The Reffing

[slanidrac16]

You have to remember. Just because a db hits the wr as he is catching the ball doesn't automatically make it a forec out. The ref has to decide wether or not the wr would have landed in bounds without contact. Obviously, the ref thought he wouldn't have.

I seem to remember an interception by Green on opening night where he was practically carried out of bound in the end zone.

What confuses me the most is why plays are reviewed when they are so called unreviewable. I swear I thought the were going to come up with some bizarre reason to overturn that call and have to watch the fans burn down the new stadium.

 

[moklerman]

I think Edwards took a good shove but I don't think it was conclusive that he would have caught the ball in bounds without the push.

The play that I'm wondering about is the 2 point conversion. Anderson ran over to the receiver on the left side and the receiver went in motion and ran toward Anderson. Both were moving while the ball was snapped. That should be a procedure call in my opninion.

I give the Cards huge credit for being short on offense and defense and still winning.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I think Edwards took a good shove but I don't think it was conclusive that he would have caught the ball in bounds without the push.

Agreed .. very difficult play to call ..

But there was a play that the Browns ran around the left end and the WR held Rolle so bad that he almost was hugging him .. right in front of the ref and no call ... happens against us all the time .. or so it seems .. and if we do it then for sure it is called .. double standards for us ..

 

[azmike74]

and tell the Browns fans, "No, I will not sit down when the Cards are on Defense"

 

[Sandan]

Yep we dodged a bullet on that last call.

Just as the Browns did several times during the game. For once it evened out

 

[SeaChicken]

Seachicken, I always get excited when you talk to me about climax's!

Somebody's gonna tell us to get a room...

 

[bratwurst]

If you go back and look at the interception by Hood in the first quarter for a TD - we jumped offsides on the play.

Refs sucked both ways. What drives me nuts is the fact that after watching stuff on replay, they blew obvious calls.

 

[D-Dogg]

Even without the hit, his momentus was taking him out of bounds. Good call.

That's what I thought in the stadium (this play happened right in front of us) but I haven't rewatched it yet.

However, I just watched Edwards TD (that was a TERRIBLE call..review botched that and I don't know how...it was CLEAR that holt hit his leg with his body) and the 2 point conversion (what an amazing play...just fantastic!)

 

[D-Dogg]

The play that I'm wondering about is the 2 point conversion. Anderson ran over to the receiver on the left side and the receiver went in motion and ran toward Anderson. Both were moving while the ball was snapped. That should be a procedure call in my opninion.

If you rewatch, you'll notice that both of them were set and still and not in motion when the ball was snapped. In fact, they held still for a good second before the ball was snapped.

That was just a damn good play. In HS, we ran a similar version. The WR would run to the sideline as if to get a call from the coach...if the DB did not come over with him (90 percent of the time we ran it) he'd set facing the sideline and then the ball would snap and be thrown to him. If the DB shaded over to him, the couch would tell him and he'd run back to the QB as if he got a call from the sideline (disguising it as a play in case we wanted to run it again). You'd be SHOCKED at how often that worked, even when teams had tape on us doing it.

 

[SuperSpck]

If you rewatch, you'll notice that both of them were set and still and not in motion when the ball was snapped. In fact, they held still for a good second before the ball was snapped.

That was just a damn good play. In HS, we ran a similar version. The WR would run to the sideline as if to get a call from the coach...if the DB did not come over with him (90 percent of the time we ran it) he'd set facing the sideline and then the ball would snap and be thrown to him. If the DB shaded over to him, the couch would tell him and he'd run back to the QB as if he got a call from the sideline (disguising it as a play in case we wanted to run it again). You'd be SHOCKED at how often that worked, even when teams had tape on us doing it.

Yeah, if you've seen it enough times, you knew it was coming, in fact on the replay shows a bunch of defenders weren't shocked, unlike the fake spike, where the (winded) defensive line stood around.

 

[bratwurst]

If you rewatch, you'll notice that both of them were set and still and not in motion when the ball was snapped. In fact, they held still for a good second before the ball was snapped.

That was just a damn good play. In HS, we ran a similar version. The WR would run to the sideline as if to get a call from the coach...if the DB did not come over with him (90 percent of the time we ran it) he'd set facing the sideline and then the ball would snap and be thrown to him. If the DB shaded over to him, the couch would tell him and he'd run back to the QB as if he got a call from the sideline (disguising it as a play in case we wanted to run it again). You'd be SHOCKED at how often that worked, even when teams had tape on us doing it.

Absolutely correct - I thought procedure penalty when I first saw it, and then rewound and watched again 3 times on the tivo. They both were in motion but came to a set position and just stared at each other for at least one second. They were in a kind of odd set, which I think helped sell the confusion of the play.

 

[WisconsinCard]

It was a force out. We got seriously lucky. The thing is, for the Cards, its always you lose some you lose some. For us to come out on top with that final call is outstanding.

Go back and watch K2 as he pushes off to get seperation at the goal line. So they could have just as easiely have called o-pass interferance. So I say it was a good no call and good no call on the force out. All even steven

 

[Totally_Red]

On the Edwards TD it was a bonehead play by both Rolle and Holt. Rolle should have touched him down and instead of turning into a spectator and Holt should have hit Edwards square instead of playing like a pansy. In real time, I didn't think Holt touched him. On replay, it was obvious he touched Edwards knee. The referee refused to overturn anything all day. One of those morons who can't admit a mistake.

Oh, and Bryant Johnson caught that 8 yard out late in the game. Why they disallowed that catch is another mystery.

I'm not 100% convinced that Winslow gets both feet inbounds. I think you have to be 100% convinced to rule forceout. Case closed.

 

[WisconsinCard]

On the Edwards TD it was a bonehead play by both Rolle and Holt. Rolle should have touched him down and instead of turning into a spectator and Holt should have hit Edwards square instead of playing like a pansy. In real time, I didn't think Holt touched him. On replay, it was obvious he touched Edwards knee. The referee refused to overturn anything all day. One of those morons who can't admit a mistake.

Oh, and Bryant Johnson caught that 8 yard out late in the game. Why they disallowed that catch is another mystery.

I'm not 100% convinced that Winslow gets both feet inbounds. I think you have to be 100% convinced to rule forceout. Case closed.

I agree with the bolded part. He (hood) thought he was going to intercept that ball. That far down the field you got to make sure he doesn't catch it. Lay the wood to the dude make him think twice about catching another ball all day.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

1. The Interception - The ball hit the ground, and the rules say that should not be an interception. But since it was ruled it on the field, I guess, the ref said it was indisputable. Still should have been an incomplete pass.

2. The Braylon Edwards catch - His left leg clearly hit Terrance Holt. Thus should have been down by contact. How the ref missed this one I will never know. It was very clear from one angle, at least IMO.

3. The "Push Out" - This is just my opinion but that was not a push out. But what I have seen through the years (and Cards fans have seen a lot of push outs), and what it says in the book that was not a push out, and was the right call.

That was a wacky game, and our team deserves A MASSIVE amount of credit for pulling out a win. It was not pretty but when it comes down to it we won despite B.Berry, C.Okeafor, A.Boldin, L.Fitzgerald, A.Wilson, M.Leinart, E.Green, and A.Fransisco being out, and with Warner at 75%.

Edit Point: I think the push out was the right call cause Winslow didn't get either of his feet in bounds, and personally I don't think he makes the catch with nobody around them.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Bro, I completely understand. Hopefully they ref it straight next week. This upcoming game is pretty much the climax of the season for this division.

I hope so.

I couldn't imagine the Seahawks ever complaining about the refs.

And:
http://arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=103052

I agree. Seattle is the worse 8-4 team I have seen in a while.

 

[SuperSpck]

That was a wacky game, and our team deserves A MASSIVE amount of credit for pulling out a win. It was not pretty but when it comes down to it we won despite B.Berry, C.Okeafor, A.Boldin, L.Fitzgerald, A.Wilson, M.Leinart, E.Green, and A.Fransisco being out, and with Warner at 75%.

 

[SeaChicken]

I hope so.

I couldn't imagine the Seahawks ever complaining about the refs.

And:
http://arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=103052

I agree. Seattle is the worse 8-4 team I have seen in a while.

I get the feeling that something in this post was supposed to offend me. I guess I missed it.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I get the feeling that something in this post was supposed to offend me. I guess I missed it.

Get over yourself. I could care less about what you say, and do.

Just remember you are on a Cardinals Message board. If you come in here wearing Seahawk colors, and pumping the Seahawks there are some that are going to not like you for it.

You are from LA, and not Seattle so you have that going for you, and if you didn't wear a Seahawks jersey (so to speak) I bet your a real good guy.

But I hate the Seahawks and all that go with it, and I especially hate a Seahawks fan giving insight into Cardinal games.

Furthermore, if you are implying (and I understand that you have NOT said this anywhere) that we are being ridiculous on what we saw from the refs on Sunday well that is the pot calling the kettle black. The Seahawks are the biggest whiners and complainers I have ever seen on a football field.

Plus that picture of Hasselbumb is pretty funny to some. If you take "exception" or think I am poking fun then you are right. I am making fun of you and every single Seahawks fan out there. Cause I hate the Seahawks, all the fans, and everything associated with them. But you already now that.

 

[SeaChicken]

Get over yourself. I could care less about what you say, and do.

Just remember you are on a Cardinals Message board. If you come in here wearing Seahawk colors, and pumping the Seahawks there are some that are going to not like you for it.

You are from LA, and not Seattle so you have that going for you, and if you didn't wear a Seahawks jersey (so to speak) I bet your a real good guy.

But I hate the Seahawks and all that go with it, and I especially hate a Seahawks fan giving insight into Cardinal games.

Furthermore, if you are implying (and I understand that you have NOT said this anywhere) that we are being ridiculous on what we saw from the refs on Sunday well that is the pot calling the kettle black. The Seahawks are the biggest whiners and complainers I have ever seen on a football field.

Plus that picture of Hasselbumb is pretty funny to some. If you take "exception" or think I am poking fun then you are right. I am making fun of you and every single Seahawks fan out there. Cause I hate the Seahawks, all the fans, and everything associated with them. But you already now that.

Alrighty then.