The New and Improved 2007 Trade Thread....

[slinslin]

One thing that gets overlooked a little. If Garnett wants to be traded, Minnesota will probably try to reach the best deal for him and themselves like Philly.

They won't just trade Garnett to the highest bidder.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

and why would the suns? its a 5 for 1 trade for god sakes.

Because they get a player that could take them over the top, and give rid of the bad contract in Diaw.

 

[asudevil83]

Because they get a player that could take them over the top, and give rid of the bad contract in Diaw.

true.....but all i've heard on this board is harping over how the suns have no bench blah blah blah, and they'll never win it all without a decent backup cast.

well here, they trade away 1/3 of what we already have, and then 3 more potentials.

and because of the way our salaries are out of control, we're pretty much forced to go the route of vet min players. and we all know where that got us this season.

Burke/Marks/Jumaine/Rose.....which netted us a total of 567 minutes throughout the ENTIRE SEASON. that's less than 7 minutes per game combined.

if this trade were to go down it wouldnt be later than december we'd here:

1.) Garnett cant play 37+ minutes per night, he's almost 30
2.) Nash is old, he shouldnt play more than 30
3.) we have no bench, and all our guys are going to be worn out by playoff time.

we know what a 7 man rotation looks like....and we all complain about it. Amare/Garnett/KT/Bell/Nash with Barbosa/Jones off the bench?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm telling you, Marion for Aldridge/Outlaw/Webster is a fair deal on all fronts and POR runs Jack-Roy-Marion-Randolph-Oden....

That is a great deal for both teams and it allows POR to draft the absolute best player instead of being forced to draft for need....

that's most lopsided deal for marion i've ever seen, and there have been a lot on this board over the years. we couldn't even get aldridge for marion straight up right now. and you really think dantoni's making that trade? getting rid of one of his greyhounds for a guy he'll never play (aldridge)? no way in hell.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Sorry to quote my own post, but I would follow this trade up with Barbosa/Jones/Pike to CHA for Wallace/Felton....

Nash-Felton
Bell-Webster
Wallace-Outlaw
Stoudemire-Diaw
Aldridge-Thomas

D'Antoni has AT LEAST a 10-man rotation....

i'm sorry to follow up one post bashing your idea with another bashing another idea of yours, but you have very little knowledge of the value of our players and other teams' players. felton was an extremely high pick just two years ago. and wallace has really blossomed as late. would i make that trade? likely. would charlotte? no way in hell. barbs and garbage. feech. a sixth man combo guard doesn't fetch that must in return.

 

[asudevil83]

I think that you would have to throw in the Atlanta's pick next year to have them even think about doing that deal.

you are probably right. a player like Marion has much more value to us than another team.

aldrige/oden/roy are their future......so prying any of them away is really nearly impossible

 

[Divide Et Impera]

that's most lopsided deal for marion i've ever seen, and there have been a lot on this board over the years. we couldn't even get aldridge for marion straight up right now. and you really think dantoni's making that trade? getting rid of one of his greyhounds for a guy he'll never play (aldridge)? no way in hell.

We'll just have to disagree on this one. What POR needs more than anything is a veteran presence if they want to make any kind of noise this year. They don't want a team full of HS b-ballers essentially. There is a lot of rationale in why this deal makes sense for both teams.

Why would POR keep Aldridge with Oden in the fold and Pryz on a long-term and unmoveable deal?

Aldridge would start as our C. He is athletic enough and he hits taht mid-range J very well....

i'm sorry to follow up one post bashing your idea with another bashing another idea of yours, but you have very little knowledge of the value of our players and other teams' players. felton was an extremely high pick just two years ago. and wallace has really blossomed as late. would i make that trade? likely. would charlotte? no way in hell. barbs and garbage. feech. a sixth man combo guard doesn't fetch that must in return.

I already addressed this post. I don't know what I was thinking. It wasn't even PWI, so I have no excuse. This was just a huge atomic brain fart....

 

[Hugh D'Man]

I got yer Marion deal right here....

Antawn Jamison + future #1
Marion

 

[elindholm]

I got yer Marion deal right here....

Antawn Jamison + future #1
Marion

Don't the Wizards already have an All-Star SF?

 

[Hugh D'Man]

Butler ? He can run some minutes at SG....So I figure Marion could play along side him...

There is some talk from Wizardos about aquiring Marion at realGM
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=630945&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1116

Who knows ?

Would you take 'Tawn' ?

 

[tobiazz]

Would you take 'Tawn' ?

No way. Marion is better, younger, and the same price. The only advantages would be Jamison's better 3pt shooting and maybe his bulk on offense. I think Jamison has better one-on-one game. The draft pick would not be much of a balancer.

 

[Hugh D'Man]

Make no mistake about this deal...it is an economic one. Phnx basically has tax issues for one yr...then problem solved. I don't think there are any realistic deals in which 'Marion' fans will be happy. And most of them do not make us better. These deals with Shawn going to Boston, or Minny aren't going to happen that easy. Memphis can send Gasol to Boston, Chicago can put together a better KG package, JONeal puts Phnx in cap hell. If Sarver gives the marching orders to trim the budget, there are not many options. It is not an easy task, given or circumstances. Somebody has to go if the tax man says so. Better to deal Marion than Stat...IMO. We would still be a damn good team...with another 1st rounder.

 

[Crazy Guy]

just for fun....

Phoenix Trade:
Shawn Marion
Kurt Thomas
Marcus Banks
Atl 2008 #1 pick
#24 pick
#29 pick

Phoenix Receive:
-Kevin Garnett
-Marko Jaric
-Craig Smith

Reasons Phx does it:
1. umm....KG
2. large back-up PG/SG (Jaric)
3. young PF prospect (Smith)
4. we get rid of Banks

Minnesota Trade:
Kevin Garnett
Marko Jaric (bad contract)
Mike James (bad contract)
Craig Smith
#7 pick

Minnesota Receive:
-Marcus Banks

-Kurt Thomas (expiring)
-Tyronn Lue (expiring)
-Lorenzen Wright (expiring)
-Josh Childress (expiring/prospect)
-Anthony Johnson (expiring)

-Marvin Williams (prospect)
-#3 pick (Brandan Wright?)
-#11 pick (Hawes?/J.Wright?/Noah?)
-Atl 2008 #1 pick

Reasons Minn does it:
1. Changes 2 bad contracts (Jaric/James) into 1 smaller, bad contract (Banks)
2. Gets 4 prospects to develop this year (#3 (B.Wright?)/ #11/ Williams/ Childress)
3. Gets another good pick in 2008
4. Gets a TON of expiring contracts

Atlanta Trade:
Marvin Williams
Tyronn Lue
Lorenzen Wright
Josh Childress
Anthony Johnson
#3 pick
#11 pick

Atlanta Receive:
-Shawn Marion
-Mike James
-#7 pick (Conley?)
-#24
-#29

Reasons Atl does it:
1. Receives a pick where Conley will most likely land
2. Gets a Starting SF/PF (Marion) and a Starting PG (James)
3. Gets 2 lower 1st picks to fill out the roster
4. Basically, they change out a bunch of youth/disappointments/question marks into possibly a solid playoff-bound team....possibly

 

[elindholm]

As with most three-team proposals, one team gets hosed, and it's Atlanta in this case. They drop down four spots in the draft for the privilege of exchanging Marvin Williams with Marion? I don't think so.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Atlanta would also give up a decent prospect in Josh Childress and the #11 pick. Not going to happen although it's very likely Atlanta finds some other way to screw up this offseason.

 

[panfolk]

In case seattle gets Oden would you be interested in one of their young center (Petro/Swift or Sene)?

Although I agree that Portland takes Oden, I would like to see Swift or Sene in a Suns uniform. Petro is more of a perimeter PF that lacks gumption from what I've heard.

as fair as the trade is, it doesnt seem logical to me. and with Oden in the picture i'm almost positive Portland would rather deal Randolph and build with a front court of Aldridge/Oden

BUT......Marion/Banks/#29 for Aldridge/Webster/Rodriguez/LaFrentz seems like an all around fair trade value-wise. but it would be in Portland's best interest NOT to do it.

Agreed. I remember several Oregonian articles/writeups mentioning how Aldridge is a hardworking, nice guy of the type the team needs to rebuild its image. Meanwhile I will never forgive Randolph's oncourt pouting in the past couple years and offcourt antics. Roy, Aldridge (at PF) and Oden are the core Portland will build around. Webster is still raw and even if Sergio got 12 minutes here and there I doubt he'll be a McMillan type player anytime soon (hard-nosed and under control). I would love to see Rodriguez flourish under Nash's tutelage but I doubt I'll ever see it.

What about Marion for Sergio, Webster, and Lafrentz? The Aldridge and Banks inclusions are what made the deal silly from Portland's perspective I'd imagine.

 

[panfolk]

Do we have anything that would get Chicago's interest? They don't need to get any younger and they have the 9th pick (which could still be an excellent player with this draft). The tricky part is that the only big salaries they have are Heinrich and Wallace so any Marion/Amare/Diaw trades are out the window I'd imagine.

 

[dodie53]

What about Marion for Sergio, Webster, and Lafrentz? The Aldridge and Banks inclusions are what made the deal silly from Portland's perspective I'd imagine.

can raef help the suns' frontcourt problems?
how about his contract?

and who's better?
travis outlaw or webster?