The Nets are trying to pry Stromile Swift from Houston

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December 15, 2005 -- NET NOTES

The Nets are trying to pry Stromile Swift from Houston. They are concerned about Jason Collins and now have Marc Jackson wondering whether he'd be better off somewhere else after he was benched last night.

Fun team, huh?

Yesterday, multiple league sources claimed the Nets and Rockets discussed a deal involving Swift for Jackson and a first-round pick, a deal that did not interest Houston. But the Nets are expected to intensify their quest as concern grows over Collins, who will undergo additional tests on his leg today.

Why couldn't we do something like this. Houston is at least talking to the Nets. :shrug:
 
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hcsilla said:
You mean what?
A young center for our team. Apparently NJ is going to end up doing it without hurting their core players. We have trade exception, draft picks, etc. :shrug:
 

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sorry maybe i am not understanding what you are asking for. are you say that we give some hardworking player who will do everything in his limited abilities to help the team win in trade for a player who has all the gifts in the world but totally lack any heart, or give some player with all the gifts in the world and no heart for some hard working give it all for the team player? if it is the first one why would we want them if it is the second i really dont think we have any players like that this year.
 

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I'd trade James Jones and Jim Jackson for Stromile Swift. Who seriously thought that an unrefined, super athletic big man would ever work in a Jeff Van Gundy-Yao Ming offense? Swift would be an extremely useful player for us for about 25-30 minutes a game.
 

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I don't know about Swift. For several years, he's had every opportunity to show that he can keep his head in the game on a regular basis, and it hasn't happened. Basically you're talking about someone who spent his entire rookie contract stuck behind Lorenzen Wright, who isn't exactly a world-beater.

Also, seeing how much the Suns are struggling right now without Jones, I'd be pretty squeamish about giving him up for someone with so many question marks.
 

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elindholm said:
I don't know about Swift. For several years, he's had every opportunity to show that he can keep his head in the game on a regular basis, and it hasn't happened. Basically you're talking about someone who spent his entire rookie contract stuck behind Lorenzen Wright, who isn't exactly a world-beater.

Also, seeing how much the Suns are struggling right now without Jones, I'd be pretty squeamish about giving him up for someone with so many question marks.

Well, here's how I look at it. Jim Jackson basically doesn't exist this year. And if during the offseason somebody asked me "would you rather have James Jones or Stromile Swift?", I'd say Swift. He's a super athletic big man who would really benefit from playing in a system like this and with a group of good guys who share the ball. Also, going at Amare Stoudemire later in the year in practice will have to help with something.

James Jones is a player I like a lot who is a very good shooter and decent team defender. But I'd rather take a chance on an athletic big guy on a running team.
 
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scotsman13 said:
sorry maybe i am not understanding what you are asking for. are you say that we give some hardworking player who will do everything in his limited abilities to help the team win in trade for a player who has all the gifts in the world but totally lack any heart, or give some player with all the gifts in the world and no heart for some hard working give it all for the team player? if it is the first one why would we want them if it is the second i really dont think we have any players like that this year.
Boris Diaw supposedly had no heart or talent for basketball according to Atlanta. Yet he's thriving here. I have to concur that maybe Stromile hasn't been in the right system yet. ;)
 

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Yuma said:
Boris Diaw supposedly had no heart or talent for basketball according to Atlanta. Yet he's thriving here. I have to concur that maybe Stromile hasn't been in the right system yet. ;)

While Houston isn't a good system for him, Memphis sure as heck was, and he couldn't succeed there.

Stromile Swift? No thanks.
 

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Chaplin said:
While Houston isn't a good system for him, Memphis sure as heck was, and he couldn't succeed there.

Stromile Swift? No thanks.

What made Memphis a good situation for him? Having Jason Williams as his point guard? Playing alongside a methodical big man and a bunch of old stiffs? Having James Posey and Shane Battier on the perimiter to open things up for him?

As for the system itself, it's not much to write home about. Lots of rotations, slow down offense...huh? I'm not saying he'd be an all star in Phoenix. I just think he'd be about twice as effective as Steven Hunter was last year, whereas James Jones is a good talent that's easier replaced.
 

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What made Memphis a good situation for him? Having Jason Williams as his point guard? Playing alongside a methodical big man and a bunch of old stiffs? Having James Posey and Shane Battier on the perimiter to open things up for him?

As for the system itself, it's not much to write home about. Lots of rotations, slow down offense...huh? I'm not saying he'd be an all star in Phoenix. I just think he'd be about twice as effective as Steven Hunter was last year, whereas James Jones is a good talent that's easier replaced.

I think you are absolutely wrong, I didn't want Swift here before he signed with Houston, I don't want him here now.

Say all you want about Jason Williams, Posey, Battier and Gasol, but they were a running team--a whole lot more than Houston, at any rate. At that time, Memphis was as close as anybody when comparing that style to the current Suns one.
 

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I remember reading an article a long time ago about how lazy Swift was. He’s so lazy that he has a friend who’s job is to go to Swift’s house and wake him up so he’s not late to practice/team flights. Mem let him go for nothing and Hou is trying to move him already, that should be two red flags.
 

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I don't care how replacable James Jones is, he's a hustler and works his ass off nightly. He's a guy who's made the most of his opportunities and works hard for everything he has.

Swift on the other hand has had a career marred with laziness and underachievement. No thanks on that deal.

Also, I'm in the list of those who say the red flag needs raised when looking at Swift. There's a reason why Memphis gave up on him, and why Houston's ready to less than 1/4th of the season in.
 

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Chaplin said:
I think you are absolutely wrong, I didn't want Swift here before he signed with Houston, I don't want him here now.

Say all you want about Jason Williams, Posey, Battier and Gasol, but they were a running team--a whole lot more than Houston, at any rate. At that time, Memphis was as close as anybody when comparing that style to the current Suns one.


what? i NEVER thought of memphis as a running team. i challenge you chap to find a single article that ever described memphis as a running team. under hubie they were a methodical passing outfit. under fratello they were a defensive squad. "close as anybody when comparing that style to the current suns one" - not a chance. find another reason to diss swift, but this dog don't fly.
 

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Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
what? i NEVER thought of memphis as a running team. i challenge you chap to find a single article that ever described memphis as a running team. under hubie they were a methodical passing outfit. under fratello they were a defensive squad. "close as anybody when comparing that style to the current suns one" - not a chance. find another reason to diss swift, but this dog don't fly.

So are you saying that the Grizzlies with that personnel WEREN'T athletic? Jason Williams? James Posey? Pau Gasol? Swift had tons of opportunity to blossom in Memphis, but he didn't take advantage.

The only defense the Grizz played back then was them getting upset when people told them they weren't playing defense.
 

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While I don't agree with Ouchie's premise, MEM wasn't much of a running team last year. At 93.4 pts/gm they were ranked in the bottom 3rd of the league.
 

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Chaplin said:
So are you saying that the Grizzlies with that personnel WEREN'T athletic? Jason Williams? James Posey? Pau Gasol? Swift had tons of opportunity to blossom in Memphis, but he didn't take advantage.

The only defense the Grizz played back then was them getting upset when people told them they weren't playing defense.

My point isn't that Swift hasn't had an opportunity to be useful. I just think that this Suns team is a perfect situation for him to succeed, to the point that I would be very surprised if he wasn't a serviceable big man on our team for 25 minutes a night.
 

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My point isn't that Swift hasn't had an opportunity to be useful. I just think that this Suns team is a perfect situation for him to succeed, to the point that I would be very surprised if he wasn't a serviceable big man on our team for 25 minutes a night.


Okay, so who's going to wake him up in time for practice? The Suns like to run a lot. :shrug:
 
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Okay, so who's going to wake him up in time for practice? The Suns like to run a lot. :shrug:
Make him bunk at KT's house. I could see him trying to make KT late for practice then getting Crazy Eyes mad! :eek:
 
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Chaplin said:
So are you saying that the Grizzlies with that personnel WEREN'T athletic? Jason Williams? James Posey? Pau Gasol? Swift had tons of opportunity to blossom in Memphis, but he didn't take advantage.

The only defense the Grizz played back then was them getting upset when people told them they weren't playing defense.
They are athletic, but we clearly ran the Grizzlies off the floor last year. When we beat them they were sucking wind in the fourth quarter after pounding on us for three quarters! So no, I wouldn't say they are a running team. Athletic, big, yes, running, no! :D
 

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I'd take a flier on Swift at this point but give up a good young player like Jones for that opportunity? Thanks but no thanks.
 

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James Jones isn't replaceable. His absence is killing the Suns.


Swift would help the Suns the same way Steven Hunter did, give them athleticism and irregular jolts of energy as a backup C. If they don't want to pay Hunter $3m/yr, though, I can't see why the Suns would want Swift with an MLE contract, much less trade a useful (and cheap) player for him.
 

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Swift probably would help the Phoenix Suns, but what kind of contract did he sign this past summer with the Houston Rockets?

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F-Dog said:
James Jones isn't replaceable. His absence is killing the Suns.


Swift would help the Suns the same way Steven Hunter did, give them athleticism and irregular jolts of energy as a backup C. If they don't want to pay Hunter $3m/yr, though, I can't see why the Suns would want Swift with an MLE contract, much less trade a useful (and cheap) player for him.

His absence is killing the Suns because there isn't anybody else to take his place. Being replacable doesn't mean that it's irrelevant if you get hurt. We only have seven players right now. Remember last year when the media said "See! Steve Nash is hurt! The entire team is just him!"? If the Suns had a competent to good back up point guard last year, the team would have suffered, yes, but they would not have totally collapsed. Look how having Kurt Thomas means the Suns "are doing fine without Amare for the time being"? Long term, I'd rather have an atheletic, young, shot blocking big man than a young guy who ended up being a decent defender and a pretty good three point shooter. James Jones was a great find, but if he can be turned into Stromile Swift, I like the potential for the team better.
 

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fordronken said:
Long term, I'd rather have an atheletic, young, shot blocking big man than a young guy who ended up being a decent defender and a pretty good three point shooter. James Jones was a great find, but if he can be turned into Stromile Swift, I like the potential for the team better.

Swift isn't young any more by NBA standards. What you see is what you get with him, including one of the least effective jumpers this side of Desagana Diop.



He'd be useful for the Suns as long as Amare is out, but when the team is healthy, Swift would be the third-string center and the fourth-string PF. There's no way Robert Sarver is going to shell out $6m/year for that.

On the other hand, James Jones is solid and reliable, he can play two or three positions in the Suns system, and he's getting $2m/year. There's a good chance that D'Antoni would play JR over Swift at PF if the Suns had both of them.

If the money was equal, it might be worth considering, just because of relative scarcity at the two positions... :shrug:
 

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