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The important's of THIS draft...
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fordronken
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Yeah, that took me a while, too.
Errntknght
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Eric, "I guess we're at an "agree to disagree" impasse. I'd rather see the Suns pick up perimeter players who might be able to help them than inside prospects who won't ever get off the bench."
Well, I certainly agree with all that, except, of course, the implication that the converse of the last sentence represents my position. The crux of what we disagree on is whether or not the Suns passed over any useful big men to draft three perimeter players - I think they did and you think not. We may well need a coaching change to get various big men onto the floor but, hey, I like that whole idea. (Next time you want to get in the last word at least try to state what we agree to disagree on in neutral terms.)
Well, I certainly agree with all that, except, of course, the implication that the converse of the last sentence represents my position. The crux of what we disagree on is whether or not the Suns passed over any useful big men to draft three perimeter players - I think they did and you think not. We may well need a coaching change to get various big men onto the floor but, hey, I like that whole idea. (Next time you want to get in the last word at least try to state what we agree to disagree on in neutral terms.)
elindholm
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Well, I certainly agree with all that, except, of course, the implication that the converse of the last sentence represents my position.
Heh!
(Next time you want to get in the last word at least try to state what we agree to disagree on in neutral terms.)
Hey, come on Errnt, no offense intended. If you and I, of all people, can't respect each other, this board is really in trouble.
And just for the record, I was on the Badiane bandwagon on draft day, so the Cabarkapa pick disappointed me. But the thing is, as Joe Mama said, we really don't know squat about any of these players. If the scouting reports were anything to go on, the real draft would always look a lot like the various mock drafts, and it never does.
I guess what we really disagree on is whether the Suns value the inside game enough to puruse anyone more than Stoudemire who can be an inside force. I honestly believe that they do, and I'd guess that you think they don't. I believe that if Tsakalidis weren't such a poor fit for this team, he'd be playing. I believe that if Voskuhl didn't commit stupid fouls quite so often, you'd see Stoudemire less frequently at center. And I believe that if the Suns thought that an inside prospect on the board at 17 was as promising as Cabarkapa, they would have taken him.
In short, I believe that the Suns' fascination with small ball is a product of their not having a good center -- not the other way around. We both know that good inside players almost always go very early in the draft. (Look at it this way: how many teams in the league have more than one quality "inside big"?) I don't think Gadzuric would help the Suns at all; Boozer may turn out to be a unique case, but let's see what happens when he starts playing on a better team.
Oh, and finally, I don't know that we should consider Barbosa a perimeter player ("the Suns passed over any useful big men to draft three perimeter players").
Heh!
(Next time you want to get in the last word at least try to state what we agree to disagree on in neutral terms.)
Hey, come on Errnt, no offense intended. If you and I, of all people, can't respect each other, this board is really in trouble.
And just for the record, I was on the Badiane bandwagon on draft day, so the Cabarkapa pick disappointed me. But the thing is, as Joe Mama said, we really don't know squat about any of these players. If the scouting reports were anything to go on, the real draft would always look a lot like the various mock drafts, and it never does.
I guess what we really disagree on is whether the Suns value the inside game enough to puruse anyone more than Stoudemire who can be an inside force. I honestly believe that they do, and I'd guess that you think they don't. I believe that if Tsakalidis weren't such a poor fit for this team, he'd be playing. I believe that if Voskuhl didn't commit stupid fouls quite so often, you'd see Stoudemire less frequently at center. And I believe that if the Suns thought that an inside prospect on the board at 17 was as promising as Cabarkapa, they would have taken him.
In short, I believe that the Suns' fascination with small ball is a product of their not having a good center -- not the other way around. We both know that good inside players almost always go very early in the draft. (Look at it this way: how many teams in the league have more than one quality "inside big"?) I don't think Gadzuric would help the Suns at all; Boozer may turn out to be a unique case, but let's see what happens when he starts playing on a better team.
Oh, and finally, I don't know that we should consider Barbosa a perimeter player ("the Suns passed over any useful big men to draft three perimeter players").
Chaplin
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Absolutely right, Eric. Backup point was a need--that much is certain. I just can't fathom how Errnt can fault the Suns for drafting for need--on all 3 of these so-called "perimeter players".
Errntknght
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Eric, "I guess what we really disagree on is whether the Suns value the inside game enough to puruse anyone more than Stoudemire who can be an inside force. I honestly believe that they do, and I'd guess that you think they don't. "
You're pretty much right about that. Somehow in the Suns 34 or so years they have consistently been weak in the paint and I don't see how they could have managed that other than by not valuing the inside game enough - in the acquisition of players and coaches. We've had 'finesse team' and 'small ball' and now 'skill ball'... it all sounds a lot the same to me.
You're pretty much right about that. Somehow in the Suns 34 or so years they have consistently been weak in the paint and I don't see how they could have managed that other than by not valuing the inside game enough - in the acquisition of players and coaches. We've had 'finesse team' and 'small ball' and now 'skill ball'... it all sounds a lot the same to me.
