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The NFL draft is over, and, as predicted, former number-one-pick-hopeful Matt Leinart fell to the number 10 slot, chosen by the Arizona Cardinals. This is an amazing development for a quarterback who, had he opted to leave college a year ago, would have gone much higher, probably ‘numero uno’ (although one more year of college - taking courses in ballroom dancing - had to be more enjoyable than playing for the San Francisco 49ers last year would have been).

The Oakland Raiders, picking at number 7, passed on Leinart and chose instead Michael Huff of Texas, a safety who supposedly could also play cornerback. The Raiders did this despite the fact that they don’t have a decent quarterback.

I have written previously on this site of the folly of picking a quarterback in the first round. Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, and Eric Crouch are cautionary tales sufficient to discourage any NFL front office denizen. And I still believe that it is folly to bet the farm on a first round quarterback pick.

But… If any team was in position to draft a quarterback, it was the Raiders. After deciding to mercifully end the Kerry Collins era, they picked up Aaron Brooks, who had led the New Orleans Saints to several losing seasons. Brooks is a decent quarterback, even if he has never had a season passing rating over 90 (and has been below 80 the past two years). He would have been an excellent caretaker QB, manning the position competently while a young QB with greater physical skills entered the league and learned what he could from Brooks’ experience.

But the Raiders passed on Leinart, who won the Heisman trophy in 2004 and who would have led USC to three straight championships if his defensive teammates could have done a slightly better job of tackling Vince Young. Leinart was probably the SAFEST first round pick of a QB ever, with proven leadership skills and known play-making ability (check out the end of the noted USC/Notre Dame game).

But the Raiders chose a safety, because the reason they sucked last year was due to their pass defense. Right. This is the team that acquired Randy Moss, the most electric receiver in the NFL, and then gave him a career low number of catches for a full season. The talent of a receiver like Randy Moss is wasted without a quarterback who can deliver the ball to him. Brooks is not that QB, and neither is Raiders back-up QB Marques Tuiasosopo.

I think the Raiders passed on Leinart because of his image. Leinart is an up-standing, well-liked guy who works hard and plays by the rules. That’s not a Raider! I’m shocked the Raiders didn’t draft Marcus Vick, who is up on weapons charges and was taped intentionally stomping on an opposing player’s leg during a game. That’s the sort of move that would make former Raider Bill Romanowski proud.

The Raiders made a huge mistake, not because they didn’t draft a quarterback but because they thought they didn’t need one. They need a higher-quality passer than Aaron Brooks if they are going to return to their glory days of the vertical game; by anointing Brooks as their quarterback of the future, the Raiders assure themselves of more high draft picks in the next few years.
 

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Raiders are doing a nice job drafting in front of us. First Gallery over Fitzgerald and then Huff over Leinart. All are good players, but I think Fitz and Leinart are pro bowlers.
 

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we took wadsworth over woodson
I had never heard of wadsworth until the draft, while I watched woodson all his heisman year. Sad we didnt take him cause we had an old Aeneas Williams at the other corner.
 

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Leinart doesnt fit their hopes of having a vertical passing attack. The deep ball is his biggest weakness, and its what the Raiders want to do the most. If Andrew Walter can stay healthy, he could be the perfect for them, even though he is a statue. His accuracy also is sometimes criticized, but his lowish completition percentage in college probably had a lot to do w/ throwing the ball deep so often.
 
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Considering the "Hollywood" Leinart stories that are getting so much mileage these days I find the following line amusing:
I think the Raiders passed on Leinart because of his image. Leinart is an up-standing, well-liked guy who works hard and plays by the rules. That’s not a Raider!

In general the writers premise is correct, the Raiders should have taken Leinart but some of his statements are just wacked. For example, in comparing Brooks to Leinart he says:
He (Brooks) would have been an excellent caretaker QB, manning the position competently while a young QB with greater physical skills (Leinart) entered the league
Leinarts strength is not his "physical skills". Matt's no slacker to be certain but by that statement you would think that he is comparing Brooks, pretty good in the physical skill department, was being compared to Vince Young...
 
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we took wadsworth over woodson
I had never heard of wadsworth until the draft, while I watched woodson all his heisman year. Sad we didnt take him cause we had an old Aeneas Williams at the other corner.
What; were you living in a cave, or on a deserted island then??? Never heard of Wadsworth??? :doi:

Woodson was undoubtedly highly acclaimed... so also was Wadsworth!
 
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Raiders offense is vertical based, Leinart doesnt fit there system...


doesnt make them idiots... just makes them stubborn...
 

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JC_AZ said:
I have written previously on this site of the folly of picking a quarterback in the first round. Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, and Eric Crouch are cautionary tales sufficient to discourage any NFL front office denizen.

Eric Crouch was a third round pick.
 

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I'd much rather thank the Bills for taking a guy they could have traded down for and got him anyway.
 

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Scott MS said:
Raiders are doing a nice job drafting in front of us. First Gallery over Fitzgerald and then Huff over Leinart. All are good players, but I think Fitz and Leinart are pro bowlers.

Gallery's damn near being labled a bust from what I heard. I've not really been following them but that's what I was hearing
 

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By D. W. O'Dell

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The NFL draft is over, and, as predicted, former number-one-pick-hopeful Matt Leinart fell to the number 10 slot, chosen by the Arizona Cardinals. This is an amazing development for a quarterback who, had he opted to leave college a year ago, would have gone much higher, probably ‘numero uno’ (although one more year of college - taking courses in ballroom dancing - had to be more enjoyable than playing for the San Francisco 49ers last year would have been).

The Oakland Raiders, picking at number 7, passed on Leinart and chose instead Michael Huff of Texas, a safety who supposedly could also play cornerback. The Raiders did this despite the fact that they don’t have a decent quarterback.

I have written previously on this site of the folly of picking a quarterback in the first round. Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, and Eric Crouch are cautionary tales sufficient to discourage any NFL front office denizen. And I still believe that it is folly to bet the farm on a first round quarterback pick.

But… If any team was in position to draft a quarterback, it was the Raiders. After deciding to mercifully end the Kerry Collins era, they picked up Aaron Brooks, who had led the New Orleans Saints to several losing seasons. Brooks is a decent quarterback, even if he has never had a season passing rating over 90 (and has been below 80 the past two years). He would have been an excellent caretaker QB, manning the position competently while a young QB with greater physical skills entered the league and learned what he could from Brooks’ experience.

But the Raiders passed on Leinart, who won the Heisman trophy in 2004 and who would have led USC to three straight championships if his defensive teammates could have done a slightly better job of tackling Vince Young. Leinart was probably the SAFEST first round pick of a QB ever, with proven leadership skills and known play-making ability (check out the end of the noted USC/Notre Dame game).

But the Raiders chose a safety, because the reason they sucked last year was due to their pass defense. Right. This is the team that acquired Randy Moss, the most electric receiver in the NFL, and then gave him a career low number of catches for a full season. The talent of a receiver like Randy Moss is wasted without a quarterback who can deliver the ball to him. Brooks is not that QB, and neither is Raiders back-up QB Marques Tuiasosopo.

I think the Raiders passed on Leinart because of his image. Leinart is an up-standing, well-liked guy who works hard and plays by the rules. That’s not a Raider! I’m shocked the Raiders didn’t draft Marcus Vick, who is up on weapons charges and was taped intentionally stomping on an opposing player’s leg during a game. That’s the sort of move that would make former Raider Bill Romanowski proud.

The Raiders made a huge mistake, not because they didn’t draft a quarterback but because they thought they didn’t need one. They need a higher-quality passer than Aaron Brooks if they are going to return to their glory days of the vertical game; by anointing Brooks as their quarterback of the future, the Raiders assure themselves of more high draft picks in the next few years.

What you have all forgotten about is ANDREW WALTER, of ASU, Who really out played Lienart in the PAC 10, but never got really noticed due to his team was not as good as USC. WAlter throws the deep ball better than Matt.

So maybe Al DAvis really has his QB of the future in Andrew and realized that he had his QB of the future on the bench. But all in all I like Matt better.


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What you have all forgotten about is ANDREW WALTER, of ASU, Who really out played Lienart in the PAC 10, but never got really noticed due to his team was not as good as USC. WAlter throws the deep ball better than Matt.

So maybe Al DAvis really has his QB of the future in Andrew and realized that he had his QB of the future on the bench. But all in all I like Matt better.


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Walter outplayed Leinart? C'mon not even close.

Walter's career high completion % was 57.3

Leinart,s career low completion % was 63.4

Walter's highest year in total TDs was 30, Leinart's 38.

You can argue that Leinart played with better WRs but Walter was in an offense much more QB friendly (very little balance).
 

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Zeno said:
Walter outplayed Leinart? C'mon not even close.

Walter's career high completion % was 57.3

Leinart,s career low completion % was 63.4

Walter's highest year in total TDs was 30, Leinart's 38.

You can argue that Leinart played with better WRs but Walter was in an offense much more QB friendly (very little balance).

Matt had Reggie Bush and Lendale in the backfield. So it made passing a lot easyier wouldn't you say. Andrew did break Elways record for TD"s in the pack 10 then Matt rebroke it and Andrews last year. But by playing on a team that went only lost 2 games in Matt's tenure speaks highly of the team that Pete Carrol put around Matt. Dirk K of ASU neve put a team arround Walter like Pete put around Matt and Andrew only played 1/2 of a season in 2002, and pt up extremely great numbers over 3877 yards wasn't it..?? More than Matt did in one full season.

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Zeno said:
Walter outplayed Leinart? C'mon not even close.

Walter's career high completion % was 57.3

Leinart,s career low completion % was 63.4

Walter's highest year in total TDs was 30, Leinart's 38.

You can argue that Leinart played with better WRs but Walter was in an offense much more QB friendly (very little balance).

Walter ran a vertical offense, that doesn't really lead to a great completion percentage.

Leinart's offense was much more screen oriented, which obviously leads to high completion %.

And comparing surrounding talent, it's not even worth talking about because it's so lop-sided.
 

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Walter and Leinart are VERY different QBs, so lets not compare them. I love Walter at ASU, and I love Leinart now that he's a Cardinal. Luckily, Walters skills (the long ball) fit great w/ the system he's in, and Leinarts skills (short accurate passes to a spot) fit great w/ the system he's in. Its a good fit for both players and their teams.
 

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Ok OK....bottom line Leinart is an NFL QB who will be starting and posting good stats throughout his career. Walter will be a career back-up.

I'll stand by this, if I'm wrong I will have no problem admitting it.
 

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