reporter asks him did you think it was a penalty because he clearly was telling the refs it was, and he said yes, i asked 2 different refs and they both said it wasn't.

You don't believe it was a penalty because that would negate your entire point.

I want to beat the Rams and knock them out of the playoffs. If it was a penalty I would say it was a penalty, as would most of this board.

If we got screwed out of a win due to a bogus non call this board would be raging, but it isn't, because nobody saw anything wrong with it.