The good news from yesterday’s Browns Bonanza

[moklerman]

Here are the isseus we will now run into.

1-Cleveland will likely take a QB with either 1 or 4.
2-Giants seem more willing to trade the #2 pick if Browns take Barkley 1.
3-Indy is likely to trade out of #3.
4-Broncos likely miss out on Cousins...trade up from or draft a QB at 5.
5-Jets need a QB. #7 isn't a far drop for a team wanting to trade back.
6-Bills now have a need and two firsts to offer.
7-Cardinals will now have to offer more than the Bills to move up from 15 if a team is willing to move that far back. They will also need to offer enough to better an offer made from a team in the top 10.

Something else to consider is trading partners. It isn't just draft capital, teams have to be willing to trade with each other and that isn't always a possibility. Personalities and grudges have to play a part in these dealings. Giants may not deal with the Cardinals(both NFC) as easily as one of the AFC teams. Cleveland may deal with the Cardinals instead of helping one of their conference foes, etc.

 

[Southpaw]

Browns just traded with the Patriots. Gave up former 1st round pick DT Danny Shelton and a 2018 5th round draft pick for Pats 2019 3rd round pick.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...5-first-round-pick-danny-shelton-to-patriots/

 

[Chopper0080]

Something else to consider is trading partners. It isn't just draft capital, teams have to be willing to trade with each other and that isn't always a possibility. Personalities and grudges have to play a part in these dealings. Giants may not deal with the Cardinals(both NFC) as easily as one of the AFC teams. Cleveland may deal with the Cardinals instead of helping one of their conference foes, etc.

...I think trading in division is a consideration, but in conference isn't really a thing.

 

[overseascardfan]

Best hope now if for ARZ to get aggressive and sign Keenum & Glennon and draft a QB at #15. Bridgewater & Bradford are too risky and PHI will assured at least get a 2nd rounder if not more for Foles.

Maybe end up with Keenum, Glennon & Jackson, not ideal but options are disappearing fast to where I think dominoes will fall fast on March 14th.

 

[cardncubfan]

We are going to wind up with AJ McCarron and Luke Falk and will be told about how agressive we were in resolving our QB situation.

I think the Cards will trade for the #1 & take Darnold. Goes against everything they've done in the past & just isn't SK's nature. Just have a gut feeling it will happen though.

 

[oaken1]

Best hope now if for ARZ to get aggressive and sign Keenum & Glennon and draft a QB at #15. Bridgewater & Bradford are too risky and PHI will assured at least get a 2nd rounder if not more for Foles.

Maybe end up with Keenum, Glennon & Jackson, not ideal but options are disappearing fast to where I think dominoes will fall fast on March 14th.

so YOUR idea of aggressive is to sign two sub par quarterbacks then wait to see who falls to us in the draft?

Thats aggressive..?

 

[Solar7]

I think the Cards will trade for the #1 & take Darnold. Goes against everything they've done in the past & just isn't SK's nature. Just have a gut feeling it will happen though.

No trades into the top 5!

 

[slanidrac16]

after a number of trades, including a somewhat forced trade by the Cardinals to ensure that they get 'somebody'.

1) Browns - Saquon Barkley
2) Giants - Sam Darnold
3) Jets - Josh Rosen
4) Bills - Josh Allen
5) Broncos - Baker Mayfield
6) Colts - Bradley Chubb
7) Buccaneers - Quentin Nelson
8) Bears - Minkah Fitzpatrick
9) 49ers - Roquan Smith
10) Raiders - Mike McGlinchey
11) Cardinals - Lamar Jackson
12) Seahawks - Joshua Jackson
13) Redskins - Denzel Ward
14) Ravens - Vita Vea
15) Dolphins - Courtland Sutton



what the Cards should do is pick up Sam Bradford, draft Kyle Lauletta in the 2nd, and resign Gabbert as the 3rd string, emergency guy. They should draft Vita Vea, Quentin Nelson, Roquan Smith, or Joshua Jackson in the first, whichever one is available, in that order as big difference makers.

THIS!

 

[Cheesebeef]

We are going to wind up with AJ McCarron and Luke Falk and will be told about how agressive we were in resolving our QB situation.

blegh. I won't be doing cartwheels over that meh-ness.

 

[Solar7]

blegh. I won't be doing cartwheels over that meh-ness.

I like McCarron as a bridge option, but... yeah, neither will I.

Our big problem here is that almost all of the other teams hold the cards besides us. We have the least money, and the least assets. If we don't get Cousins (and I know, it's unlikely), I'm going to start getting real doom and gloom unless we quickly get McCarron or Bradford.

 

[moklerman]

I like McCarron as a bridge option, but... yeah, neither will I.

Our big problem here is that almost all of the other teams hold the cards besides us. We have the least money, and the least assets. If we don't get Cousins (and I know, it's unlikely), I'm going to start getting real doom and gloom unless we quickly get McCarron or Bradford.

I don't think McCarron is going to be signed by anyone, intentionally, as a bridge QB. He's going to be signed as an extended first round type draft pick. I mean, he's going to be the future for that team, not a mentor, tutor or placeholder for someone else.

 

[bg7brd]

I don't think McCarron is going to be signed by anyone, intentionally, as a bridge QB. He's going to be signed as an extended first round type draft pick. I mean, he's going to be the future for that team, not a mentor, tutor or placeholder for someone else.

Which begs the question...why?

 

[HGC]

Which begs the question...why?

Who's signing him to be anything more than a 1 year bridge or backup? McCarron's best chance of being a starter just traded for Tyrod Taylor.
Keim passed him over 4 times. I doubt he's seen enough in 3 games to do a complete 180 on his initial evaluation.

 

[oaken1]

Who's signing him to be anything more than a 1 year bridge or backup? McCarron's best chance of being a starter just traded for Tyrod Taylor.
Keim passed him over 4 times. I doubt he's seen enough in 3 games to do a complete 180 on his initial evaluation.

the browns also traded Kizer... could bring in McCarron and have him and Tyrod Compete for the starting job

 

[HGC]

the browns also traded Kizer... could bring in McCarron and have him and Tyrod Compete for the starting job

That would make sense. Taylor, McCarron and a rookie.

 

[moklerman]

Which begs the question...why?

Not necessarily saying that's how I view him but I think the general perception is that he's a starter who will finally get a chance, not a roll of the dice. Coming out of college he wasn't a top guy but apparently his grooming and limited playing success is enough for him to be considered legitimate at this point.

 

[AZCB34]

after a number of trades, including a somewhat forced trade by the Cardinals to ensure that they get 'somebody'.

1) Browns - Saquon Barkley
2) Giants - Sam Darnold
3) Jets - Josh Rosen
4) Bills - Josh Allen
5) Broncos - Baker Mayfield
6) Colts - Bradley Chubb
7) Buccaneers - Quentin Nelson
8) Bears - Minkah Fitzpatrick
9) 49ers - Roquan Smith
10) Raiders - Mike McGlinchey
11) Cardinals - Lamar Jackson
12) Seahawks - Joshua Jackson
13) Redskins - Denzel Ward
14) Ravens - Vita Vea
15) Dolphins - Courtland Sutton



what the Cards should do is pick up Sam Bradford, draft Kyle Lauletta in the 2nd, and resign Gabbert as the 3rd string, emergency guy. They should draft Vita Vea, Quentin Nelson, Roquan Smith, or Joshua Jackson in the first, whichever one is available, in that order as big difference makers.

If the Cardinals trade up for Jackson, SK should be dismissed on the spot and the draft completed via Survey Monkey

 

[bg7brd]

Not necessarily saying that's how I view him but I think the general perception is that he's a starter who will finally get a chance, not a roll of the dice. Coming out of college he wasn't a top guy but apparently his grooming and limited playing success is enough for him to be considered legitimate at this point.

I just haven't seen anything from McCarron to believe he's a starting QB.

 

[moklerman]

I just haven't seen anything from McCarron to believe he's a starting QB.

It's not the first time this sort of thing has happened. Rob Johnson, Kevin Kolb, etc. For some reason, some guys have a tiny bit of success and are quickly considered starters. Maybe there's word of mouth from his coaches and enough tape to convince those in the know? And, in this case, maybe my perception is off. But it sure seems like he's being seriously touted as a 2018 starter right now.

 

[Arz101]

With each passing hour, it is looking like Osweiler or McCown as Cards QB :CriesIntoHisPillow:

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[Stout]

That would make sense. Taylor, McCarron and a rookie.

I keep reading options like this for us and other teams, but they aren't options. In this scenario, the rookie would need to be a low-round nobody or an UDFA. Not only would they get no practice time and no real development, they'd likely have to be cut and added to the practice squad. If you want a high-round draft pick QB to develop, they have to be the #2.

 

[HGC]

I keep reading options like this for us and other teams, but they aren't options. In this scenario, the rookie would need to be a low-round nobody or an UDFA. Not only would they get no practice time and no real development, they'd likely have to be cut and added to the practice squad. If you want a high-round draft pick QB to develop, they have to be the #2.

Taylor lasts 6 games before injury or ineffective play forces them to their second option. McCarron sucks so he should last 3 games tops but he is a competent backup.
Dorsey cans Jackson and promotes Haley. Rosen, Allen or Darnold play the duration of the season. Cleveland's prized rookie quarterback should not see the field as long as Jackson is the coach. They really had no choice to bring him back to start the season. Nobody wanted that job.

 

[Stout]

Taylor lasts 6 games before injury or ineffective play forces them to their second option. McCarron sucks so he should last 3 games tops but he is a competent backup.
Dorsey cans Jackson and promotes Haley. Rosen, Allen or Darnold play the duration of the season. Cleveland's prized rookie quarterback should not see the field as long as Jackson is the coach. They really had no choice to bring him back to start the season. Nobody wanted that job.

But they won't have Tayler, McCarron and one of the top rookies all on their roster to begin with. It isn't a realistic scenario.

 

[oaken1]

But they won't have Tayler, McCarron and one of the top rookies all on their roster to begin with. It isn't a realistic scenario.

no... if they go that route it is more likely they draft a guy in the second or third round IMO... Taylor, McCarron, Faulk maybe

 

[HGC]

But they won't have Tayler, McCarron and one of the top rookies all on their roster to begin with. It isn't a realistic scenario.

Why not? They're drafting a quarterback first and McCarron is a free agent.
I don't think McCarron is going to garner anywhere near the interest as the media is reporting. Best case scenario for AJ is a Glennon type contract. I just can't see any GM giving AJ McCarron a deal with multiple years guaranteed.