The right thing to do.

[slanidrac16]

murray , Rosen , blah blah blah. The right thing to do is trade down and here’s why. A great draft will assure a bright future. You could drive yourself crazy on who we could draft if we got the boatload of picks that the first pick should get us. Imagine 4,25,33,36, and 65? Imagine the holes we could fill with rookie contracts for the next 5 years at o-line, edge rusher, d-line, wr, cb? Imagine the salary cap implications assuming we draft the right guys in those spots. Look at the top 65 college prospects and think of the possibilities. That being said it takes two to tango and you don’t trade the top pick for at least 3 top picks , maybe 4. Murray MAY turn out to be great but would any player be great enough to outweigh 5 players? But before you weigh in on this post I’m going on record to say we will not do this. I think we take Murray and trade Rosen. Bottom line is Murray will pack the house and put the Cardinals in the spotlight ALL YEAR LONG. And that is the bottom line.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Same thing was said in 2003

Suggs

and ya'll got
Bryant Johnson
Calvin Pace

16 years later the Cards got Suggs...lol

Take the pick if the guy they want is there...the idea that more is better is nonsense

 

[slanidrac16]

Same thing was said in 2003

Suggs

and ya'll got
Bryant Johnson
Calvin Pace

16 years later the Cards got Suggs...lol

Take the pick if the guy they want is there...the idea that more is better is nonsense

If I remember some of your past post I believe you’d be in favor of trading out and taking 5 offensive linemen... change of heart?

 

[FB94]

Don’t mind a trade down no lower than pick 4. Still guaranteed one of the top defensive guys. Any lower than that it has to be for a ransom not only this year but for some next year

 

[BigRedRage]

Trading down would be my preference but it takes two to tango and needs to be a good trade. Otherwise, take bosa or Williams and keep moving along.

Id rather get two mid to late firsts than have the top pick though. I want greedy Williams and nkeal harry.

 

[DVontel]

It’s funny cause you expect Keim to actually hit on those picks.

 

[ARZCardinals]

I 100% believe you build the line...especially in AZ's case. They don't have one guy who'd start for another team.
I'd draft Murray #1 just because he can move and make the O line better...and try to trade Rosen and pray you can get their #1 pick....and if so you draft another lineman at that pick.
Cards need 4 lineman at least...maybe Mason Cole might be a decent guard...he's not a good center

Humphries LT - puke
LG - Iupati - he's gone - wasn't panning out
C- Cole - well below average
RG- Pugh - yea p-U
RT - 4 guys started there....all bad

The entire O line is horrible...you can't expect DJ to run behind that crud nor any QB to throw behind it.

 

[slanidrac16]

Don’t mind a trade down no lower than pick 4. Still guaranteed one of the top defensive guys. Any lower than that it has to be for a ransom not only this year but for some next year

Absolutely. The Cardinals need to look at this as a two year plan but they won’t. Let’s face it. In today’s world it’s all about instant gratification and sorry to say selling tickets. I understand it’s hard to do. Weighing what Murray could be is pretty hard to pass up. It’s one we will love or regret for years to come.

 

[Solar7]

No thanks to trading down. 1. It's already been said, but Keim's track record in the first round has been poor, especially outside of the top 10. I don't want him moving out, getting fancy, and then whiffing on each pick, trying to out think the other teams.

2. I've said it in other threads, but this team is in desperate need of star power. The future is looking pretty bleak when it comes to guys on this roster that could be considered top-end at their position. We really only have 3-5 guys, and Fitz will be gone any moment, and PP21 and Chandler Jones only have a couple of years left.

We need top end talent, not a couple of reasonable starters.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Absolutely. The Cardinals need to look at this as a two year plan but they won’t. Let’s face it. In today’s world it’s all about instant gratification and sorry to say selling tickets. I understand it’s hard to do. Weighing what Murray could be is pretty hard to pass up. It’s one we will love or regret for years to come.

well said

 

[ARZCardinals]

No thanks to trading down. 1. It's already been said, but Keim's track record in the first round has been poor, especially outside of the top 10. I don't want him moving out, getting fancy, and then whiffing on each pick, trying to out think the other teams.

2. I've said it in other threads, but this team is in desperate need of star power. The future is looking pretty bleak when it comes to guys on this roster that could be considered top-end at their position. We really only have 3-5 guys, and Fitz will be gone any moment, and PP21 and Chandler Jones only have a couple of years left.

We need top end talent, not a couple of reasonable starters.

IMHO - Rosen might help a team get to the playoffs...but Murray will take teams deep in the playoffs year after year....he's got the 'it' factor

Look at Murray's tape last season....there are maybe 2 throws that were bad...that's it. He's on point

 

[Solar7]

IMHO - Rosen might help a team get to the playoffs...but Murray will take teams deep in the playoffs year after year....he's got the 'it' factor

Look at Murray's tape last season....there are maybe 2 throws that were bad...that's it. He's on point

I don't want Murray at all, but I'd rather have the team draft him than trade down, given that it will mean they think he's a game changer.

 

[AZCrazy]

Rosen can't be dumped for scraps though. The Raiders and Giants both need QB's and have multiple first round picks. You won't get the top one out of either of them, but maybe one of their later ones, for a known young kid like Rosen who has superb potential (at least as much as the QB's coming out this year) and just needs a good arrangement to develop in.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I 100% believe you build the line...especially in AZ's case. They don't have one guy who'd start for another team.
I'd draft Murray #1 just because he can move and make the O line better...and try to trade Rosen and pray you can get their #1 pick....and if so you draft another lineman at that pick.
Cards need 4 lineman at least...maybe Mason Cole might be a decent guard...he's not a good center

Humphries LT - puke
LG - Iupati - he's gone - wasn't panning out
C- Cole - well below average
RG- Pugh - yea p-U
RT - 4 guys started there....all bad

The entire O line is horrible...you can't expect DJ to run behind that crud nor any QB to throw behind it.

Humphries would start as would Pugh and Gilbert if they could all stay healthy. Cole would be a starter as a young promising center, and Iupati will probably start for the Seahawks... but can the Cardinals put a unit out there which can stay on the field long enough together to develop a cohesive whole

 

[BigRedRage]

IMHO - Rosen might help a team get to the playoffs...but Murray will take teams deep in the playoffs year after year....he's got the 'it' factor

Look at Murray's tape last season....there are maybe 2 throws that were bad...that's it. He's on point

the chargers should trade the farm for Murray.

 

[PACardsFan]

I 100% believe you build the line...especially in AZ's case. They don't have one guy who'd start for another team.
I'd draft Murray #1 just because he can move and make the O line better...and try to trade Rosen and pray you can get their #1 pick....and if so you draft another lineman at that pick.
Cards need 4 lineman at least...maybe Mason Cole might be a decent guard...he's not a good center

Humphries LT - puke
LG - Iupati - he's gone - wasn't panning out
C- Cole - well below average
RG- Pugh - yea p-U
RT - 4 guys started there....all bad

The entire O line is horrible...you can't expect DJ to run behind that crud nor any QB to throw behind it.

I agree that a certain type of QB can make even a below average OL look much better. And he can make an average OL look great. Slanidrac asked a very good question. Is a great Murray great enough to outweigh 5 players? If, in fact, Murray turns out to be great, then I would say yes. I think that Murray can be great behind an average O-Line, whereas for Rosen to be great (and I believe he can be), he needs a much more stout O-Line than Murray does. Considering that we can count our great O-Linemen in franchise history on 1 hand, what's the likelihood we can build the type of O-Line that Rosen needs.

If KK thinks we can build that O-Line & teach Rosen to get the ball out faster, then he may very well keep Rosen. With the right team, right system, I think Josh can be very good. For that reason, I think we can get a 1st rounder if we trade him. As much as I prayed daily for that 1st pick, I now hate the fact that we're in this Rosen/Murray predicament.

 

[DVontel]

Russell Wilson for being as a great of a QB as he is wasn’t stopping him from getting sacked to the ground non-stop due to an awful OLine.

I remember Vick being the most sacked QB in the league when he was a Falcon for a little bit.

 

[Zeno]

Russell Wilson for being as a great of a QB as he is wasn’t stopping him from getting sacked to the ground non-stop due to an awful OLine.

I remember Vick being the most sacked QB in the league when he was a Falcon for a little bit.

Yep and to illustrate that point the 2011 Broncos gave up 42 sacks with Tebow, the 2012 Broncos gave up 21 with Manning (with over 150 more passing attempts). Their OL was pretty much the exact same both seasons except for their RG.

QB mobility is an overrated factor when it comes to sacks.

 

[Broseph]

If you want to sell tickets and generate hype and keep us in the national media, you take Murray at #1.

 

[Solar7]

Rosen can't be dumped for scraps though. The Raiders and Giants both need QB's and have multiple first round picks. You won't get the top one out of either of them, but maybe one of their later ones, for a known young kid like Rosen who has superb potential (at least as much as the QB's coming out this year) and just needs a good arrangement to develop in.

Oh, come on. If he's not the guy we want, why does he have "superb potential?" We'll be abandoning him because we don't trust him, and will be lucky to get a late third.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Yep and to illustrate that point the 2011 Broncos gave up 42 sacks with Tebow, the 2012 Broncos gave up 21 with Manning (with over 150 more passing attempts). Their OL was pretty much the exact same both seasons except for their RG.

QB mobility is an overrated factor when it comes to sacks.

Is that the year the Broncos got to the second round of the playoffs?

I am legit asking before I look it up

 

[Zeno]

Is that the year the Broncos got to the second round of the playoffs?

I am legit asking before I look it up

2011 was the year the Tebow led Broncos beat the Steelers...they were 8-8 and got smoked the next week by the Patriots.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

It was .

Same formula as the Ravens last year .

I am not advocating it, I just think it's an odd example

 

[Zeno]

It was .

Same formula as the Ravens last year .

I am not advocating it, I just think it's an odd example

How is it an odd example? A mobile QB versus a pocket QB and comparing sacks between the two with very little change of OL personnel.

Anyone that thinks mobile QB automatically equals less sacks isn’t paying attention to league history.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

So again I would point to the fact that Murray isn't a Tebow or Jackson. He is hyper accurate within the pocket and most of his runs are designed.

I get the midget commentary. Yes he is short.

He is a pocket QB who can scramble, not a pure RPO QB