The most interesting part of the Raja clothesline

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D-Dogg, you have been a good poster for the Lakers the entire series - but let's back down for a second. First -Lamar is three times the size of Nash, Raja and Kobe are same size. Second, Kobe made that throw down look worse than it was, thirdly, of course fans are going to cheer - They hate Kobe.

No Suns fans in their right mind will say that the throw down was smart by Raja or a move that they look forward to seeing again. However, I personally would love to see someone throw "the rapist" around in the hallways after the game, when nothing was on the line, and no witnesses. Bad people deserve payback - in this life or the next, it is coming.

To me - The most interesting part of the Raja clothesline is that he actually did it. I always thought of Raja as the guy who got under the skin of others and kept his cool. I was very disappointed in his reaction... knowing that we would lose him for Game 6... I thought it was going to cost us Game 5.
 

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D-Dogg said:
More interesting, and I can't believe I JUST noticed this...but the clothesline happened at the same (almost) exact point that Kobe hit the game winner in Game 4. Weird?
game 4 wasnt in phx so i dont see how it could be the exact same spot.
 

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D-Dogg said:
BTW, what kobe "deserves" is a second round matchup with the Clippers. The guy you are so "happy" about him clotheslining him in one of the cheapest shots I've seen in the last 20 years has just given him a great shot at getting it.

Gimme a break. You are just being myopic and melodramatic. Kobe did a lot to accentuate that, much like some of the flops that the Suns and Spurs do. Was Raja deliberate? Yes. Was it a dangerous thing for him to do? Not really. Kobe put a little acting into it, but that's what any player should do with that. What Raja did was not even one of the cheapest shots of these playoffs, let alone 20 years. Regiie Evans on Chris Kaman was much worse. Luke Walton on Tim Thomas was much worse. Going back a few years, John Starks on Shawn Marion was much worse. Greg Anthony on Kevin Johnson was much worse. Danny Fortson on anybody is much worse. Sounds like the only person who needs a "woobee" is you....
 

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Bell is going to get suspended for sure?

I watched the highlights. Is that the one where Bell threw Kobe down the floor when he tried to stop Kobe from penetrating?

As Reggie Miller used to say "that's good playoff hard foul". Kobe wasn't even in the air. hahaha. Oh, man, you gotta admit it's fun to see what Bell did. FINALLY somebody took it out on Laker who's been getting away with too many things. All those Kobe finger pointing and yelling just annoy the hell of me. Thanks, Bell.

Oh well, game 6 will be great. No Bell and injured Tim Thomas. No Amare, No Kurt Thomas. Hey, what's next? ;)
 

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D-Dogg said:
Kobe has learned a lot from Phil..he's going to be a very good coach.

Maybe for the Suns!! :eek:

This is trolling by the way.
 

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I notice how DDog responds to other's posts that he can use to inflame the board. I was in another thread and made reasoned non-homer posts and he ignored them completly. He's just trying to incite something here, IMHO.
 

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He absolutely is trolling. The more I read of his posts the more I lean towards banning him until Monday next week.
 

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Just so everyone knows, a Suns fan got banned yesterday as well.

I am being MORE than even handed here. The administrators of this board felt things were out of hand on this board. If you don't like it, don't post here. Period.

You are a guest in someone's home. Abide by their rules or go find somewhere else to play. You get a free pass this one time ABomb.
 

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Bell is an absolute *******. I can't stand Kobe, but mentally he is clearly light years ahead of the Suns in terms of playoff basketball.
 

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D-Dogg said:
... is watching the crowd reaction. You have old ladies put their hands to their mouths in shock. You have some nimrods cheering, then you have these two absolute idiots in black behind the Suns bench hi-five each other like they are at a boxing match. They loved it. Sick.

You can hate Kobe all you want, but if a Laker clotheslined Nash like that, I'd say suspend him immediately, and sure wouldn't be high-fiving a roided out buddy like it was a very neat play.

Freaking idiots.

HD is great.

And if (when it does in gm6) it had happened in LA the crowd there would have done the exact same thing. You're full of it if you think otherwise.
 

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in this game ya reap what ya sew and kobe had it comin to him if the ref's weren't gonna regulate the Bow throwin
 

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Renz said:
Probably some PWI involved, seeing as it was 2:00 AM. :D

Is he banned from all forums or just the Suns?

Sadly I can't ban from just the Suns forum. It's only a day so it should be okay. He can still read the forums, just not post.
 

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I have watched the video a few times from different angles. Last night I thought for sure the term "clothesline" applied, but I am starting to think that Kobe played it up pretty good. Not that I'm defending Bell's actions but Kobe should win an Oscar for that performance
 

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BillsCarnage,

Can you please not taunt and troll people I have banned for trolling. Thanks.
 

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Bell's toll could be suspension
By Marc Stein, ESPN.com

Even when they lose now, they win.

In this series?

Even when they're forced to absorb a Kwame Brown bombshell before the Game 5 tip.

Even when they've given in to the complacency that comes with a 3-1 fairy-tale lead over the No. 2 seed.

Even when they've played the final 3:11 without an ejected Kobe Bryant.

The Los Angeles Lakers found themselves dealing with all of that Tuesday night and departed U.S. Airways Center having incurred a 114-97 pounding from the Phoenix Suns to force a Game 6 back in L.A. on Thursday.

Not that the Suns could celebrate too wildly.

Their offense finally looked Sun-like, and Boris Diaw racked up a near triple-double (25 points, 10 boards and nine assists) after collecting his Most Improved Player trophy, but they departed the scene with plenty to sweat themselves. Reason being: It's hard to imagine Phoenix will be dressing Raja Bell, its second-best player throughout this series, for the game they need to win to keep the season going.

The normally steady Bell took an uncharacteristically foolish risk by clotheslining Bryant with his left arm with 7:33 to play and the Suns up 14. The hit came in response to an elbow to Bell's jaw from Bryant minutes earlier, and Suns coach Mike D'Antoni said taunting from the Lakers' bench was another trigger, but there was little doubt which hit looked more forceful and premeditated.

So...

Compared to infractions earlier in the playoffs that resulted in one-game suspensions for Sacramento's Ron Artest and Miami's James Posey, Bell will be fortunate if he isn't hit with more than a one-game ban.

It would seem only two forces can save him from missing Game 6.

No. 1: The utter unpredictability from a league office that suspended Artest and Posey but didn't assess Denver's Reggie Evans more than a fine for grabbing the privates of Clippers center Chris Kaman.

No. 2: A most atypical reaction to the foul from Bryant and Lakers coach Phil Jackson.

Kobe and Phil, in fact, stunned observers here by making a co-plea to commissioner Stern to spare Bell from suspension.

"We want him out there," Jackson said. "We want their full team out there to play. It's the only way to do it. You have to earn what you win."

It came across as a noble stance, especially given Jackson's well-chronicled status as a pioneer in the art of calculated quotes at the post-game dais to work the refs for the next game. If you're looking for the ulterior side of it, maybe Jackson wants to make sure the home crowd has a target. Maybe he just wants to make sure Kobe's at his edgiest. Bryant, after all, also says he's rooting against a suspension, insisting that Tuesday's escalation in his season-long tiff with Bell "actually excites me."

You can understand, though, why the Suns are nervous. They remain convinced that they've been dealt several scroogies in this series, most notably the midcourt tie-up in overtime of Game 4 from which replays suggest that (A) Steve Nash was fouled before a jump ball was forced; (B) Boris Diaw should have been granted the timeout he was screaming for just a few feet away from Nash and referee Bennett Salvatore; and (C) Luke Walton's foot was out of bounds when he tied Nash up. But they also know how vicious Bell's hit looks when you watch that replay.

Which is why Bell, in another unusual response to such situations, showed up unannounced to the interview room here to take a turn on the dais, too.

To apologize.

"It was a bad play on my part," Bell said. "I overreacted. ... It's been a pretty physical series, and at that point in time I had caught another elbow in my jaw. I lost my head and overreacted to it. I can't really blame anybody for what happened."

Said Nash: "Everyone on television [Charles Barkley, namely] asks for more physicality and all the critics say we aren't tough enough, and then push comes to shove and now you want to say [Bell's hit] is disrespectful to the game. ... It's a very fine line, and I think a lot of guys make plays they regret.

"In this series, we haven't had many calls go our way," Nash continued. "...Kwame Brown elbowing Raja or standing over Boris or Kobe pushing Boris into Smush Parker ... I don't understand what the real difference is in all these plays. But they're going to single out this play because it's against Kobe, and that's just a real shame."


If so, Phoenix will deeply regret not putting the Lakers away after pushing the lead all the way up to 84-62 late in the third. The Suns then eased up (or inexplicably tightened up again) at the start of the fourth and saw their cushion promptly sliced to 86-73. That forced them to keep Nash in the game for most of the final quarter, when he really could have used some extra rest, and it kept Bell and Bryant going at it.

If the margin between the teams stays in the 20s, maybe their jostling is postponed until Thursday ... instead of reigniting.

If the league rules how Nash fears, Phoenix will have lost big on the night it finally won big.
 

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