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It should be fascinating to see what BA, SK and TM have in mind for the QB position.

Having spent a good deal of time evaluating the potential QB options, I thought I would offer my thoughts---as in gut impulse thoughts.

Kevin Kolb---can't believe he would even be a consideration based on money (even at a reduced salary) and durability issues. He just doesn't inspire a lot of confidence or the thought of dependability and stability.

John Skelton---low salary and not a lot of high expectations at this point. But, I am especially curious to see what the coaching changes will do for him. Obviously he needs coaching. If he fails with this braintrust, the book will be closed on him. Still love the big arm and the toughness in the pocket---and if you go back and watch how he beat the 49ers in 2011, those are the types of staple intermediate to deep passes that BA loves. For that reason I give him a chance.

Ryan Lindley---what I would like to do is erase the slate with him because he clearly wasn't ready to compete in regular season games and still wont be a for a year or two, if he can hold on to the #3 job. He has the arm---but the head?

Brian Hoyer---he is a viable #2, imo, and could emerge as the stopgap #1 if no one else does. Not even sure, however, if the team intends to re-sign him.

Alex Smith---saw a 49ers' fan blog where he said, "our worst fear is him going to Arizona." But---it's not going to happen because Smith has superb trade value (@ $7M per year for the next two years), and the 49ers are not going to trade him to the Cardinals. I think he will be traded to the Jags (#33 pick) or the Chiefs (#34 pick)...or to the Browns for their 3rd rounder (#68) and their 2nd rounder in 2014.

Matt Moore---intriguing option---has had some solid success and was very well coached last year by Joe Philbin. I think he is very possibly BA's guy, and I think that we will draft a QB as well.

Mike Vick---I could see BA being interested if Vick hits the market. Vick has the type of arm that BA covets, plus his mobility is a real bonus. Age and injuries, however, have to be a concern---that, and what kind of money he will command.

Ryan Mallett---the #38 pick would likely do it---if so, he would have one year left on his rookie contract, thus he would be very cap friendly this year and the team could tender him at a high compensation price the following year if it decided to wait another year to sign him to a big contract. Mallett has the arm that fits BA's offense to a tee---and he would be another Big Ben type project for BA, only after spending two years as an apprentice to Tom Brady. I think one could make a strong case that Mallett is better than any QB in this current draft class. So to get him at #38 and be able to draft one of the BPAs at #7 could be a win-win. Saw too that the Patriots just signed Mike Kafka---and the speculation is that Matt Cassell might return if the scenario presents itself. I think they will listen to offers for Mallett.

Jason Campbell---new WR coach Daryll Drake just spend the last year with Campbell in Chicago. There's still a good deal of upside and potential in Campbell, especially if he gets with the right coaches and in the right system. I think there could be some genuine interest in him. He's got the right physical tools for BA's offense...but needs to light a fire under butt. Not sure if it is in his personality, though.

Josh Freeman---here's a young gun who could be had, imo, for the right price. He's coming off two lackluster seasons---by his standards:

2011: 346/551/3,592/62.8%/6.5/16/22/74.6

2012: 306/558/4,065/54.8%/7.3/27/17/81.6

As compared to his best year:

2010: 291/474/3,451/61.4%/7.3/25/6/95.9 (also had 364 yds. rushing, 5.4 ave.)

Freeman has one year left on his current deal at $8.4M (cap).

The Bucs have said they do not intend to extend his contract at this point.

If the Bucs make a move on a QB---I think Freeman could be in play for the #38 pick. There is a lot of upside here. Very intriguing upside because of his physical tools.

Drew Stanton---BA knows him well and he knows BA's system well. If BA likes this young man's potential, one would think he would sign Stanton. He has good size and strength---and is at the very least a good #2.

Chase Daniel---comes from an offensive system that is very similar to BA's. Daniel is on the short side (6-0, 225), but he's accurate and is a feisty competitor. The question is how effective a deep passer he would be. He had plenty of practice at that in the Saints' system.

Nick Foles---I know, another trade for a Philly QB? The question is---is Foles a fit in Chip Kelly's offense---if Kelly has other ideas then he could be persuaded to trade Foles. Todd Bowles saw him every day---wonder what his thoughts, as a DC, are. When I watched him, I was very impressed---he stood tall in the pocket and threw very catchable passes with zip when needed and touch when needed. He also looked poised in the red zone. This kid looks like a very good fit in BA's offense.

Geno Smith---wonder how teams view him now, after his lackluster finish to his season, his poor bowl performance, albeit in inclement weather, and his declining to play at the Senior Bowl. C'mon, man! If Von Miller can play in the Senior Bowl, why can't you? Smith has the tools---he's got size, arm strength, touch and leadership ability, but he's a reluctant runner and he's more of spread QB than traditional one. If he drops to #7, which I think is very possible, he could be the choice---but, for some reason I just don't see it---there's something lacking and I can't quite put my finger on it.

Mike Glennon---yes, the arm strength is there, and his numbers playing under HC Tom O'Brien and OC Dana Bible were even better than Matt Ryan's when he was coached by the same duo at BC. But, Glennon is no Matt Ryan. He's nowhere near the leader that Ryan is---nor is he even remotely as tough. The arm does get you excited though---but then you look at his string bean frame and his propensity to throw off the back foot and you wonder if he could hold up at all under pressure in the NFL.

Tyler Wilson---small hands, lack of elite arm strength and durability issues are a concern---but what you have to love about him is his fiery approach, his leadership prowess and his competitiveness. He reminds me a lot of Matt Hasselbeck---physically and temperament-wise...which is why I give him a good chance to make a name for himself in the NFL. But, like Hasselbeck, Wilson looks like he will have a hard time holding up physically, although, like Hass (who wrote the book on it), he will play in pain.

Matt Barkley---I think that if you put him in the Patriots' system he would thrive. He's no Tom Brady---don't get me wrong. But, he's smart and can exploit the middle of the field with accurate, well-timed and well-placed passes. Ask him to make the long sideline throws and that is asking for trouble. In this day and age, unless you are the Patriots, you would prefer a QB, like a Joe Flacco, for example, who can beat you over the middle and up the sidelines.

Ryan Nassib---he strikes me as a QB who thrives on good coaching and preparation. It therefore does not surprise me in the least that he was not tearing it up at the Senior Bowl in practices this week. I think NFL coaches will love this kid---because he will execute a game plan and make smart decisions. He's got a good arm---not great---his delivery is little long, imo, and needs to be shortened and quickened, but he is tough as nails. I think he will eventually be a starter, probably in Buffalo if Doug Marrone can get his hands on him.

Zac Dysert---what i love about him is he works well under pressure. He can escape pressure when he has to---and he throws very well on the run. He lacks polish at this point---but I think he can be an NFL starter after a year or two of coaching preparation.

Landry Jones---kind of reminds me in a little of Drew Bledsoe---good arm, solid guy and leader---but not particularly strong under pressure.

Tyler Bray---same as Bledsoe/Jones---only better arm than Jones.

E.J. Manuel---has all the physcial tools, but not the head.

Sean Renfree---someone mentioned him as a later round prospect for the Cardinals and I concur. He helped put Duke football back on the map, and while he needs to get stronger physically, he's got a very good arm and superb touch.

I would be very interested to know what your choices would be. if you were AB, SK and TM, what would you do?
 

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Kevin KolbKeep, reduce salary and try to keep upright. The only qb with talent on the roster

John Skelton-Terrible but let him fight for a job, likely get cut

Ryan Lindley---cut

Brian Hoyer---let him fight for a job. Likely #2

Alex Smith---no

Matt Moore---maybe

Mike Vick---not in a million years

Ryan Mallett---Not for a second rounder. We didn't draft him with a third rounder when we had the chance (I would have) but no freaking way. Take a rookie with the second rounder. Mallet is a bit too Derek Anderson with an attitude.

Jason Campbell---I like campbell, but i'm not a big fan of bringing him here.

Josh Freeman---I like him, and he would fit this system. This is a guy I could see us trying to bring in. 3rd rounder, not second. Our second is practically a late first rounder, so no way. 3rd + a pick, sure.

Drew Stanton---ambivalent

Chase Daniel---meh

Nick Foles---ambivalent

Geno Smith---Won't be there in the second round, but not worth top 10.

Mike Glennon---Not a fan

Tyler Wilson---Would take him in the second round

Matt Barkley---No

Ryan Nassib---Innacurate, good size. We have that guy on the roster.

Zac Dysert---ambivalent

Landry Jones---Would take him in the second

Tyler Bray---ambivalent

E.J. Manuel---ambivalent

Sean Renfree---meh



I think we will keep Kolb, grab a FA or rookie, and let Hoyer and Skelton battle. Final depth will either be Kolb, Hoyer, Rookie or FA, Kolb, Hoyer depending on which way we go to get the third guy.
 

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Landry Jones = Drew Bledsoe Good call, Mitch. That's what I've been thinking for some time now. He won't last into the second round or I'd take him there.
 

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Kevin Kolb---can't believe he would even be a consideration based on money (even at a reduced salary) and durability issues. He just doesn't inspire a lot of confidence or the thought of dependability and stability.
He was head and shoulders above anything we had at that position. He showed some toughness and smarts when plays broke down.
FO wants to give him one more shot. Coaches seem to agree.


John Skelton---low salary and not a lot of high expectations at this point. But, I am especially curious to see what the coaching changes will do for him. Obviously he needs coaching. If he fails with this braintrust, the book will be closed on him. Still love the big arm and the toughness in the pocket---and if you go back and watch how he beat the 49ers in 2011, those are the types of staple intermediate to deep passes that BA loves. For that reason I give him a chance.
He's a long shot at this point.

Ryan Lindley---what I would like to do is erase the slate with him because he clearly wasn't ready to compete in regular season games and still wont be a for a year or two, if he can hold on to the #3 job. He has the arm---but the head?
Badda Bing.

Brian Hoyer---he is a viable #2, imo, and could emerge as the stopgap #1 if no one else does. Not even sure, however, if the team intends to re-sign him.
Didn't see enough. Looked better than Skelton. Need more info.

Alex Smith---saw a 49ers' fan blog where he said, "our worst fear is him going to Arizona." But---it's not going to happen because Smith has superb trade value (@ $7M per year for the next two years), and the 49ers are not going to trade him to the Cardinals. I think he will be traded to the Jags (#33 pick) or the Chiefs (#34 pick)...or to the Browns for their 3rd rounder (#68) and their 2nd rounder in 2014.
You'r prob. right.

Matt Moore---intriguing option---has had some solid success and was very well coached last year by Joe Philbin. I think he is very possibly BA's guy, and I think that we will draft a QB as well.
Better than any b/u we currently have, imo. Spot starter, not a #1

Mike Vick---I could see BA being interested if Vick hits the market. Vick has the type of arm that BA covets, plus his mobility is a real bonus. Age and injuries, however, have to be a concern---that, and what kind of money he will command.
That's the question. This would be a good fit for him to try and resurect one more time. But we'd need to hedge the bet with another vet.

Ryan Mallett---the #38 pick would likely do it---if so, he would have one year left on his rookie contract, thus he would be very cap friendly this year and the team could tender him at a high compensation price the following year if it decided to wait another year to sign him to a big contract. Mallett has the arm that fits BA's offense to a tee---and he would be another Big Ben type project for BA, only after spending two years as an apprentice to Tom Brady. I think one could make a strong case that Mallett is better than any QB in this current draft class. So to get him at #38 and be able to draft one of the BPAs at #7 could be a win-win. Saw too that the Patriots just signed Mike Kafka---and the speculation is that Matt Cassell might return if the scenario presents itself. I think they will listen to offers for Mallett.
Intruiging...is he a leader!?

Jason Campbell---new WR coach Daryll Drake just spend the last year with Campbell in Chicago. There's still a good deal of upside and potential in Campbell, especially if he gets with the right coaches and in the right system. I think there could be some genuine interest in him. He's got the right physical tools for BA's offense...but needs to light a fire under butt. Not sure if it is in his personality, though. Pass


Josh Freeman---here's a young gun who could be had, imo, for the right price. He's coming off two lackluster seasons---by his standards:

2011: 346/551/3,592/62.8%/6.5/16/22/74.6

2012: 306/558/4,065/54.8%/7.3/27/17/81.6

As compared to his best year:

2010: 291/474/3,451/61.4%/7.3/25/6/95.9 (also had 364 yds. rushing, 5.4 ave.)

Freeman has one year left on his current deal at $8.4M (cap).

The Bucs have said they do not intend to extend his contract at this point.

If the Bucs make a move on a QB---I think Freeman could be in play for the #38 pick. There is a lot of upside here. Very intriguing upside because of his physical tools. It would take much more, imo. #7 perhaps.

Drew Stanton---BA knows him well and he knows BA's system well. If BA likes this young man's potential, one would think he would sign Stanton. He has good size and strength---and is at the very least a good #2. Better than Skelton I suppose.

Tyler Wilson---small hands, lack of elite arm strength and durability issues are a concern---but what you have to love about him is his fiery approach, his leadership prowess and his competitiveness. He reminds me a lot of Matt Hasselbeck---physically and temperament-wise...which is why I give him a good chance to make a name for himself in the NFL. But, like Hasselbeck, Wilson looks like he will have a hard time holding up physically, although, like Hass (who wrote the book on it), he will play in pain.
He's who I'd like to see us make a play for in a trade up at/near the end of the 1st Rd.

Sean Renfree---someone mentioned him as a later round prospect for the Cardinals and I concur. He helped put Duke football back on the map, and while he needs to get stronger physically, he's got a very good arm and superb touch.Has that "it" factor. Very competitive.

I would be very interested to know what your choices would be. if you were AB, SK and TM, what would you do?
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He was head and shoulders above anything we had at that position. He showed some toughness and smarts when plays broke down.
FO wants to give him one more shot. Coaches seem to agree.

I don't know about Kolb. He's had what? 3-4 good games and a couple of drives since he's come to Arizona and the more he plays the worse he seems to get.

He really did nothing vs NE, Pittsburgh, or Baltimore.

Gets sacked at a ridiculous % rate.

He's not that much better than the rest of the clowns we've had at QB if at all.
 

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after watching EAST WEST SHRINE GAME And SENIOR BOWL ,matt scott looks like the best qb after geno smith
 

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Mitch,

IMO - The Senior Bowl I've just watched would lead to serious revision of anything good you've said about this gaggle of QB's. This is clearly not a QBOF draft. In the end, I think it will be Kolb, Hoyer, a developmental draft pick and a fourth hidden on the taxi squad. Arians has stressed accuracy in small windows, as well as, taking some longer shots. Accuracy clearly eliminates Skelton and probably Lindley, although the latter can be waived and possibly re-signed to the practice squad. IMO
 

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I find it absurd anyone can believe John Skelton has a shred of talent.
He's what a super late rounder should be, third string at best. Same with Lindley, do we need two 3rd stringers again this year? Hoyer got kicked out of a place that demands excellence, I guess we don't do that yet. Whiz made all his QBs minus Warner and sometimes Kolb look horrible, but they were all wash ups or late rounders to begin with...poop working with poop still equals poop. I think we have upgraded in the offensive coaching department, we need to do the same with our QB roster so the new coaches don't get poop all over their spankin new Cardinals gear.

PS.... Kolb aint poop, he's just soft like poop.
 
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I'm a huge fan of Wilson when compared to the other QBs, but that is not saying much after the more you see all these guys play.
 

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He's what a super late rounder should be, third string at best. Same with Lindley, do we need two 3rd stringers again this year? Hoyer got kicked out of a place that demands excellence, I guess we don't do that yet. Whiz made all his QBs minus Warner and sometimes Kolb look horrible, but they were all wash ups or late rounders to begin with...poop working with poop still equals poop. I think we have upgraded in the offensive coaching department, we need to do the same with our QB roster so the new coaches don't get poop all over their spankin new Cardinals gear.

This :)
 

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Mitch,

IMO - The Senior Bowl I've just watched would lead to serious revision of anything good you've said about this gaggle of QB's.
You can't judge the QB's on that game.

And, Alex Smith is not going to fetch a high 2nd round pick from anyone. He's likley going to be cut and hit the open market for the 3rd straight year, so there really is no reason to trade for him.
 
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You can't judge the QB's on that game.

And, Alex Smith is not going to fetch a high 2nd round pick from anyone. He's likley going to be cut and hit the open market for the 3rd straight year, so there really is no reason to trade for him.

While I tend to agree, one thing about this game is that the defense cannot blitz. In most games like this with little practice time, everyone will be a little rusty, however this game lends itself to a QB playing well.....and frankly none of the did.
 
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You can't judge the QB's on that game.

And, Alex Smith is not going to fetch a high 2nd round pick from anyone. He's likley going to be cut and hit the open market for the 3rd straight year, so there really is no reason to trade for him.

I guarantee you, CBus, Smith will be traded---especially seeing as how weak this draft class is at QB. The Bills, Browns or Jags won't wait to see if Smith is released---plus, they get him at a reasonable salary ($7.5M) for the next two years while they can groom a young QB behind him.

I will bet you a Beanie Wells jersey!
 

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From what I've heard (and I admit my hearing is bad) that BA wants a QB with a strong arm and Alex Smith doesn't fit that requirement. Also, the Tom Brady run is nearing the finish line so I can't see the Patriots letting Ryan Mallett go. Realisticly, Stanton might be a decent pick up as it would signal BA's opinion of him. Matt Moore is better than what we have except when KK is on the field, which isn't very often. Any success that John Skelton has going forward would indicate that BA feels that he's been mishandled/coached. Hoyer's showing in Az translates to "That in the land of the blind the one eyed rule". As for the Draft, I have no idea, but there's a possibility that there is a starter (eventually) in the draft and I hope we get lucky and select him but not before the second. third or fourth round. Too many BPA's at #7.

And thanks Mitch for doing the heavy lifting.
 

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Forget the retreads and everyone's cast offs.

Although what seems to be an uninspiring group of QB's right now in the upcoming draft I say just draft one in the first two rounds. Lets put this new staffs history of developing QB's to the test.
 

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Forget the retreads and everyone's cast offs.

Although what seems to be an uninspiring group of QB's right now in the upcoming draft I say just draft one in the first two rounds. Lets put this new staffs history of developing QB's to the test.

Could be like an episode of Pawn Stars where someone gets something at a garage sale for cheap, and it's a treasure.
 

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Could be like an episode of Pawn Stars where someone gets something at a garage sale for cheap, and it's a treasure.

Bray could. He's going to need 1 1/2 - 2 yrs. just to learn the NFL, read /schemes and speed though.

We need some stop gaps for two yrs. at least.
 

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It should be fascinating to see what BA, SK and TM have in mind for the QB position.

Having spent a good deal of time evaluating the potential QB options, I thought I would offer my thoughts---as in gut impulse thoughts.

Kevin Kolb---can't believe he would even be a consideration based on money (even at a reduced salary) and durability issues. He just doesn't inspire a lot of confidence or the thought of dependability and stability.

John Skelton---low salary and not a lot of high expectations at this point. But, I am especially curious to see what the coaching changes will do for him. Obviously he needs coaching. If he fails with this braintrust, the book will be closed on him. Still love the big arm and the toughness in the pocket---and if you go back and watch how he beat the 49ers in 2011, those are the types of staple intermediate to deep passes that BA loves. For that reason I give him a chance.

Ryan Lindley---what I would like to do is erase the slate with him because he clearly wasn't ready to compete in regular season games and still wont be a for a year or two, if he can hold on to the #3 job. He has the arm---but the head?

Brian Hoyer---he is a viable #2, imo, and could emerge as the stopgap #1 if no one else does. Not even sure, however, if the team intends to re-sign him.

Alex Smith---saw a 49ers' fan blog where he said, "our worst fear is him going to Arizona." But---it's not going to happen because Smith has superb trade value (@ $7M per year for the next two years), and the 49ers are not going to trade him to the Cardinals. I think he will be traded to the Jags (#33 pick) or the Chiefs (#34 pick)...or to the Browns for their 3rd rounder (#68) and their 2nd rounder in 2014.

Matt Moore---intriguing option---has had some solid success and was very well coached last year by Joe Philbin. I think he is very possibly BA's guy, and I think that we will draft a QB as well.

Mike Vick---I could see BA being interested if Vick hits the market. Vick has the type of arm that BA covets, plus his mobility is a real bonus. Age and injuries, however, have to be a concern---that, and what kind of money he will command.

Ryan Mallett---the #38 pick would likely do it---if so, he would have one year left on his rookie contract, thus he would be very cap friendly this year and the team could tender him at a high compensation price the following year if it decided to wait another year to sign him to a big contract. Mallett has the arm that fits BA's offense to a tee---and he would be another Big Ben type project for BA, only after spending two years as an apprentice to Tom Brady. I think one could make a strong case that Mallett is better than any QB in this current draft class. So to get him at #38 and be able to draft one of the BPAs at #7 could be a win-win. Saw too that the Patriots just signed Mike Kafka---and the speculation is that Matt Cassell might return if the scenario presents itself. I think they will listen to offers for Mallett.

Jason Campbell---new WR coach Daryll Drake just spend the last year with Campbell in Chicago. There's still a good deal of upside and potential in Campbell, especially if he gets with the right coaches and in the right system. I think there could be some genuine interest in him. He's got the right physical tools for BA's offense...but needs to light a fire under butt. Not sure if it is in his personality, though.

Josh Freeman---here's a young gun who could be had, imo, for the right price. He's coming off two lackluster seasons---by his standards:

2011: 346/551/3,592/62.8%/6.5/16/22/74.6

2012: 306/558/4,065/54.8%/7.3/27/17/81.6

As compared to his best year:

2010: 291/474/3,451/61.4%/7.3/25/6/95.9 (also had 364 yds. rushing, 5.4 ave.)

Freeman has one year left on his current deal at $8.4M (cap).

The Bucs have said they do not intend to extend his contract at this point.

If the Bucs make a move on a QB---I think Freeman could be in play for the #38 pick. There is a lot of upside here. Very intriguing upside because of his physical tools.

Drew Stanton---BA knows him well and he knows BA's system well. If BA likes this young man's potential, one would think he would sign Stanton. He has good size and strength---and is at the very least a good #2.

Chase Daniel---comes from an offensive system that is very similar to BA's. Daniel is on the short side (6-0, 225), but he's accurate and is a feisty competitor. The question is how effective a deep passer he would be. He had plenty of practice at that in the Saints' system.

Nick Foles---I know, another trade for a Philly QB? The question is---is Foles a fit in Chip Kelly's offense---if Kelly has other ideas then he could be persuaded to trade Foles. Todd Bowles saw him every day---wonder what his thoughts, as a DC, are. When I watched him, I was very impressed---he stood tall in the pocket and threw very catchable passes with zip when needed and touch when needed. He also looked poised in the red zone. This kid looks like a very good fit in BA's offense.

Geno Smith---wonder how teams view him now, after his lackluster finish to his season, his poor bowl performance, albeit in inclement weather, and his declining to play at the Senior Bowl. C'mon, man! If Von Miller can play in the Senior Bowl, why can't you? Smith has the tools---he's got size, arm strength, touch and leadership ability, but he's a reluctant runner and he's more of spread QB than traditional one. If he drops to #7, which I think is very possible, he could be the choice---but, for some reason I just don't see it---there's something lacking and I can't quite put my finger on it.

Mike Glennon---yes, the arm strength is there, and his numbers playing under HC Tom O'Brien and OC Dana Bible were even better than Matt Ryan's when he was coached by the same duo at BC. But, Glennon is no Matt Ryan. He's nowhere near the leader that Ryan is---nor is he even remotely as tough. The arm does get you excited though---but then you look at his string bean frame and his propensity to throw off the back foot and you wonder if he could hold up at all under pressure in the NFL.

Tyler Wilson---small hands, lack of elite arm strength and durability issues are a concern---but what you have to love about him is his fiery approach, his leadership prowess and his competitiveness. He reminds me a lot of Matt Hasselbeck---physically and temperament-wise...which is why I give him a good chance to make a name for himself in the NFL. But, like Hasselbeck, Wilson looks like he will have a hard time holding up physically, although, like Hass (who wrote the book on it), he will play in pain.

Matt Barkley---I think that if you put him in the Patriots' system he would thrive. He's no Tom Brady---don't get me wrong. But, he's smart and can exploit the middle of the field with accurate, well-timed and well-placed passes. Ask him to make the long sideline throws and that is asking for trouble. In this day and age, unless you are the Patriots, you would prefer a QB, like a Joe Flacco, for example, who can beat you over the middle and up the sidelines.

Ryan Nassib---he strikes me as a QB who thrives on good coaching and preparation. It therefore does not surprise me in the least that he was not tearing it up at the Senior Bowl in practices this week. I think NFL coaches will love this kid---because he will execute a game plan and make smart decisions. He's got a good arm---not great---his delivery is little long, imo, and needs to be shortened and quickened, but he is tough as nails. I think he will eventually be a starter, probably in Buffalo if Doug Marrone can get his hands on him.

Zac Dysert---what i love about him is he works well under pressure. He can escape pressure when he has to---and he throws very well on the run. He lacks polish at this point---but I think he can be an NFL starter after a year or two of coaching preparation.

Landry Jones---kind of reminds me in a little of Drew Bledsoe---good arm, solid guy and leader---but not particularly strong under pressure.

Tyler Bray---same as Bledsoe/Jones---only better arm than Jones.

E.J. Manuel---has all the physcial tools, but not the head.

Sean Renfree---someone mentioned him as a later round prospect for the Cardinals and I concur. He helped put Duke football back on the map, and while he needs to get stronger physically, he's got a very good arm and superb touch.

I would be very interested to know what your choices would be. if you were AB, SK and TM, what would you do?

Hey Mitch-----I'm only dealing with rookies right now-----

I will confess to knowing little of Geno Smith, but I'll say this much. If these new coaches are willing to go after him, (or any of this bunch for that matter), I would be going along with the program. That is despite the fact that I have almost no use for Glennon, (we already have a Skelton on the roster).

For that matter, I would also pass on Tyler Wilson, (he was not a good QB this year with a bad team, so I don't see him being a good QB for the Cards as we have a ways to go to be considered good). I also think he is a fumble waiting to happen at the pro level with the strength of the hits he will surely take, and the propensity of them to happen.

I would consider Landry Jones, (especially with this coaching staff), however because he did well in a big time program. He is smart, and is a proven team leader over a long period of time. He is also mobile enough to scramble when needed. I was never a Bledsoe fan, and the Pats did not really flourish until they dropped him for ultimately Brady. He does have a good arm and has touch as well.

Most of the rest are just cannon fodder in my estimation.
 

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I guarantee you, CBus, Smith will be traded---especially seeing as how weak this draft class is at QB. The Bills, Browns or Jags won't wait to see if Smith is released---plus, they get him at a reasonable salary ($7.5M) for the next two years while they can groom a young QB behind him.

I will bet you a Beanie Wells jersey!
I don't agree. Smith has been on the market for the previous 2 years and wasn't very strongly pursued by anyone. I don't see how being benched and having a concussion this year has raised his value around the league.

I've got a Wells jersey. Except it keeps falling down off the hanger and the wife has to keep repairing it :D.
 
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