The sign of real problems

[Cheesebeef]

This is so sad, Isabella's stats for 2021, one catch for 13 yds. Inactive for 7 games and did not play in two others. That catch cost $1.26MM It's no mystery why the team is where it's at.

he was a 2nd round pick, right? Good lord.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

The ultimate problem is Steve Keim and his abysmal draft record.

 

[kerouac9]

The bright side of this is that this was an 11-win team where people think that small adjustments in any of a number of areas would potentially make a big difference in taking the next step from playoff entrant to Super Bowl contender.

 

[football karma]

The bright side of this is that this was an 11-win team where people think that small adjustments in any of a number of areas would potentially make a big difference in taking the next step from playoff entrant to Super Bowl contender.

yes

the NFC QB situation with Brady retiring, Rogers on the move maybe to the AFC and the uncertainty that is Trey Lance -- the NFC is wide open

Its hard to keep in mind the way the season ended, but the 11 wins weren't a fluke.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

The bright side of this is that this was an 11-win team where people think that small adjustments in any of a number of areas would potentially make a big difference in taking the next step from playoff entrant to Super Bowl contender.

A fair point. It seems equally plausible (at least to me) that we could win 11 games again next year.

At least this offseason won't be boring. Every FA move, every draft pick, every trade will be super-charged with emotion.

 

[football karma]

To me, the interesting result of this is next season becomes an absolute powder keg.

with Keim and Kliff going into the last years of their contracts, it will add an interesting dynamic. Moreso for Keim

 

[JeffGollin]

32 teams..Half of them well-coached or astutely managed.

They all can't make the playoffs...let alone Super Bowl...Then there's injuries and other visits by lady luck.

Every team can't win.

And so you fire the coach.

Now I have no problem changing regimes if the team is haunted by chronic "bad luck" or its gaze into the future repeatedly comes up a "brick wall. But we too often unnecessarily cast aside investment in plans, players, mgt/coaching talent and, most of all "time" in the hope of swallowing some sort of magical pill instead of "doing things the right way", rolling with the odds and occasionally "going long" with a gutsy decision.

The top dozen HC's are pretty danged impressive. The Cards appear to have one leg in and one leg out of this group.

While it would be cool to root for a chronic member of the Top 12, I think making change every 3 years is a high risk/low reward proposition.

in short - coach-up KK and get him to make needed changes in tactics before firing him.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

with Keim and Kliff going into the last years of their contracts, it will add an interesting dynamic. Moreso for Keim

Keim is the last year of his contract too? wow! I honestly had no idea, and thanks for sharing that.

 

[juza76]

Keim is the last year of his contract too? wow! I honestly had no idea, and thanks for sharing that.

I fear in this situation he would trade picks away for veterans, which is not a good idea medium long term

 

[KYCardFan]

It dawned on me as I read the merry-go-round of posters posting the same thing over and over again in thread after thread how much a truly organization-wide issue exists with this team. It’s called Problems Everywhere.

We have vocal GROUPS of posters blaming our ills on:

Keim
Kliff
Vance
Bill Davis
Kyler
Our receivers
Our oline (and can’t even agree on who are the problems there)
Our d line
Our linebackers (and our coaches’ use or lack thereof of them)
Our cornerbacks
Injuries

And there are literally reasonable-to-very-good arguments being made about each and every one of these elements. And none of them are being made by just one poster diatribes. In other words, the Cardinals have effectively baffled an entire board of pretty knowledgeable, observant, interested fans if we can’t come close to at least a couple of consensus regarding the central issues.

Know what that tells me? Institutionwide issues. It’s likely a confluence of ALL of them to a degree that compound one and other. So the scary thing to me is that this likely isn’t just a matter of fixing one or two issues. Yes, doing so will improve the situation, but we’ll still be mired down by the gravity of those issues left unsolved. And yes, I know that the buck stops at Michael. But nothing is going to change there.

It’s a little maddening coming to this realization.

Implosion in 2022?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Keim is the last year of his contract too? wow! I honestly had no idea, and thanks for sharing that.

I think that means the answer is obvious.

One more year to figure it out. Plus if Kyler plays like ****, you could move on as well.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I think that means the answer is obvious.

One more year to figure it out. Plus if Kyler plays like ****, you could move on as well.

If it becomes clear that changing QBs is what's best for the long-term future of the franchise, then yes, we should move on from Murray. If he plays like **** next year, we should pass on the option year, and let him walk. Happy now?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I fear in this situation he would trade picks away for veterans, which is not a good idea medium long term

Hmmm... that is a very disconcerting thought juza, since desperate men do take desperate actions.

Let's hope Mike B. is keeping a close eye on Keim as we go through the most important offseaon in recent memory.

 

[cardpa]

32 teams..Half of them well-coached or astutely managed.

They all can't make the playoffs...let alone Super Bowl...Then there's injuries and other visits by lady luck.

Every team can't win.

And so you fire the coach.

Now I have no problem changing regimes if the team is haunted by chronic "bad luck" or its gaze into the future repeatedly comes up a "brick wall. But we too often unnecessarily cast aside investment in plans, players, mgt/coaching talent and, most of all "time" in the hope of swallowing some sort of magical pill instead of "doing things the right way", rolling with the odds and occasionally "going long" with a gutsy decision.

The top dozen HC's are pretty danged impressive. The Cards appear to have one leg in and one leg out of this group.

While it would be cool to root for a chronic member of the Top 12, I think making change every 3 years is a high risk/low reward proposition.

in short - coach-up KK and get him to make needed changes in tactics before firing him.

Who's going to coach him up? Keim? His assistants?

 

[TRW]

Tough offseason coming up. They are over the cap by $800k+, could be handcuffed in FA pursuits without some restructuring, etc. and UFAs to consider along with the players they draft costs. Going to be juggling chainsaws for Mr. Keim I’m afraid. We will see if he’s up to the challenge.

 

[PDXChris]

I have come to the conclusion it's first Keim drafting poorly and then supplementing that with a heavy reliance on free agency... older players wear down late into the season and hence we start losing because of a lack of juice and depth

I read somewhere that Kiem is somewhat removed from FA signing aside from money and that it is Adrian Wilson doing and Kiem is more draft heavy. If that is true, then Kien brings no value and it's time to move on.

Take this with a grain of salt since it was on Twitter when talking about the Jacksonville job.

 

[Morty]

We are in a state of limbo. We are not Bad enough to blow it all up” but not good enough to go for the gold.
In reality we really won’t be competing for the Lombardi trophy next year. There are to many holes to fix.

No cap space. So we will be forced once again to signing one year prove it deals to injured or older players.
Even if we have an outstanding draft it will not come to fruition in 2022.

Keim is the problem and Bidwill is the enabler. That ain’t gonna change. We will be fed the same old lines as the new year begins.

Just imagine next season if instead of starting 7-0 we stumble out of the gate 2-5.

Next season is going to be ugly.

When was the last time the Cardinals "Blew it all up?" They seem adverse to this tactic. Perhaps this is an issue. Without developing a strong foundation the house keeps falling. It seems most good teams draft a couple of years of good to great players. They develop together with a coach and make a run for it. If the owner refuses to admit that there is a natural cycle of a team being up and down then you get folks working for him telling him what he wants to hear. Which results in hiring the wrong coach, drafting the wrong players, and signing the wrong free agents. Human nature is a complicated thing. We'd think that a rich owner set financially for generations would focus on paying top dollar on the best folks to manage his team. Following this logic you'd go after the best GM (best drafts over time) and best head coach (wins over time). It seems that instead the team is more focused on who the owner can trust and who will be loyal to the owner. It is a funny sport. Players, coaches, and management are under a microscope and help to a high level of accountability. The owner has absolutely no one to be accountable to. It would be interesting to look at how each owner handles this level of freedom. One the other hand, even if all the owners were making all the right chooses and all the GMs made all the right picks and all the coaches made the right calls your team would only win once ever 32 years!

 

[82CardsGrad]

It dawned on me as I read the merry-go-round of posters posting the same thing over and over again in thread after thread how much a truly organization-wide issue exists with this team. It’s called Problems Everywhere.

We have vocal GROUPS of posters blaming our ills on:

Keim
Kliff
Vance
Bill Davis
Kyler
Our receivers
Our oline (and can’t even agree on who are the problems there)
Our d line
Our linebackers (and our coaches’ use or lack thereof of them)
Our cornerbacks
Injuries

And there are literally reasonable-to-very-good arguments being made about each and every one of these elements. And none of them are being made by just one poster diatribes. In other words, the Cardinals have effectively baffled an entire board of pretty knowledgeable, observant, interested fans if we can’t come close to at least a couple of consensus regarding the central issues.

Know what that tells me? Institutionwide issues. It’s likely a confluence of ALL of them to a degree that compound one and other. So the scary thing to me is that this likely isn’t just a matter of fixing one or two issues. Yes, doing so will improve the situation, but we’ll still be mired down by the gravity of those issues left unsolved. And yes, I know that the buck stops at Michael. But nothing is going to change there.

It’s a little maddening coming to this realization.

I think it's fair to take a short look back in the rear-view mirror and ask:

- Were any of these concerns in place when BA was here?
- Did Wilks get a fair shot, or, was he caught-up in the wake of a draft of Rosen that was clearly a reach and huge mistake?
- And finally, did all, or most of our concerns surface with the hiring of Kliff? If we can objective here (which is a huge ask I know...), why in the world was Kliff hired? What was the basis of support that propelled Kliff to the front of the line?
- As a result of hiring a guy with zero resume to support being a NFL coach, I believe Keim and Mike B instinctively knew that they needed to be more "involved" than they would've been with, say a BA for example.
Kliff is floundering in waters WAY over his head. As a result, this team, as the board and now you have succinctly pointed out ad nauseum, is leaking water from stem to stern.
Yea... we won 11 games this past season. But yet another second half of the season collapse is the blaring alarm whistle signaling the harsh reality...the truth. The lack of meaningful development of Kyler Murray...Kirk... Simmons... Murphy... Collins(?)...
Keim tried to bring in vets to fill the void created by having a head coach who is drowning... But if you understand leadership dynamics, the reality is that the fish always rots at the head first... The head coach is the head of the fish. And it's rotten...

 

[cardfaninfl]

in short - coach-up KK

Oh, ffs

One the other hand, even if all the owners were making all the right chooses and all the GMs made all the right picks and all the coaches made the right calls your team would only win once ever 32 years!

So, by that logic... they had to sabotage their turn on the cycle. TWICE.

- Did Wilks get a fair shot, or, was he caught-up in the wake of a draft of Rosen that was clearly a reach and huge mistake?

Who are you people?

 

[DVontel]

I think it's fair to take a short look back in the rear-view mirror and ask:

- Were any of these concerns in place when BA was here?
- Did Wilks get a fair shot, or, was he caught-up in the wake of a draft of Rosen that was clearly a reach and huge mistake?
- And finally, did all, or most of our concerns surface with the hiring of Kliff? If we can objective here (which is a huge ask I know...), why in the world was Kliff hired? What was the basis of support that propelled Kliff to the front of the line?
- As a result of hiring a guy with zero resume to support being a NFL coach, I believe Keim and Mike B instinctively knew that they needed to be more "involved" than they would've been with, say a BA for example.
Kliff is floundering in waters WAY over his head. As a result, this team, as the board and now you have succinctly pointed out ad nauseum, is leaking water from stem to stern.
Yea... we won 11 games this past season. But yet another second half of the season collapse is the blaring alarm whistle signaling the harsh reality...the truth. The lack of meaningful development of Kyler Murray...Kirk... Simmons... Murphy... Collins(?)...
Keim tried to bring in vets to fill the void created by having a head coach who is drowning... But if you understand leadership dynamics, the reality is that the fish always rots at the head first... The head coach is the head of the fish. And it's rotten...

Hold up. Are you really trying to absolve Keim of any blame?

 

[Morty]

Oh, ffs

So, by that logic... they had to sabotage their turn on the cycle. TWICE.

Who are you people?

People posting on a message board. Who are you?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The bright side of this is that this was an 11-win team where people think that small adjustments in any of a number of areas would potentially make a big difference in taking the next step from playoff entrant to Super Bowl contender.

I think this is a misinterpretation of what I said. I think it’s adjustments (some small some larger) are needed in a LOT of areas to have a material impact on the team. Taking out two of the 30 small knives isn’t going to move the dial.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

32 teams..Half of them well-coached or astutely managed.

They all can't make the playoffs...let alone Super Bowl...Then there's injuries and other visits by lady luck.

Every team can't win.

And so you fire the coach.

Now I have no problem changing regimes if the team is haunted by chronic "bad luck" or its gaze into the future repeatedly comes up a "brick wall. But we too often unnecessarily cast aside investment in plans, players, mgt/coaching talent and, most of all "time" in the hope of swallowing some sort of magical pill instead of "doing things the right way", rolling with the odds and occasionally "going long" with a gutsy decision.

The top dozen HC's are pretty danged impressive. The Cards appear to have one leg in and one leg out of this group.

While it would be cool to root for a chronic member of the Top 12, I think making change every 3 years is a high risk/low reward proposition.

in short - coach-up KK and get him to make needed changes in tactics before firing him.

Coach up the head coach? Who does that?!?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

KEIM HAS ONE PLAYOFF WIN IN 9 YEARS!!!

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[82CardsGrad]

Hold up. Are you really trying to absolve Keim of any blame?

Hell no! He hired Kliff!