The Peach Bowl thread (CFP Quarterfinal) 1/1/2025 11AM AZ time

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In the end it was another heartbreaker for an Arizona football team. So close to glory, only to see it get snatched away. All those other times.... "The program has arrived, we will be back next year, etc etc". Only to see it crumble back to mediocrity in a couple of seasons.

Next year we won't sneak up on anybody and will have a target on us. It's going to be a lot tougher next year.
All of the key coaches are locked up for the next several years, and Dillingham is now locked up for what could be the next decade.
We haven’t lost any starter to the Portal.
Our recruiting efforts will be boosted by what this team accomplished this year.
I am totally bullish on the next several years!
 

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Yes, we should've called off the blitz or called a timeout. But as a DB you can't be watching the backfield while a WR starts to run by you.
ASU didn’t have any timeouts in that overtime moment. They took one on offense. Rush 4 and play coverage. Should’ve doubled Golden. He was the only guy doing anything of note for Texas.

Really tough loss. Both teams had chances to win it. Unreal comeback from down 16 by ASU. Halfback pass was insane. Skattebo made himself some money and will probably be a day 2 pick now after that performance.
 

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I clearly don’t understand what a “defenseless receiver” is. Dude catches the ball and is making football moves is not defenseless to me.

100% that was forcible contact to the head.

The fact he was down with an injury shouldn’t necessarily be the decider. What if the head bounced off the turf and that is what caused the injury.

Don’t get me wrong. I think it was targeting based on the forcible contact issue but even the rules guy they brought in wasn’t definitive. He said “I would not be surprised if this was called targeting”. To me he wasn’t firm on his conviction. Maybe he is just trying to hedge but if so that is weak sauce.

The rigged thing is ludicrous and ruins his whole complaint
I don't think the accusations of "rigging" really mean that the referees had a conscious "plan" of helping Texas to win. I think it's more that the interests of the networks and various other institutions in seeing the more marketable teams advance definitely plays either a subtle or more overt role in those officials deciding the outcome of what can be a more or less subjective call.

I think we all see this happening with some recurrence in all big money driven sports. It's not that any official would have actively tried to defeat ASU (or any other upstart team) if they had come out like gangbusters and just dominated Texas or any other favorite. But when the chips are down and something subjectively happens that can tilt the outcome to a preferred "favorite" in any big sporting event (not just football), it's more and more routine to see an official make a highly dubious decision that favors that so called "favorite." It's not hard to imagine various agendas influencing that, whether deliberately nefarious or just incidental.
 

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I clearly don’t understand what a “defenseless receiver” is. Dude catches the ball and is making football moves is not defenseless to me.

100% that was forcible contact to the head.

The fact he was down with an injury shouldn’t necessarily be the decider. What if the head bounced off the turf and that is what caused the injury.

Don’t get me wrong. I think it was targeting based on the forcible contact issue but even the rules guy they brought in wasn’t definitive. He said “I would not be surprised if this was called targeting”. To me he wasn’t firm on his conviction. Maybe he is just trying to hedge but if so that is weak sauce.

The rigged thing is ludicrous and ruins his whole complaint
definitely share your thoughts here.
 

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No argument there.

We just have to hope Leavitt is ready to make that next step. Getting Tyson back will be massive along the transfers we are getting in
Yeah I think Leavitt has “it.” Even today he looked like texas speed and talent might be too much for him to overcome in the first half, but he nutted up and made some huge plays. I’ve been impressed with him all season. Getting Tyson back will be huge. I hope the rest of the receiving core is ready to take the next step with him because the devils will be transitioning from skattebo’s team to sam’s team.
 

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it is a Monday morning QB situation. of corse it's a bad call when it doesn't work. players are supposed to adjust and make the play against the defense that is called. Texas got super conservative on ASU's first OT sequence by dropping 7 into coverage and not preparing for the QB to run. and he ran for a back breaking first down that led to the TD. before that it looked like Texas was going to at least put ASU in a 4th and long situation which would have put ASU in a tough situation to kick or go for it. The texas defense should have been more aggressive in that situation.
But it wasn’t. For some of us yelling not to blitz BEFORE the play it is NOT Monday morning QBing.
 

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true and you are right. But the blitz was bothering Ewers and the texas offense earlier in the game. it worked a lot. I don't think it was a terrible idea. it didn't work because Texas made the adjustment.
Just wasn’t necessary. If it gets home, great. But if it doesn’t you lose the game. It was 4th and 14. The blitz wasn’t needed. You didn’t need the gamble. You just needed to prevent 14 yards.
 

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The loss was disappointing but man what a great season. out of nowhere and it had the town jumping. This is a season to build on and hopefully ASU is turning the corner from the Herm years and will have a bright future
Herm who?

As far as I’m concerned this years squad squad erased that pox from the history of devil football.
 

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I don't know the difference between defenseless receiver vs. targeting or if they are the same. I also thought there was a defenseless receiver hit on the ASU interception that they reviewed. I know that wasn't a hit to the head, but the player's head and neck were jarred and he was defenseless. the game also isn't rigged because ASU would not have won the game on that play and texas surely did not.
I don’t believe “defenseless receiver” is a penalty in college football like pro. But targeting is. And therein is the difference between the two plays. On the texas hit the texas player hit helmet to helmet even lowering his head a bit. On the asu hit the sun devil actually turns his body sideways and at no time did his head or shoulder ever contact the texas player. One is targeting and the other is not. It was a bad no call by the refs. It didn’t cost asu the game. The blitz call did that. But it was a blatantly bad noncall.
 

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All of the key coaches are locked up for the next several years, and Dillingham is now locked up for what could be the next decade.
We haven’t lost any starter to the Portal.
Our recruiting efforts will be boosted by what this team accomplished this year.
I am totally bullish on the next several years!
One of the big boys will come knocking and dilly won’t be able to turn down the $$$. As much as asu bring his alma mater helps, he’s going to have a ridiculous money thrown his way. His contract extension won’t matter.
 

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But it wasn’t. For some of us yelling not to blitz BEFORE the play it is NOT Monday morning QBing.
I was hoping that they backed out blitz before the play, but not because it was the smart thing to do. more because Ewers and the O-Line didn't handle it well most of the game. My Monday morning QB comment is because we praise something when it works and then complain when it doesn't.
 

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I don’t believe “defenseless receiver” is a penalty in college football like pro. But targeting is. And therein is the difference between the two plays. On the texas hit the texas player hit helmet to helmet even lowering his head a bit. On the asu hit the sun devil actually turns his body sideways and at no time did his head or shoulder ever contact the texas player. One is targeting and the other is not. It was a bad no call by the refs. It didn’t cost asu the game. The blitz call did that. But it was a blatantly bad noncall.
I didn't think Taaffe lowered his head and definitely did not lead with the crown of his helmet. he hit him with his head up. Now it seems more like incidental contact the more I think about it. If there's a defenseless receiver rule then that is definitely a penalty IMO. that's probably why it wasn't overturned in the review. I've seen hits like that not called targeting this year, definitely multiple in both of the texas/UGA games. if defenseless receiver is not a thing in college, it makes sense why no flag was thrown on either play.
 

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The targeting could have easily gone either way, I think. I do not think he led with the crown - which I think is the middle 6" of the top of the helmet? - but I gave up trying to figure out what is targeting or not targeting last year. I think most teams have been on lucky and unlucky side of that call (or no-call). I will say the refs let the game play without impressing themselves unnecessarily. There were holdings and PIs on both teams that a nit-picky crew might have called, but I thought they did a good job of finding a balance overall.
 

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The targeting could have easily gone either way, I think. I do not think he led with the crown - which I think is the middle 6" of the top of the helmet? - but I gave up trying to figure out what is targeting or not targeting last year. I think most teams have been on lucky and unlucky side of that call (or no-call). I will say the refs let the game play without impressing themselves unnecessarily. There were holdings and PIs on both teams that a nit-picky crew might have called, but I thought they did a good job of finding a balance overall.
I agree, IIRC the refs also didn't overturn any other calls in review regardless of who were the benefactor. Most of the penalty calls they made were the blatant ones. the two no calls for targeting and the beneficial spots for ASU are the only questionable calls I can remember from that game and they stuck with what was called on the field.

For targeting I would like to know if it is a subjective opinion for the ref to interpret the intent of the defender or does the player have to lead with the crown, which everyone would agree needs to be taken out of the game at any level of football.
 

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I'm not a fan of the targeting rule. It should be more for blatant dirty hits like Burfict's hit on Antonio Brown. But if you're going to call it, I want it called evenly. I have no doubt that if you had reversed teams on that hit in that moment, the ASU player would've been called for targeting. No doubt.
 

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I don’t believe “defenseless receiver” is a penalty in college football like pro. But targeting is. And therein is the difference between the two plays. On the texas hit the texas player hit helmet to helmet even lowering his head a bit. On the asu hit the sun devil actually turns his body sideways and at no time did his head or shoulder ever contact the texas player. One is targeting and the other is not. It was a bad no call by the refs. It didn’t cost asu the game. The blitz call did that. But it was a blatantly bad noncall.
We don’t know if that non call cost ASU the game or not. What we know is, if that was called the way it probably should have been, it would have given ASU a 1st down in Texas territory and I think there was just over a minute to play.
 

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I didn't think Taaffe lowered his head and definitely did not lead with the crown of his helmet. he hit him with his head up. Now it seems more like incidental contact the more I think about it. If there's a defenseless receiver rule then that is definitely a penalty IMO. that's probably why it wasn't overturned in the review. I've seen hits like that not called targeting this year, definitely multiple in both of the texas/UGA games. if defenseless receiver is not a thing in college, it makes sense why no flag was thrown on either play.
Lowering of the head isn’t a requirement for targeting. Any forcible contact to the head can be called targeting I believe.

I agree with you that there is a lack of consistency.
 

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If ASU had won the game, it would have been one of the greatest Arizona sports stories of this century. Unfortunately, things didn't go the Sun Devils' way from a defensive perspective in the 2 OTs. Great 4th quarter comeback. Congrats to the entire team and coaching staff for a truly magical season - and I'm a UofA fan!
 
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I don't know the difference between defenseless receiver vs. targeting or if they are the same. I also thought there was a defenseless receiver hit on the ASU interception that they reviewed. I know that wasn't a hit to the head, but the player's head and neck were jarred and he was defenseless. the game also isn't rigged because ASU would not have won the game on that play and texas surely did not.

It was targeting, plain and simple, call it the ESPN/SEC ref fix or whatever, but ASU had multiple chances to win and didn't get it done. That's why they lost, not this call. That Texas D was too tough in the redzone.
 
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I didn't think Taaffe lowered his head and definitely did not lead with the crown of his helmet. he hit him with his head up. Now it seems more like incidental contact the more I think about it. If there's a defenseless receiver rule then that is definitely a penalty IMO. that's probably why it wasn't overturned in the review. I've seen hits like that not called targeting this year, definitely multiple in both of the texas/UGA games. if defenseless receiver is not a thing in college, it makes sense why no flag was thrown on either play.

AI tells me this is the targeting rule:

The NCAA football targeting rule is defined in the 2024 NCAA Football Rules Book, Rule 9, Article 4:

  • Definition: A player makes forcible contact with a defenseless opponent's head or neck using their helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow, or shoulder

  • Indicators: There must be at least one indicator of targeting, such as:
    • Launching the body upward and forward to make contact

    • Crouching and then thrusting the body upward and forward to make contact

    • Leading with the helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand, or elbow to make contact

    • Lowering the head before making contact with the crown of the helmet
  • Penalty: A 15-yard fine and an automatic first down

  • Video review: Referees use video replay to confirm or overturn the call
 
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