The Sports Nations seems to think we did very well...

[Mulli]

This has probably been posted, but Keyshawn was mocking the pick. He talked about the possibility that Ginn won't be able to get off the line of scrimmage, "the jam." About Ginn, he said, "he is a punt returner."

 

[Gambit]

I don't know what was so funny about the Ted Ginn pick. Numerous draft services/sites had him rated as a top 10 pick. I guess people are laughing because he only ran a 4.4 40 on an ankle that was about 75%. Those people may want to look and see what he did on the playing field. Just watch the first play of the Nat'l championship game and you'll see Reggie Nelson, of supposed 4.4-4.5 speed, get left behind like he was Maurice Clarett running aftre Ginn.

I am from Ohio and an Ohio State fan, but I have to say the Ginn pick was a reach. I don't think he was worth it. If he can learn to run actual routes, instead of the beeline, then maybe he will grow into being worthy of the 9th overall.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I don't know what was so funny about the Ted Ginn pick. Numerous draft services/sites had him rated as a top 10 pick. I guess people are laughing because he only ran a 4.4 40 on an ankle that was about 75%. Those people may want to look and see what he did on the playing field. Just watch the first play of the Nat'l championship game and you'll see Reggie Nelson, of supposed 4.4-4.5 speed, get left behind like he was Maurice Clarett running aftre Ginn.

The thing that is funny about the Ginn pick, is that Miami has openly complained about needing a franchise QB, and they haven't had one since Marino retired. From quite a few sources, Miami was contemplating trading up to draft him, and then the perfect scenerio comes up. Quinn is available at #9, and they don't have to trade up.

What do they do, they draft a player who still hasn't fully recovered from an ankle injury. I know they spent a 2nd on Culpepper last year, but I seriously don't think that they are happy with him.

Because of where Miami drafts every year, they have little opportunity to draft a quality franchise QB, and passed on him.

As someone mentioned in another post. Miami passing on Quinn is equivelant to the Cards passing on Matt Leinart.

 

[Gambit]

The thing that is funny about the Ginn pick, is that Miami has openly complained about needing a franchise QB, and they haven't had one since Marino retired. From quite a few sources, Miami was contemplating trading up to draft him, and then the perfect scenerio comes up. Quinn is available at #9, and they don't have to trade up.

What do they do, they draft a player who still hasn't fully recovered from an ankle injury. I know they spent a 2nd on Culpepper last year, but I seriously don't think that they are happy with him.

Because of where Miami drafts every year, they have little opportunity to draft a quality franchise QB, and passed on him.

As someone mentioned in another post. Miami passing on Quinn is equivelant to the Cards passing on Matt Leinart.

That's the headscratcher. Although they did get Beck who looks to be very promising. But the Fins' PR could use some work. Cam Cameron explaining Ginn was worth #9 by saying "Just watch him return punts for us" was pretty bad.

I was also pleased to see Kevin Kolb go so early, although Philly fans booed the choice (although they boo everything). I guess that says a lot about the Iggles' take on McNabb and his propensity for season-ending injuries.

 

[blindseyed]

I think of it this way, ranking players as over all as opposed to ranking them by the need of the individual team, is completely different. AP was the glamour pick at #5 and as an over-all, he was the best player there BUT we needed a OT before a RB, so of course you take Brown. AP would've struggled behind this line and to tell you the truth a few years back there was this same discussiion about Cadillac and Cedric Benson. Whis has shown he is going to make this team into a tough, mean pounding team and you start in the trenches with the OL. It's not a reach in the very leats, IMO.
The more I look at it, the more I love the Branch pick. Big aggressive DL.
I have been extremely critical of the FO with good reason but on this day, they did good! Kudos for listening to Whis and giving him a chance to 'shop for his own ingredients' (Bill Parcells quote)

 

[PACardsFan]

I am from Ohio and an Ohio State fan, but I have to say the Ginn pick was a reach. I don't think he was worth it. If he can learn to run actual routes, instead of the beeline, then maybe he will grow into being worthy of the 9th overall.

Miami really, really needed a gamebreaker. They were extremely slow on that side of the ball. They just didn't see a huge drop-off between Quinn & the next tier of QB's. I think that Ginn has a ton of upside & that QB from BYU is a perfect fit in the NFL. Personally, I think it will take Russell a long, long time to make an impact, if EVER. I just didn't like what I saw in big games from this guy. He may have a big arm, but he's slow & his delivery is way too long. He reminds me too much of Culpepper. Thank God he's big, because he is going to take some monster hits in the pocket. Quinn will turn out to be the better NFL QB, by FAR.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Miami really, really needed a gamebreaker. They were extremely slow on that side of the ball. They just didn't see a huge drop-off between Quinn & the next tier of QB's. I think that Ginn has a ton of upside & that QB from BYU is a perfect fit in the NFL. Personally, I think it will take Russell a long, long time to make an impact, if EVER. I just didn't like what I saw in big games from this guy. He may have a big arm, but he's slow & his delivery is way too long. He reminds me too much of Culpepper. Thank God he's big, because he is going to take some monster hits in the pocket. Quinn will turn out to be the better NFL QB, by FAR.

Then pity on them. (Miami FO) Besides Leinart and P. Manning (if you want to go that far back) he is the most NFL ready QB to come out in a long time. Charlie Weis's college playbook was over 5000 plays, and Quinn had to memorize all of them, including the hot reads, audibles, etc.

 

[PACardsFan]

Then pity on them. (Miami FO) Besides Leinart and P. Manning (if you want to go that far back) he is the most NFL ready QB to come out in a long time. Charlie Weis's college playbook was over 5000 plays, and Quinn had to memorize all of them, including the hot reads, audibles, etc.

I agree wholeheartedly. I will be shocked if Quinn doesn't become a great NFL QB. I hate the Steelers, so I'm tickled that the Browns snatched him.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The thing that is funny about the Ginn pick, is that Miami has openly complained about needing a franchise QB, and they haven't had one since Marino retired. From quite a few sources, Miami was contemplating trading up to draft him, and then the perfect scenerio comes up. Quinn is available at #9, and they don't have to trade up.

What do they do, they draft a player who still hasn't fully recovered from an ankle injury. I know they spent a 2nd on Culpepper last year, but I seriously don't think that they are happy with him.

Because of where Miami drafts every year, they have little opportunity to draft a quality franchise QB, and passed on him.

As someone mentioned in another post. Miami passing on Quinn is equivelant to the Cards passing on Matt Leinart.

I don't buy that argument at all especially when you consider they got Beck in round 2. Name one guy on Miami that can strecth a defense. If Culpepper gets healthy,i know that's questionable, then Brady wouldn't see the field for 3 -5 years anyway. Then you're sitting there with nothing to show for your 1st round pick. Then you throw in Trent Green into the mix and you have, potentially, 3 quality QB's in Green, Culpepper, and Beck to go with Ginn. If they take Quinn they are sitting there with Green, Culpepper, and Quinn with WR's about as fast as me and i'm pretty slow. I'll take Ginn over Quinn anyday.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I don't buy that argument at all especially when you consider they got Beck in round 2. Name one guy on Miami that can strecth a defense. If Culpepper gets healthy,i know that's questionable, then Brady wouldn't see the field for 3 -5 years anyway. Then you're sitting there with nothing to show for your 1st round pick. Then you throw in Trent Green into the mix and you have, potentially, 3 quality QB's in Green, Culpepper, and Beck to go with Ginn. If they take Quinn they are sitting there with Green, Culpepper, and Quinn with WR's about as fast as me and i'm pretty slow. I'll take Ginn over Quinn anyday.

Chambers. Game over.

Miami had no idea what QB was going to be available in the 2nd. You take Ginn everyday and I'll take Quinn. There is no way that Quinn sits 3-5 years. No #1 QB just sits for 3-5 years without being able to play. It just doesn't happen. He may flame out when he does, but he doesn't sit 3-5 years. Even Rivers got to play after sitting 2 years.

 

[Mulli]

Did they acquire Green? Missed that.

 

[Pariah]

It also doesnt mean that they arent.

Of course. But saying it's a good pick simply because it's who the Cards coveted and dismissing everything else doesn't wash with me.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Chambers. Game over.

You're obvioulsy not talking about Chris Chambers.

No they haven't acquired Green yet but they will.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You're obvioulsy not talking about Chris Chambers.

No they haven't acquired Green yet but they will.

Chris Chambers has the ability to stretch a defense. He played very well in 05. Randy McMichael has the same ability. If you are talking about blinding speed, that's one thing. Neither of these two guys has that.

Using your own logic, why would Miami go after Green, now that they have Culpepper, Joey Harrington, as well as drafting Beck? If so, it would be because they are not happy with their franchise QB.

 

[Mulli]

Chris Chambers has the ability to stretch a defense. He played very well in 05. Randy McMichael has the same ability. If you are talking about blinding speed, that's one thing. Neither of these two guys has that.

Using your own logic, why would Miami go after Green, now that they have Culpepper, Joey Harrington, as well as drafting Beck? If so, it would be because they are not happy with their franchise QB.

DCR, Joseph Harrington is in Atlanta, I believe.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

DCR, Joseph Harrington is in Atlanta, I believe.

I must have missed that, and so has the NFL. They still have Joey listed on Miami's depth chart.

 

[Mulli]

I must have missed that, and so has the NFL. They still have Joey listed on Miami's depth chart.

Some of us have it....

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Chris Chambers has the ability to stretch a defense. He played very well in 05. Randy McMichael has the same ability. If you are talking about blinding speed, that's one thing. Neither of these two guys has that.

Chris Chambers averaged 11.5 ypc last year(13 the previous year). Ginn will average that on punt returns.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Chris Chambers averaged 11.5 ypc last year(13 the previous year). Ginn will average that on punt returns.

Antonio Gates only averaged 13 YPC. I guess he can't stretch defenses either.

 

[Mulli]

Chris Chambers averaged 11.5 ypc last year(13 the previous year). Ginn will average that on punt returns.

He will have a lot of opportunities to work on that average.

 

[Heucrazy]

Chris Chambers has the ability to stretch a defense. He played very well in 05. Randy McMichael has the same ability. If you are talking about blinding speed, that's one thing. Neither of these two guys has that.

Using your own logic, why would Miami go after Green, now that they have Culpepper, Joey Harrington, as well as drafting Beck? If so, it would be because they are not happy with their franchise QB.

McMichael is a Ram now.

 

[Mulli]

McMichael is a Ram now.

DCR, I missed that one as well. Doh!