The good and the bad

[desertdawg]

I think the O-line must have practiced pretty much exclusively on pass blocking after the QB switch. They did improve a little on that. I can see them getting it together some (as far as the run game) over the bye.

Beanie asked for more touches and surprisingly got them. I wish he a done a bit better, Timmy could have had the same stats and still provided a better pass block(IMO). I like both backs, glad to have them.

 

[Russ Smith]

Agree with most, do not agree with Beanie on the bad list. Yes he asked for the rock after not being used much. He showed some flashes of being the guy we want to see running the football. However the Saints gameplanned for us to run the ball most plays and dared Hall to throw. Using the Bean like we did kept the time of possession (that I said last week would be critical for us to win) even. His contribution in yards may have been dismal but he showed up on key plays in the 4th qt and then the coach called for a pass play on 3rd and inches( with Beanie picking up 9 and a half yards on 1st and 2nd down against a stacked box). People can blast him for shooting his mouth last week but I do know this he helped keep the Saints Offense on the sidelines yesterday and it should be seen as one of the keys to our victory. We didn't get any points but it slowed them down. Try and look at it that way.

And on that 4th down run he was one ankle tackle from breaking it. He crossed the LOS and if that guy on his ankle doesn't bring him down, nobody does. As soon he got up you could see he knew how close he was.

 

[Shane]

Wells did that last season. Hightower was better last season also than he has been the last two weeks. Its' the offensive line.

Can't contain an elite back like AP? The Cards held him to 19 yards on 13 carries last year. 1.4 ypc

What you call breaking one and I call breaking one are not the same. Beanie's longest carry last regular season was for 33 yards. Hardly game breaking IMO. His 42 yarder in the playoffs wasn't really a "game breaker" either.

I agree that you can contain an elite back here and there. that's why i specifically stated this: "Granted it was just 1 game so I'll give it a pass for now. But if Beanie gets 3 or 4 or 5 more games with 15+ plus carries and still can't seem to break a long run or manage more than 4-5 YPC during that time we really need to quit with the "elite" comments."

Anyone can contain an elite runner with scheme and game planning for a game maybe even two. But at some point if a runner is truly elite they are going to make plays and bust long runs for TD's. It's called being gifted.

 

[Shane]

And on that 4th down run he was one ankle tackle from breaking it. He crossed the LOS and if that guy on his ankle doesn't bring him down, nobody does. As soon he got up you could see he knew how close he was.

Thats the problem with Beanie. He has been "close" to breaking one many times. He just seems to always lose his footing or get tripped or barely get tackled. At some point that HAS to change.

 

[Duckjake]

Thats the problem with Beanie. He has been "close" to breaking one many times. He just seems to always lose his footing or get tripped or barely get tackled. At some point that HAS to change.

Is this Shane or K9?

What you call breaking one and I call breaking one are not the same. Beanie's longest carry last regular season was for 33 yards. Hardly game breaking IMO. His 42 yarder in the playoffs wasn't really a "game breaker" either.

Well first you said big run and breaking one, then its only breaking one, and now its only game breaking runs and only according to your definition of game breaking.

What is it?

Timmy broke one for 80 in the Division game against the Saints. That was a big run but it obviously wasn't a game breaker because we lost 45-14. But it was still a big run.

A 25 yard run can be a game breaker in various ways. The biggest/most important run of Hightower's career was for only 6 yards.

We'll never agree on Wells so what the heck.

I just don't think that both Wells and Hightower have forgotten how to run the football since last season so it has to be the oline.

 

[Shane]

Is this Shane or K9?



Well first you said big run and breaking one, then its only breaking one, and now its only game breaking runs and only according to your definition of game breaking.

What is it?

Timmy broke one for 80 in the Division game against the Saints. That was a big run but it obviously wasn't a game breaker because we lost 45-14. But it was still a big run.

A 25 yard run can be a game breaker in various ways. The biggest/most important run of Hightower's career was for only 6 yards

We'll never agree on Wells so what the heck.

I just don't think that both Wells and Hightower have forgotten how to run the football since last season so it has to be the oline.

You are right we won't agree until you come to the realization that Beanie isn't an elite RB. Not yet anyway.

I think he is a good RB who is very talented. But to call him elite which places him in the company of guys like AP and CJ is laughable and an insult to those guys who truly are elite RB's.

 

[Mulli]

You are right we won't agree until you come to the realization that Beanie isn't an elite RB.

I think he is a good RB who is very talented. But to call him elite which places him in the company of guys like AP and CJ is laughable and an insult to those guys who truly are elite RB's.

I think the potential might be there, maybe, but I haven't seen any eliteness.

 

[Shane]

I think the potential might be there, maybe, but I haven't seen any eliteness.

Now that I agree with!

 

[Duckjake]

You are right we won't agree until you come to the realization that Beanie isn't an elite RB. Not yet anyway.

I think he is a good RB who is very talented. But to call him elite which places him in the company of guys like AP and CJ is laughable and an insult to those guys who truly are elite RB's.

Aren't you the guy who was sure that Dewreck Anderson was going to be just fine at QB for the Cards? Sorry, that kills any credibility you might have had in player evaluation.

 

[Duckjake]

I think the potential might be there, maybe, but I haven't seen any eliteness.

You must have missed the Cardinal game in your home town last season.

 

[Shane]

Aren't you the guy who was sure that Dewreck Anderson was going to be just fine at QB for the Cards? Sorry, that kills any credibility you might have had in player evaluation.

I predicted he would have 3500 yards passing this year.

What a laugher that is. My faith in Anderson was more due to faith in this coaching staff turning him around. Not my eyeballs.

 

[Rats]

You are right we won't agree until you come to the realization that Beanie isn't an elite RB. Not yet anyway.

I think he is a good RB who is very talented. But to call him elite which places him in the company of guys like AP and CJ is laughable and an insult to those guys who truly are elite RB's.

When he gets a top offensive line and the coach uses him like an elite back he will be one. Having the talent is only part of the equation.

 

[82CardsGrad]

When he gets a top offensive line and the coach uses him like an elite back he will be one. Having the talent is only part of the equation.

He got 20 carries Sunday... It's the o-line... always has been...

 

[Rats]

He got 20 carries Sunday... It's the o-line... always has been...

One 20 carry game does not make a season. The coach knew he had to get the time of possession back to even and take pressure off of Max. Beanie did that for us. The other team has some pretty good players to. They stacked the box and our line could not block them all. I will take the time of possession battle against what is seen as a top offense.

 

[WarnerHOF]

Beanie is not elite. Physically, he is amazing but a lot of his game is lacking. He can't pass protect or catch passes out of the backfield and I have not seen any vision or patience that suggests he is elite as a runner.

 

[Shane]

Beanie is not elite. Physically, he is amazing but a lot of his game is lacking. He can't pass protect or catch passes out of the backfield and I have not seen any vision or patience that suggests he is elite as a runner.

 

[Mulli]

You must have missed the Cardinal game in your home town last season.

Nope, I was there. It was about a year ago. Remember very good against a D that was in shambles. Not elite.

 

[Duckjake]

Nope, I was there. It was about a year ago. Remember very good against a D that was in shambles. Not elite.

Wells made some outstanding runs in that game. Better than any I've seen from a Cardinal RB in 30 years.

But since you and Shane have decided that only Barry Sanders and Walter Payton were elite backs I can't disagree with you anymore.

So from now on I'll just say Beanie, since he runs better than any Cardinal back since OJ Anderson, is an elite Cardinal RB.

 

[Mulli]

Wells made some outstanding runs in that game. Better than any I've seen from a Cardinal RB in 30 years.

But since you and Shane have decided that only Barry Sanders and Walter Payton were elite backs I can't disagree with you anymore.

So from now on I'll just say Beanie, since he runs better than any Cardinal back since OJ Anderson, is an elite Cardinal RB.

Elite Card running back sure. Capable of elite games? Perhaps.

 

[Duckjake]

Elite Card running back sure. Capable of elite games? Perhaps.

The run he made in Chicago where he left the Bears DB who was waiting in the gap for him tangled in knots was an elite run.

When our guys, regardless of who they are, get 4 carries for 6 yards it is evident it is not the RB it is the offensive line. Especially when they play for a franchise that has not run the ball effectively for most of the last 30 years.

 

[MrYeahBut]

The run he made in Chicago where he left the Bears DB who was waiting in the gap for him tangled in knots was an elite run.

When our guys, regardless of who they are, get 4 carries for 6 yards it is evident it is not the RB it is the offensive line. Especially when they play for a franchise that has not run the ball effectively for most of the last 30 years.

Is this the next thing the magic of Whiz will fix?

 

[Duckjake]

Is this the next thing the magic of Whiz will fix?

Already has. Look at the rushing totals in the NFC playoff games the last two seasons. 590 yards in five games. Not bad for a team that was dead a** last in rushing just 3 years prior to the SB run. Pun intended.