The real Jake??

[FJM]

The following was in the AZR this morning.

One of the Heat's buddies who helps crank the Broncos' PR machine has dug deep to come up with some interesting facts about Jake Plummer.

His ratings for the past three games (129.5, 128.5 and 116.9) represent the best three- game stretch in team history.

He has thrown seven TD passes in a three game span for the second time in his career, and the first time without an interception.

His completion percentage for the past three games (69.2,66.7 and 73.5 marks the best three-game numbers in his career.

He is the first Denver QB since John Elway in 1993 to have completed two-thirds of his passes or better in three straight games.

Now we all know alot of you posters were just ecstatic with our up-grade at QB along with that "crack" reporter from Ch. 12 Mark Curtis. A number of you said Jake would be riding the pine by week 3 or 4 while the "Little fella" would have us at 4/0 or 3/1. It's early in the season so I'll wait and hope for our team to right the ship and make it's move.

In addition, some of you feel that Graves, wait until June, no wait until training camp, no wait until after week one, was and is a big upgrade over Fergy.
Lets' see isn't Fergy's team at 4/0? Oh well.

Man, for a guy that's been a "half fuller" from day one, being on the other side isn't much fun. I really hope that they can but...........

 

[Renz]

You conveniently leave out the first game against Cincinnati where he had 3 INT's and no TD's. Also, the 4 teams the Broncos have played have a combined 4 wins between them.

More statistical BS. I still wouldn't want him on the Cardinals.

And just for the record, the Seahawks are only 3 - 0.

 

[CardinalChris]

The Fergie hting is interesting. He went out and signed guys like Godfrey once he was cut. He didn't make moves like that here, so why now? Does ownership have that much of a leash around the GM here?

as for Jake, I still don't think he's an All-Anything. I don't think he is a game changer and I still don't think he's worth 7 million a year. Has everyone forgotten his first game and the preseason? There's a lot of football to be played before the neener neeners come out.

 

[SECTION 11]

Fergie's team? That's pretty funny.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by FJM
The following was in the AZR this morning.

One of the Heat's buddies who helps crank the Broncos' PR machine has dug deep to come up with some interesting facts about Jake Plummer.

His ratings for the past three games (129.5, 128.5 and 116.9) represent the best three- game stretch in team history.

He has thrown seven TD passes in a three game span for the second time in his career, and the first time without an interception.

His completion percentage for the past three games (69.2,66.7 and 73.5 marks the best three-game numbers in his career.

He is the first Denver QB since John Elway in 1993 to have completed two-thirds of his passes or better in three straight games.

I ask again, he didn't do that here in 6 years why does it make any difference now that he's done it in Denver? Griese had 19 td and 4 picks his first year there as the starter, Frerotte was very succesful, Beuerlein has been nearly as good as Jake in mopup duty. They have a lot of talent and so far they're using Jake perfectly, on the outside, making throws on rollouts or bootlegs where he basically has one Wr and one defender, if the guy is open throw it, if he's not run or throw it away.

In all 3 second halves he's played his numbers have dropped dramatically. You implied the other day that was them relaxing and him throwing balls away, which of course explains the 2 picks against Cincy before Shanahan pulled him and screamed at him for throwing into coverage. and it explains why Denver in a very close game with Detroit was suddenly relaxing and telling Jake to throw balls away against one of the weaker secondaries in football?

Shanahan is scheming him into remarkable first halves, the opponent adjusts, and Denver has had big enough leads in 3 of the 4 games to hold on. The 4th Jake got hurt and left and Beuerlein kept it going.

If they can run the season with Jake never having to throw the ball over the middle or to a receiver who's not wide open in single coverage, they'll win the Super bowl. I'm just trying to think of the last offense that was that good, I'm drawing a blank.

I personally expected jake to play far worse. I still don't think his final rating will be as high as Griese's was last year, but I do think that so far Shanahan is using him perfectly, if he can stay healthy and stay out of the pocket he'll be ok. Shanahan keeps saying wait until he absorbs the offense and look out, I really think in some ways they've been holding back things in the mismatch games so teams like KC can't see it on film, the problem is those things almost certainly involve Jake in the pocket and Jake using the middle of the field and that's when you have to trust him to do that and protect the ball.

I also love how you choose the best 3 games of his career over the first 85 as "the real jake", sounds about right.

 

[Lex]

That article was printed in the AZ Republic, but it was written for the Denver market. The Elway 93 performance, the last time a Denver QB completed two-thirds of his passes over a three game stretch, was the last game of one year, and the first two games of the next year. Jake did it in the same year.

Here's another Denver Post article that disputes some of what you're saying Russ, including quotes from the coaching staff.

www.denverpost.com/stories/0,1413,36~86~1663781,00.html

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Fergie's team? That's pretty funny.

Is that the same Fergie that took Thomas Jones about 19 spots before Shaun Alexander was drafted? :roll:

 

[FJM]

Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
Is that the same Fergie that took Thomas Jones about 19 spots before Shaun Alexander was drafted? :roll:

Yup, he was still here but I think somebody else was calling the shots.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by FJM
Yup, he was still here but I think somebody else was calling the shots.

That's right, Fergie's big call was....Wadsworth.

Even tearfully offered his daughters to the guy.

So, in your mind, Fergie gets no blame for decisions here yet full credit for Seattle being a good team (which every football "expert" was predicting by the end of last season...)? :roll:

 

[Sandan]

Originally posted by FJM
Yup, he was still here but I think somebody else was calling the shots.

Why do you think that ?

 

[conraddobler]

Maybe because Denver is a lot more like Idaho where Jake grew up he just feels more fiesty?

I don't know I do know that I just got tickets to the game this weekend and I will go enjoy a football game free of disgust or terror for the first time this year.

I like the Chiefs but it isn't life or death if they win and I get to see Plummer in person for the second time in my life, the last time was awful I can't wait to see what happens.

61 sunny and the best tailgating on the Earth. It just dosen't get any better than that.

My hats off to you guys 100 degree heat is just wrong for Football Weather it should be crisp clear and it should be loud....

Good luck Cards.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by conraddobler
100 degree heat

Only 100? Maybe it'll be that cool for the Ravens' game.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
Only 100? Maybe it'll be that cool for the Ravens' game.

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[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Lex
That article was printed in the AZ Republic, but it was written for the Denver market. The Elway 93 performance, the last time a Denver QB completed two-thirds of his passes over a three game stretch, was the last game of one year, and the first two games of the next year. Jake did it in the same year.

Here's another Denver Post article that disputes some of what you're saying Russ, including quotes from the coaching staff.

www.denverpost.com/stories/0,1413,36~86~1663781,00.html

I can't get that link to work, I assume you're referring to the Saunders article which quotes Kubiak?

There's an article on the Broncos board right now that quotes Shanahan as saying as Jake will get better and better as he becomes more comfortable with the offense and it becomes automatic. 2 days ago he said Jake is still not running the entire offense and probably won't be until next year, because there's so much to learn.

If you read the Saunders article in between all the praise you see the complaint from Sharpe about being wide open and Jake missing him against Detroit, a comment about the fumble, the other article quotes Salaam saying he loves Jake, loves blocking for him and that wasn't always the case in the past(Griese).

here's sharpe's comment about the Detroit game
"Jake did some unbelievable things today," Sharpe said. "If we can get him to do the easy things, we'll be fine."

That's pretty much what I've said about Jake for 4 years now, you'll get the spectacular plays but so often it's the easy ones you don't get that are the problem. Denver has been good enough so far to make that irrelevant.

The comments about not showing stuff on film come straight from Bronco fans who feel Shanahan is hiding stuff so KC and other better teams can't prepare for it. That wasn't intended to be a knock of Jake at all. I think he wants KC to go into this game thinking 8 in the box to stuff the run, contain Jake in the pocket and make him throw.

That's what Detroit did and jake picked them apart, just like Blake did, but without the INT(he did lose a fumble too). The question is will his receivers be that open against KC?

The 2nd half is really my question of is Jake playing well because he finally "gets it" , or is he playing well because he's in a script that is absolutely perfect, and once the opponent adjusts, he struggles? If that's the case we'll find out Sunday.

Jake lit up Detroit even when he was here, anybody that's surprised by that game hasn't been paying attention to just how bad Detroit's secondary is with all the injuries.

 

[Ryanwb]

Can we stop with the obligatory Jake threads please? Geeze, like we are the first team ever to have a player leave for FA and then turn into a good player.

Why don't you go to the Ravens board and talk smack about how they let Priest Holmes go. What is the point of this?

 

[Lex]

conraddobler- I wish I could go with you- have fun.

Forecast for today Oct. 1st- 105.

Love the flying pig double 1.

Russ- you're right. I agree with all of your post.

Ryanwb- sorry, it's the biggest story in the NFL right now, and when Baltimore let Holmes go, they had Jamal Lewis.

 

[Renz]

Originally posted by Lex
Ryanwb- sorry, it's the biggest story in the NFL right now, and when Baltimore let Holmes go, they had Jamal Lewis.

Firstly, I think you are overstating a bit to say it is the "biggest story in the NFL".

And Ryan is right. Who cares about Plummer? Every time we lose someone starts a thread about that guy! It's tired.

Do you, or anyone else for that matter, really believe that the Cardinals would be better than 1-3 if Plummer were still here? More than likely we would be 0-4.

Enough with the Plummer comparisons. Let's talk about the team we have now.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by Renz
Let's talk about the team we have now.

What a concept!

I wish all the Jake-lovers would go to Idaho...err...I mean a Broncos board.

 

[Brand]

"I wish all the Jake-lovers would go to Idaho...err...I mean a Broncos board. "

He did. We sent him back here.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Brand
"I wish all the Jake-lovers would go to Idaho...err...I mean a Broncos board. "

He did. We sent him back here.

OK Brandy we've been over that lie before and everyone here would tell you that if you have the cajones to post the lie again, but I'm sure you don't.

Apologies to the board, Brandy is from the Freakboard and got a bit miffed at my opinions there so he started a let's bash Russ campaign. When I PM'ed him suggesting he stop posting my name so much if he didn't want me posting on the board, he posted that I had told him I only post there because I like to see my name, and that I had spent years on the Cards boards defending Jake Plummer and was only "bashing" him now because I was mad he left.

When I called him on both lies he said I lied about ever sending him a PM(which I proved on that board by posting a link to it), and he ignored his other lie. When I posted the proof that he'd lied, the moderator conveniently locked the thread and moved it which is apparently why he's now posting here.

Ironically his biggest objection to me on that board is if you're a Cardinal fan why do you post on a Bronco board, yet here he is doing the same thing.

 

[BACH]

Jake was let go. He's playing very well in Denver. Good for Jake....

But enough with these Jake threads!!!!! Yes, the team let a player go that right now is playing like a pro-bowler.

Can you explain why the current Cardinal offense is producing more yards with lesser talent now, than it did under Jake?

 

[Lex]

Renz- Jake Plummer is on the cover of Sports Illustrated this week.

This Jake crap will get worse before it goes away.

Jake threads were started here by Jake haters after week 1, now that Jake is doing well, they want to ignore it.

The Jake Plummer story is directly related to the fortunes of my team, the Cardinals. People can talk all they want about what our record would be if Plummer were still here. The fact remains that Jake was, and still is, one of the top quarterback talents in the league.

The really shocking thing is, 90% of Cardinal fans listened to the local media trash him while he was here, and allowed the team to let him go. Most people have no clue about how football works.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Lex
The Jake Plummer story is directly related to the fortunes of my team, the Cardinals. People can talk all they want about what our record would be if Plummer were still here. The fact remains that Jake was, and still is, one of the top quarterback talents in the league.

The really shocking thing is, 90% of Cardinal fans listened to the local media trash him while he was here, and allowed the team to let him go. Most people have no clue about how football works.

How is that a fact when he's had 3 good games, we're supposed to forget the prior 85?

He may in fact have a very good year, but we don't know that yet and the overreaction to week 1 is no worse than the overreaction since. He has played in succession the Chargers, Raiders and Detroit. San Diego and detroit can not stop the pass, Oakland is actually pretty good at that and Jake lit them up early too.

If Jake is one of the top QB talents in the league it will show, by week 10 his numbers will still be way up near the top. Despite Denver's run game it's quite obvious that Shanahan is intentionally throwing and running Jake a lot in the redzone, apparently that's what Jake brings that Griese didn't and he's trying to utilize that(which is smart). Given that and the talent Jake has to work with there's really no reason for him to not get 25-35 TD passes this year depending on his health and the health of his receivers. That would of course demolish his career high.

But to prove he's an elite QB he's going to have to put up numbers like that because he's simply got too much talent to not do so, if he doesn't either he's playing poorly, or they stopped throwing the ball in the redzone.

The next 4-5 games for them are much tougher by the end of that stretch it will be a lot easier to evaluate Jake as a Bronco.

And remember we didn't let Jake go, we made him an offer, he just chose to leave because he didn't want to compete for the job and take less money than his previous contract. He wasn't cut he played out his contract and decided Denver's offer was better, it was because we wanted him to leave of course, but the final choice was his not ours, if he really wanted to be a cardinal he could have taken the contract and competed for the job.

 

[Lex]

I like you Russ- you never waiver from your stance, and you provide good arguments.

In my opinion, the remark you make about Jake competing for the job illustrates the misconception in the public. People claim Jake never had to compete for his job while he was here, and also claim Jake left here because he didn't want to compete for the job.

Do you really believe that the team just left him in there even though they had someone else who could have done better?

Did our coaching staff have an edict from someone that prevented them from playing the players that gave us the best chance to win?

Did we deliberately not sign better QB prospects because only Jake was going to play?

When Jake was asked if he was willing to compete for his job, he just laughed...because it's a stupid question if you're a competitor, you compete for your job every day.

One more thing. The "rats ass" comment, the one that spearheded Jake leaving here, was taken out of context. The question he was responding to, dealt with if the fans booing him, affected his play, or if it would affect his play in the future. He responded that that wouldn't affect him in that way. What he said in the heat of the moment, when asked a stupid question, was "I don't give a rats ass about that."

To this day, KDUS plays that "rats ass" taped comment when talking about Jake. As in I don't give a rats ass about the fans.

One more thing. The misconception that the coaching staff thought Jake was stupid or had bad eyesight. Jurecki claimed one of the coaches said Jake is only using half the field. What he was talking about, was when Jake rolls out, he only uses half the field since he couldn't really throw it back across the field. Jurecki turned it into, Jake is so stupid, he couldn't check down, so he only used half the field, and better yet, only half the playbook.

 

[CardLogic]

Yada, yada, yada...

who cares?