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lets not forget that damien anderson led the nfl last year during the pre-season!PAQ77 said:
The Larry Croom for starting RB campaign
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Bobcat said:But if you agree with Abz what ever you are a very poor judge of talent. Which now you just really proved to me and most people on this forum.
Allan
time will tell! i can see you are an astute pro at judging nfl talent!
perivolaki said:
Did Shipp start as a rookie? The answer of course to that question is no (which is really what this thread is about).
Anderson started one game as a rookie and that was out of desperation due to injury.
Croom will not start unless Bobcat is making the depth chart decisions or Denny Green falls in the shower and cracks his skull on his grantie shower wall.
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Shane H said:time will tell! i can see you are an astute pro at judging nfl talent!
My roomy in college is an NFL Head Coach!!! We still do communicate!!!
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Dennis Erickson? Is that right?Bobcat said:My roomy in college is an NFL Head Coach!!! We still do communicate!!!
Allan
I think i remember something like that.
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Here is what the writers say.
Positives: Compactly built with good upper and lower body muscle definition … Has a quick initial step, keeping his feet and showing good lateral agility turning the corner … Natural runner with the vision to quickly find the crease, showing the instinctive reaction skills and moves to easily cut back when the rushing lanes are clogged … Despite his size, he is physical when picking and sliding through the line of scrimmage … Can elude the opponents turning the corner, working well through space to avoid tacklers … Very tough to deliver a solid hit on, as he uses his hip swerve and wiggle to make defenders miss … Does a good job of securing the ball … Effective route runner who knows how to work through press coverage to get open … Catches with ease, showing proper arm extension to grab the ball at its highest point … Willing blocker who will sacrifice himself to protect the quarterback … Vocal leader who can also handle return duties in an emergency … Very hard worker in the weight room and will give total effort, whether in practices or games.
Negatives: Lacks ideal size, but is a good natural runner … Shows good numbers in the weight room, but does not have the playing strength needed to consistently power through the initial tackle … Elusive runner, but lacks the acceleration to escape defenders on long runs (gets limited production after contact) … Willing blocker, but shows only marginal explosion on his blocks (does not have the size or strength, but is not shy to face up and is quick picking up the blitz).
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Positives: Compactly built with good upper and lower body muscle definition … Has a quick initial step, keeping his feet and showing good lateral agility turning the corner … Natural runner with the vision to quickly find the crease, showing the instinctive reaction skills and moves to easily cut back when the rushing lanes are clogged … Despite his size, he is physical when picking and sliding through the line of scrimmage … Can elude the opponents turning the corner, working well through space to avoid tacklers … Very tough to deliver a solid hit on, as he uses his hip swerve and wiggle to make defenders miss … Does a good job of securing the ball … Effective route runner who knows how to work through press coverage to get open … Catches with ease, showing proper arm extension to grab the ball at its highest point … Willing blocker who will sacrifice himself to protect the quarterback … Vocal leader who can also handle return duties in an emergency … Very hard worker in the weight room and will give total effort, whether in practices or games.
Negatives: Lacks ideal size, but is a good natural runner … Shows good numbers in the weight room, but does not have the playing strength needed to consistently power through the initial tackle … Elusive runner, but lacks the acceleration to escape defenders on long runs (gets limited production after contact) … Willing blocker, but shows only marginal explosion on his blocks (does not have the size or strength, but is not shy to face up and is quick picking up the blitz).
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Saw the replay of the game today and one of the few things that impresssed me was Croom. When pointing out he is playing against third string etc,please don't forget he is also running behind third string players.
The guy has that natural running ability that I saw in Shipp when everyone was telling me he wasn't near as good as Thomas Jones and he was from UMass etc.
I hope we have something with this kid.
The guy has that natural running ability that I saw in Shipp when everyone was telling me he wasn't near as good as Thomas Jones and he was from UMass etc.
I hope we have something with this kid.
AZCB34 said:
No but then I doubt you watch pilots fly airplanes on TV for 3-9 hours every Sunday 16 weeks a year. And I doubt you read the Boeing message board every day. And I doubt you subscribe to 757's Illustrated or Co-Pilot weekly.
Therefore I doubt that you and your pilot friend talk about how to fly a 757. I'd bet you talk FOOTBALL!
Bobcat said:My roomy in college is an NFL Head Coach!!! We still do communicate!!!
Allan
My goodness I never knew this. You are so right you are completely qualified to judge NFL talent now, thanks so much for sharing! For that reason you are probably doing that for work as we speak. Making 6 figures huh?
Gosh Im so sorry I doubted you
Shane H said:My goodness I never knew this. You are so right you are completely qualified to judge NFL talent now, thanks so much for sharing! For that reason you are probably doing that for work as we speak. Making 6 figures huh?
Gosh Im so sorry I doubted you
I don't personally know any NFL head coaches or 747 pilots...but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night!
(I really didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn...sorry, I lied).
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Scobey is the real deal! Croom did well, but he was facing 3rd stringers and wasn't catching kick returns just before taking handoffs... not to mention Scobeys individual speed and strenght numbers.... Once DG removes Scobey from KR duty, we'll get a better feel for why he is so amazing at duking and sliding past #1 kick return coverages facing top NFL coverage.
When Scobey was drafted in the 6th round of the 2002 draft, he was initially projected as a 2nd rounder. Listed ahead of D. Foster and C. Portis on both the Panthers and Broncos draft boards... reason they didn't pick him was because of his lack of college experience and agent. He was still one of the top prospects and only because of previous preseason injuries... has he not already started.
Scooby-Doo will show is real potential this Saturday against the Chargers. He is solid at picking up pass rushers, and has a natural ability to slip into the flats... problem is McCown is rushing his throws out of the pocket and not checking down to his RB... the checkdown to the RB is a major focus of DG's offensive scheme... and Scobey plays the pattern with excellent vision... he is also much quicker to the hole and has the strength and speed to take it to the house every time he touches the ball. Emmitt (Being the experienced guy he his) recognizes McCown's nervousness in the pocket and his calling for McCown faster.. he is also acting more as the leader in the huttle (which is not a good thing)... Dennis Green is a smart coach and he's building a team on speed and strength with quality talent... but that means there will be stumbles along the way.
Emmitt Smith needs to step aside and become a mentor to a talented Scobey. McCown needs to take charge of the huttle and the offense must "Run the damn ball" more. Running the ball more means you need a solid RB that only plays RB. Scobey has the credentials and the talent... this week he'll get his chance and this board will light up with the results.
D. Anderson is a good situational back, that can come in on short term relieve and provide a spark on 3rd downs... but if he was to play every down... he'd become quite ineffective by the 4th quarter when you need your RB to get stronger. He's also weak at picking up the blitz and lacks bursting speed. Good offensive teams need a RB that can strike fear into the defence. Scobey's ability to take it to the house.. does just that... no other RB in the cardinal backfield has that ability... Croom still needs seasoning.
Larry Croom is VERY RAW ! Anyone that believes you could start this guy against a 1st string defensive line in the NFL without getting your QB killed is NUTS. Look at what happened in Washington last year... Candidate is actually better at blitz pickup than Croom. Another solid point is that it is not only the QB that gets injured when the RB play is soft at blitz pickup... You'll slao see alot of WR injuries... this happens because of early ball release by the QB... forcing WRs to extend for early thrown balls.. drastically increasing the risk of twisted ankles and sprained knees. Neither croom nor Anderson are capable and Emmitt's age wears against him... his mind knows what to do, but every time he gets up from the ground, he gets a little bit more worn down and thus VERY prone to injury.
Smarten up people... the problem the Cardinals face is line protection from mediocre RB play and horrible O-Line protection... none of the RB's are getting the holes opened against decent 1st string defenses (sorry but the Vikings are not a top run NFL defence)... just picture what the Ravens will do to the skill position players if these bums on the o-line continue to play soft.
The injuries we've seen to date (excluding Boldin) can be traced to the O-Line's pathetic ways.. that's why DG dismissed one of these FAT lazy coksuckers already.
As for skill position players... you always want the guy with the best credentials on the field... the Cards with the best credentials for 2004 are McCown, Abandej#*?, Scobey, Jones, Boldin*, Gilmore, Fitzgerald (with Boldin out we need Johnson back soon). These guys are a terrific offensive unit, but only if that o-line plays well. For years people have talked about the Cards having a strong O-Line.... but can anyone show me one thread of evidence to proof this point. The guys are Fat Lazy and overpaid... Cardinal Fans should be screaming from the rafters for the club to do something with these BUMS..
Hats of to DG for recognizing the Cancerous O-Line in Phoenix... only when this issue is resolved can the Cards offense show its real ability.
Run Scooby-Doo Run....
When Scobey was drafted in the 6th round of the 2002 draft, he was initially projected as a 2nd rounder. Listed ahead of D. Foster and C. Portis on both the Panthers and Broncos draft boards... reason they didn't pick him was because of his lack of college experience and agent. He was still one of the top prospects and only because of previous preseason injuries... has he not already started.
Scooby-Doo will show is real potential this Saturday against the Chargers. He is solid at picking up pass rushers, and has a natural ability to slip into the flats... problem is McCown is rushing his throws out of the pocket and not checking down to his RB... the checkdown to the RB is a major focus of DG's offensive scheme... and Scobey plays the pattern with excellent vision... he is also much quicker to the hole and has the strength and speed to take it to the house every time he touches the ball. Emmitt (Being the experienced guy he his) recognizes McCown's nervousness in the pocket and his calling for McCown faster.. he is also acting more as the leader in the huttle (which is not a good thing)... Dennis Green is a smart coach and he's building a team on speed and strength with quality talent... but that means there will be stumbles along the way.
Emmitt Smith needs to step aside and become a mentor to a talented Scobey. McCown needs to take charge of the huttle and the offense must "Run the damn ball" more. Running the ball more means you need a solid RB that only plays RB. Scobey has the credentials and the talent... this week he'll get his chance and this board will light up with the results.
D. Anderson is a good situational back, that can come in on short term relieve and provide a spark on 3rd downs... but if he was to play every down... he'd become quite ineffective by the 4th quarter when you need your RB to get stronger. He's also weak at picking up the blitz and lacks bursting speed. Good offensive teams need a RB that can strike fear into the defence. Scobey's ability to take it to the house.. does just that... no other RB in the cardinal backfield has that ability... Croom still needs seasoning.
Larry Croom is VERY RAW ! Anyone that believes you could start this guy against a 1st string defensive line in the NFL without getting your QB killed is NUTS. Look at what happened in Washington last year... Candidate is actually better at blitz pickup than Croom. Another solid point is that it is not only the QB that gets injured when the RB play is soft at blitz pickup... You'll slao see alot of WR injuries... this happens because of early ball release by the QB... forcing WRs to extend for early thrown balls.. drastically increasing the risk of twisted ankles and sprained knees. Neither croom nor Anderson are capable and Emmitt's age wears against him... his mind knows what to do, but every time he gets up from the ground, he gets a little bit more worn down and thus VERY prone to injury.
Smarten up people... the problem the Cardinals face is line protection from mediocre RB play and horrible O-Line protection... none of the RB's are getting the holes opened against decent 1st string defenses (sorry but the Vikings are not a top run NFL defence)... just picture what the Ravens will do to the skill position players if these bums on the o-line continue to play soft.
The injuries we've seen to date (excluding Boldin) can be traced to the O-Line's pathetic ways.. that's why DG dismissed one of these FAT lazy coksuckers already.
As for skill position players... you always want the guy with the best credentials on the field... the Cards with the best credentials for 2004 are McCown, Abandej#*?, Scobey, Jones, Boldin*, Gilmore, Fitzgerald (with Boldin out we need Johnson back soon). These guys are a terrific offensive unit, but only if that o-line plays well. For years people have talked about the Cards having a strong O-Line.... but can anyone show me one thread of evidence to proof this point. The guys are Fat Lazy and overpaid... Cardinal Fans should be screaming from the rafters for the club to do something with these BUMS..
Hats of to DG for recognizing the Cancerous O-Line in Phoenix... only when this issue is resolved can the Cards offense show its real ability.
Run Scooby-Doo Run....
I thought that Emmitt looked real good until the injury.
Josh Scobey did nothing to impress me. Although he looked good returning kicks.
Anderson looked good. He made a couple nice runs and picked up the blitz pretty well.
Croom looked good against the third stringers. I'd like to see what he can do against better competition.
Josh Scobey did nothing to impress me. Although he looked good returning kicks.
Anderson looked good. He made a couple nice runs and picked up the blitz pretty well.
Croom looked good against the third stringers. I'd like to see what he can do against better competition.
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I have a hard time believing that Scobey was rated higher than DeShaun Foster (D2, 2002) by the Panthers.
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Josh Scobey was rated higher than Deshaun Foster by John Fox and the Panthers.... Scobey was also ranked higher than Clinton Portis by both Shanahan and Butch Davis... in fact only William Green in Cleveland was ranked higher on the draft board (Cardinal Mgmt. considered Scobey the steal of the draft when they landed him) as for Croom, Anderson, etc. ..if these guys were free agents tommorrow... they'd stay in the trash heap... Footbal is an ART, its not just about running around with your head cut off. Emmitt was drafted to teach the ART of the game to the future stars in Arizona... Scobey is that future star... to succeed in the NFL you need Intelligence, Speed and Strength.... look at his combine #'s from 2002... and he's even stronger and faster now ! Bench Press 400lbs, Dead Lift 884lbs, Ran a 4.42, vertical leap of 42.5".... This kid is the best athelete on the Cardinals roster, not to mention that he is also a Budhist that does not "Party" or waste his life.. the kid is also a smart guy.. his grade point average where he starred at KSU was excellent... Lets get serious about the game and give our best people the opportunity they deserve. Give Scobey the damn Ball !!!!!!!!! and make those Fat Ass Lineman block some of those defenders.
Remeber Scooby-Doo had runs of 4 and 6 yards against the 1st string defence in the only 2 handoffs that he took that did not occur directly after he handled a kickoff return... If you ever played the game , you would know that KR are exhausting (esp. when you're expected to play RB in the next offensive series...) DG knows better than to continue to have Scobey return kicks and then handle the RB job... I suspect Jason m. will take the KR on Saturday.... a fresh Scooby-Doo will be very dangerous... capable of becoming the "identity" of the Cardinals. With Boldin out... the Cardinals must find someone to be their identity... DG will turn to Scobey to be that identity.
Remeber Scooby-Doo had runs of 4 and 6 yards against the 1st string defence in the only 2 handoffs that he took that did not occur directly after he handled a kickoff return... If you ever played the game , you would know that KR are exhausting (esp. when you're expected to play RB in the next offensive series...) DG knows better than to continue to have Scobey return kicks and then handle the RB job... I suspect Jason m. will take the KR on Saturday.... a fresh Scooby-Doo will be very dangerous... capable of becoming the "identity" of the Cardinals. With Boldin out... the Cardinals must find someone to be their identity... DG will turn to Scobey to be that identity.
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I really liked what I saw from Crooms. The kid has some good moves and looks to have the speed to get to the outside. I am not sold on him yet, but I am excited to see what he develops into over time.
MadCardDisease said:
I agree totally.
Scobey reminds me of Pittman with the choppy steps and running into the back of offensive linemen.
Anderson is a much more polished rb than either Scobey or Croom.
Croom reminds me a little bit of Shipp.
If anything happens to Smith ( which it will), Anderson gives us the most all around threat. I don't know if he could stand up to 20 carries a game.
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