The Sky is Falling...
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but the browns have a history of being a poo organization and players who go there rarely develop... we are generally considered a better organization
Arz101
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This team shoveled itself way out of NFL's irrelevance over the last 10 years. Sure as hell Bidwill is not going to OK tanking for draft picks ever.
Solar7
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Historically bad (both technically expansion franchises):
- Browns
- Texans
Who else here is historically bad? Every AFC team listed besides these two, the Chiefs, and the Redskins, have been to two Conference Championship games in the past twenty years. And I don't think anyone would argue the Chiefs have been historically bad - they've been a perennial playoff team for years.
I'm looking at your bolded teams, and I can't agree.
2007: Browns - I'll give it to you.
2009: Buccaneers - two consecutive winning seasons. Not "bad."
2010: Broncos - 3 consecutive seasons of 8-8/7-9. Not "bad."
2011: Jaguars - two consecutive seasons of 8-8/7-9. Not "bad."
2012: Redskins - I'll give it to you.
2014: Vikings - not a good year, but the year before, were 10-6. Middling.
2016: Rams - Basically stuck in the "perpetually 8-8" years of Jeff Fisher. Not "bad."
The point is, this team is hovering around .500, like the rest of these examples. We're not a drastically better team than most of these. We'd be just as guilty of moving up in sheer desperation as anything listed.
Well we supposedly had 20 million in cap... Bradford eats that up... Save 2.8 with AP cut I’m sure not saving a ton by Matthieu restructure?
Still have to pay all the Rooks. So I’m guessing most of our free agency is over with for the most part. At least any sexy signings by any means.
Still have to pay all the Rooks. So I’m guessing most of our free agency is over with for the most part. At least any sexy signings by any means.
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Please tell me some of you all were willing to give Cousins an $84 million guaranteed contract.
come on man... the Bucs were the Browns before the Browns came back into the league and Jacksonville has been inept forever up until recently... I guess it boils down to how you define bad.... three consecutive years of .500 or less is bad, and we are sitting on the verge of it... but truthfully, with the exception of a few "good" years...we have been a historically bad franchise too...and the only way to change that is to get a franchise QB, so we can stop messing with that position every few years and focus on the rest of the team.... we had a decent run... but now we are screwed... had Keim addressed the QB position properly, ...right now we would just be shifting gears
over three years...lmao... no way
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All spent and we still suck. Depressing.
Solar7
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The Bucs were only six years removed from a Super Bowl - which we don't have - and had just released their Super Bowl winning coach. They may have been "historically bad," but their roster was not completely depleted. Even then, they only moved up two spots - they didn't go from #15 to #1.
Jacksonville has only been around for 23 years and has made the playoffs in 7 of those seasons. Yes, the past decade has been a downer for them, but still, they were only two years out of the playoffs when they made that move.
My only point is that moving up is a fool's errand. It doesn't work for anyone. We're not the miraculous "good team" that is going to break tradition.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
This is silly. If the Cards don't improve quickly, we will be starting over in three years anyways. What is morelikely, a guy who has not played 16 games in 6 years playing 16 games OR a guy who consistently throwing for 4000 yards and playing in all of the games, doing the same?
The Cardinals put themselves in a bad situation without an easy way to dig out of it. That being said, I don't really care. Keim doesn't get a participation trophy for doing what a GM should. Cousins was the easy fix to Wilks and Keim sticking around and getting a next contract. Now the job has been made more difficult and with less room for error. We will end up paying for two marginal QBs because the top guy can't stay healthy. That requires money that could be used on other needs.
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WildBB
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And everyone knew that if they went with Bradford that it was only step 1.
Now they can go after some real help along the Oline a reciever 1A and TE for a start. That probably wasn't a reality if Cousins was signed. B/u QB's earn about 2m. Yes they'll draft a rookie QB high if they get that opportunity and get him up to speed. They could even draft two this year, depending who falls where.
I think it's exiting times to get new young blood in here and see where this staff and organization can take this. They want to rely on David Johnson heavily and add to what he brings.
Seattle is already in rebuild mode. We need to add some youth at QB and build this up the right way.
You develop your own. That's the solution. Always will be. Build your team and stop trying to take the easy quick fix route. It never works, especialy with the gaping holes it still needs to address. Nothing silly about it. There are calculated risks and silly risks. They came out better able to address more needs at critical positions, and do it longer term, despite themselves.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
And everyone knew that if they went with Bradford that it was only step 1.
Now they can go after some real help along the Oline a reciever 1A and TE for a start. That probably wasn't a reality if Cousins was signed. B/u QB's earn about 2m. Yes they'll draft a rookie QB high if they get that opportunity and get him up to speed. They could even draft two this year, depending who falls where.
I think it's exiting times to get new young blood in here and see where this staff and organization can take this. They want to rely on David Johnson heavily and add to what he brings.
Seattle is already in rebuild mode. We need to add some youth at QB and build this up the right way.
You develop your own. That's the solution. Always will be. Build your team and stop trying to take the easy quick fix route. It never works, especialy with the gaping holes it still needs to address. Nothing silly about it. There are calculated risks and silly risks. They came out better able to address more needs at critical positions, and do it longer term, despite themselves.
You are counting on your first time, defensive minded head coach coaching up the 5th best QB in the draft. I think that is unrealistic. Now, if we come out of the draft with Baker Mayfield, we might be pok because he is the most polished guy available.
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Football is a team game, not a QB game.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
Today's NFL is almost completely a QB game. There are exceptions, but the most common way to win in the NFL is to have the better QB.
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I thought you were smarter than that. It is a team game, the other 21 players can make or break you. Jeez, really? Defenses have won for QB's that suck. It is a team game, period. Put the best QB on the worst team and they are not winning crap. i.e. Elway, he could not win crap until he had a running game and a defense. He sucked in the SB before that.
