The Official Dave McGinnis Ax Pool

[Ed B]

Lots of 15 yard late hit penalties. No discipline. This sounds awful.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Originally posted by Rats
IT's predictable.....that Mac would lose this team early in the season....there young....He is not exactly a game coach...and when you start to lose big....players....give up....

I like how the announcers were baffled that the Cards are the youngest team in the league,AGAIN.It's 3 years running.Next year it will be 4.At least the Cards are good at something-misjudging talent and being cheap.

 

[conraddobler]

Mac is a good guy the NFL eats good guys for lunch.

I never liked his hiring in the first place. He has good motivational skills but players want to win just once in a while because the staff did a great job of preparing the team to exploit an opponent..

We almost never do this.

I don't want a complete tyrant but I do want highly competent 1st the rest can sort itself out later.

Mac is all but done, toast, pass the jelly. Nice guys have to be good at their job to keep it too.

We did not lose because of anything except the same rehash of mistakes. This staff has been here forever!!!!!! no way we keep these same guys plus a couple additions for this long on a LOSING TEAM. It just isn't done.

Mac was slated to go to the Bears and he had hired Martz as his OC. Neat what if isn't it.

When your team is losing you never never never!!!!! promote from within you fire everyone and start over. JMHO.

 

[john h]

Originally posted by bratwurst
Axing the head coach will do exactly what is has the last four or five times we did it.

You are correct. Firing McGinnis will produce nothing. If you do not have the players (we do not) you will continue to lose. We are the worst franchise in the NFL. The writers said so at the begining of the year. the tv analysist say so. and I have experienced it for over 50 years. Bidwill you are a miserable worthless football owner.

 

[Sandan]

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Originally posted by bratwurst
I hate to say that he has been given all the tools to work with when his GM won't spend even close to the cap limit to give him talent.

I can't agree, maybe we do need more talent but I don't see us getting outplayed.

I see us getting out coached

 

[Renz]

Maybe John Mackovic wants to return to the NFL.

 

[Cheesebeef]

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Originally posted by nidan
I can't agree, maybe we do need more talent but I don't see us getting outplayed.

I see us getting out coached

careful there Nidan - it's a slippery slope to the Darkside - maybe I'll make an appearance at next week's game fully take you under the shroud of the darkside.

 

[Sandan]

Not going to happen.

While I think we suck, RG comments in the Repulsive to day suggest that he thinks we have had many years of draftin disasters and that he plans to fix that along with poor cap mangement.

Both have been killing us for years.

So while I may be depressed, I have hope for the future, heck even today we wern't outplayed, we just kept screwing up and that sounds like coaching

 

[40yearfan]

You know, it's funny but I didn't see either of the Bidwills out there fumbling the ball or throwing interceptions. This team isn't completely stacked with talent, but it's also not completely devoid of talent. These turnovers are inexcusable. I don't care if we had the talent level of the Bucs, any team that turns the ball over 5 or 6 times a game is going to loose that game. Where do you start? Which players do you get rid of and who do you add.

Everyone was complaining about Wakefield and D. Johnson, but both of those guys played a decent game today. The only really bad play on defense was when Coby got beat deep.

Special teams did a lot better also, but today the offense blew up. Of course when your starter goes down and you're misssing 3 of your starting WR's, you can figure it's going to be a bad day, but you never expect a complete breakdown.

You have to put this game right where it belongs. Squarely on the Coaching staff.

 

[Sandan]

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by nidan
heck even today we wern't outplayed, we just kept screwing up and that sounds like coaching

They outgained us - they outscored us - they shut-out us out - WE WEREN'T OUTPLAYED? If that's the case then Dave Mac is the worst head coach in the history of football.

 

[Sandan]

My point was that we kept giving them the ball.

We complete passes, we ran the ball, we even containde their offence for most of the game but ...

We kept giving them the ball, that wasn't the Seahawks play, it was us screwing up again and again and again.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by nidan
My point was that we kept giving them the ball.

We complete passes, we ran the ball, we even containde their offence for most of the game but ...

We kept giving them the ball, that wasn't the Seahawks play, it was us screwing up again and again and again.

so when our defense FINALLY gets a turnover - are you going to say it was the other team that screwed up - or that it was good efensive play? Good teams make turnover happen -crushing hits knocking balls in the air, putting Blake on the run to force him to throw - they made turnovers happen. And you know what turnovers are a part of the game - hell their most of the part of the game with the Cards - you can't take them away or say it was just us playing bad - there's a reason we look so bad out there - it's cause the other team is so much better than us.

 

[Sandan]

Yes they are but we seem to be handing the game to the opponent regualy now.

 

[pinnacle]

turnovers is why the game was so lopsided...

total yards, first downs, rushing yards, passing yards, etc...would indicate the seahawks won like 21 - 17 (hypothetically speaking). we turned the ball over 6 times and seattle turned the ball over 0 times. That is why it was a blowout.

I think the world of dave mcginnis - but he is not a good head coach. He would make a much better college coach - where recruiting is half the battle. He is not preparing our players. I did not see our offensive and defensive lineman getting whooped today like I saw them getting trampled last season. Errors killed us. We were outcoached badly in week one and week two.

 

[BW52]

According to NFL Gamebook
Cards 4 interceptions thrown
4 fumbles
2 fumbles lost
4 penalties
total yds AZ 286 seattle 323
6 more TO today.How many is that so far this season 10 or 11.

 

[JeffGollin]

Say all you want about Mac being a good guy, the players wanting to play for Mac, coaches don't fumble the ball or throw picks, Rod Graves had a good draft, Rod Graves wasn't proactive enough, yada yada.

There is something lacking on this football team. I don't know if I can put it into words, but -

We lack a "program", an over all philosophy, the way we approach a game and get our players ready to operate within a system they know and feel comfortable with - so that they're not "winging it" all the time.

Yeah, winging it - I get the feeling that, on too many plays, our guys are "winging it" - i.e. (a) hoping (instead of knowing) that a play or defensive scheme will work, (b) given way too much latitude for free-lancing when it comes to both assignments and the proper execution of techniques and (c) not reminding our younger players to do such elemental things as cover up the ball and not throw into coverage.

A Vince Lombardi, Bill Parcells or Jimmy Johnson would have little or no tolerance for the kind of stuff we've seen the past two Sundays and they'd immediately pull out the old "my way or highway" handbook. I don't think our current coaching staff has the command presence or coaching confidence to do this, and they gotta.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

We need Tom Landry.

But he's gone (RIP), so who does that leave as a replacement for Coach Mac?

Mike Ditka?

No

Jimmy Johnson?

No

Any other schmo that's available?

No

Fire Mac now, bump up Sullivan to HC till the end of the season, then sack the lot of them!

It's obvious that the upper-echelon of the Cardinals orginization is hell bent on giving the impression that they are building for having a successful season when the new stadium opens.

That being the case, the sooner the Cards go in a different direction the better.

 

[40yearfan]

Originally posted by Cardinals.Ken
We need Tom Landry.

But he's gone (RIP), so who does that leave as a replacement for Coach Mac?

Mike Ditka?

No

Jimmy Johnson?

No

Any other schmo that's available?

No

Fire Mac now, bump up Sullivan to HC till the end of the season, then sack the lot of them!

It's obvious that the upper-echelon of the Cardinals orginization is hell bent on giving the impression that they are building for having a successful season when the new stadium opens.

That being the case, the sooner the Cards go in a different direction the better.

The problem with moving Sullivan to HC is who would replace him? Our offensive play calling has improved tremendously and if we could just hang onto the damn ball and not throw int's., we will be able to score lots of points. I agree we shouldn't wait until the end of the season for a coaching change if the Cards keep playing like this, but I would hate to take Sullivan out of the only coaching position that is working right now.

 

[ChiCard]

"maybe we do need more talent but I don't see us getting outplayed"


NOT OUTPLAYED????????? If that didn't happen today then I guess it never will. You and I must have watched two different games. That's kind of like saying Hitler wasn't all bad because he did create Lufthansa. Any firm play on the part of the Big Red today happened by accident. they were beaten in ever phase of the game. If Seattle hadn't been handed all those early points they would have just gotten them. We stunk the place out today and if they weren't ready to play it's no one's fault except dave McGinnis and his staff.

 

[conraddobler]

We by definition got outplayed thats a given but what people are saying is that we beat ourselves no one just dominated us.

The best way I can put it is that since I have been watching the Cardinals I have watched more than a few times as we got more turnovers than we gave up and then still lost the game. That is a bad bad team that does that.

6 to 0 isn't even on the charts that has to be the stuff blowouts are made of.

The breaks were insanely on the other side of the ball and I am not excusing our play just observing that it was the most lopsided game I have ever seen in terms of everything going the other teams way.

We moved the ball. Could it have been worse.. Hell yeah it could have been worse it could have been that we got 6 turnovers and lost 20 to 3 or something that would have been the ultimate.

The Chiefs drubbing was far worse cause we were absolutely powerless against a horrible defense.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by ChiCard
I guess I'm in at week 6 as I figured that's when the players will quit on him. He deserved a better fate.

looked like they quit on him already. that's earliest i've ever seen the cards pack it in. we deserves what he gets. he hasn't gotten the job done. 'nuff said.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by conraddobler
We by definition got outplayed thats a given but what people are saying is that we beat ourselves no one just dominated us.

The best way I can put it is that since I have been watching the Cardinals I have watched more than a few times as we got more turnovers than we gave up and then still lost the game. That is a bad bad team that does that.

6 to 0 isn't even on the charts that has to be the stuff blowouts are made of.

The breaks were insanely on the other side of the ball and I am not excusing our play just observing that it was the most lopsided game I have ever seen in terms of everything going the other teams way.

We moved the ball. Could it have been worse.. Hell yeah it could have been worse it could have been that we got 6 turnovers and lost 20 to 3 or something that would have been the ultimate.

The Chiefs drubbing was far worse cause we were absolutely powerless against a horrible defense.

speaking as a fan sitting with uninterested football fans i can honestly say that it couldn't get any worse. they started out sympathetic and tried to provide me with optimism. they ended up just laughing at me. these were complete strangers. i am officially embarrassed to be a cardinal fan. the cards looked like a bunch of no-talent-ass-clowns today. plain and simple.

 

[Sandan]

Tough to argue with that, I didn't even have the energy to go find people at the half

 

[vince56]

I couldn't believe what I saw on the field today. The cards have more talent than this. They are a talented ballclub. No way they should ever be killed 38-0 like that. They were not prepared, plain and simple.

I PUT IT ENTIRELY ON MCGINNIS.

7 years with this franchise, not 1 top 15 defense. Not 1 productive lineman since Rice, not 1 top tier player in the last 7 years other that Aeneas. NO DEVELOPED PLAYERS. NO DEFINED SCHEME. It's like he's using the cards defense from Madden 2004 instead of a sophisticated NFL defensive scheme.

Sullivan's playcalling was decent early on. I love the bunch formation, about damn time we start using that. Other than that this game was a wash.

I predict McDroppley (#80) will be cut this week...

... oh yeah 1 more thing. Adrian Wilson: You SUCK! Enough cheap shots just 'cause you can't get your job done. The helmet to helmet hit was UNCALLED FOR and the sorry-ass shove out of bounds was CLASSLESS. Get a f-ing clue you *******!!

Errrggghh....I'm slowly being seduced by the darkside.