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Ladies and Gentlemen,

Many of you are like me. Long time Cardinals fans. We have seen some things. This weekend, for me at least, was one of the worse. May be worse than the 41-6 Browns game....it may.

Look, it is not so much the game. It is more the actions of said coach.

So, you bench, and mix up the lineup after the bye. You justify it by saying players need to be accountable.

You bench John Skelton, for good reason. And give specific reasons for it.

You cannot then go out against the Jets and do what he did. Then you can't pile a bunch of bullcrap on top, and hope the Bidwill's amazing experience on making horrific things disappear are going to make it go away.


1. The system.

He says the system works. It doesn't. It never have. Without Kurt Warner, or a great defense like in Pittsburgh, or a great DC like Horton Whiz wouldn't even be a coach in the league. Show me what the man can claim as his own accomplishment ?

Taking Denny Green's roster to the Superbowl ? Winning the Superbowl behind a great defense ?

Not buying it.


2. The Wide Receivers.

Really ? ........................... Really ?

If the system works so well, the how can WR's that have 3, 4, 7 years in the league not be able to run the right routes ? HOW ?

These are professional athletes, and football is just not THAT hard. All this "look and see", "read on the fly" bullcrap doesn't work. Never has.

The QB has no idea where the ball should go, the WR's have no idea where to run the route. It is a mess, and it shows up on the field.

To call out your receivers is so pathetically bad, I HOPE it was for the sake of protecting another one of the failed QB's to cycle through ....."the system"

Sorry. Not buying it.


3. Ryan Lindley gives you the best chance to win.

Ugh, this board. Don't know what some of you have against John Skelton. He is not the answer that is 100% sure. But, he won games for this organization. Thank goodness for Whiz's neck this wasn't Kevin Kolb. My goodness the defense for him would have shook mountains.

Unfortunately, Skelton is not the popular guy so for some reason he deserves no defense ?

Where are all the "stats guys". Why don't we pull some of Lindley's stats, and see how they stack up to John Skelton ?

Career:
50 for 103 448 yds ZERO TD passes, and 5 INT's ...... in three games.

That is 48% completion percentage, and 4.3 yards a pass. 4.3 !!!!!!!

4.3, you just run the ball at that point.

But, stats ? They don't mean nothing. Wins do. But, Lindley is 0-3.

OK, what about our favorite, "Moxie" - I saw a immature QB that completely ----- the bed by the second quarter. He had no idea what was going on, where to throw the ball, how to throw the ball, what to do. Just embarrassing for him too tell you the truth.

BUT - That supposedly was better then sending Skelton out there ? Really ?

Sorry, not buying it.


4. Russ Grimm.

He sucks.


5. Mike Miller

Looks like if Bunsen and Beaker had a baby and then pooped on it. Is this guy for real. The best thing about Mike Miller, is that he will never have a job again. Anywhere.

Would you dare hire him ?


That's it. That is all I got.

Just saying that not only was the game bad, but the handling of the situation after was transparent, unprofessional, and a steaming pile from the owner down to the coach.

You try and find the interview online or anywhere from this afternoon, the FULL one.

ALL of a sudden those podcasts are up on the site where they are supposed to be.

Again. You don't want to feel the wrath of angry then do your job better.

This wadding up in a ball and playing games to try and "lesson the blow" is insulting.

We are all not that stupid (lol, even though I am making a good case for it this week.) Its transparent and making things worse.

OK. Done.

I am off the soap box.

The season is in the tank. The players are turning on each other. The locker will be fracturing, and there is going to be some uninspired football for the next 4 weeks as coaches, and players get ready for an offseason where this things SHOULD be blown up.

Yet, this is the Cardinals and this organization is so clueless at time they just might "blame injuries" and try to march this steaming pile on the field for another historically bad season.
 

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I agree. I couldn't take watching it. It is time for change on multiple levels.
 

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It all starts at the top Rugby!!!

We will find out in 4 weeks how bad The Bidwills want to win. We tasted some success, now we've fallen over the cliff. It's time...fire the GM & hire a football mind who has a plan, hire a no non sense coach who can assemble a great staff, who can teach fundamental winning football & do everything possible to acquire a QB the new staff thinks can lead them to a title.

Dear Bill & Michael time to prove to your fans to want your stadium full again!
 

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What shows is the fact that Bidwells only business is the Cardinals. Any businessman with even a modicum of judgment would be decisive and fire the head coach today.
 

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What shows is the fact that Bidwells only business is the Cardinals. Any businessman with even a modicum of judgment would be decisive and fire the head coach today.

Bidwill

And there's nothing to accomplish by firing him now. Let him finish out the season and sleep in the proverbial bed he made.
 
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Wow, Rugby you didn't sleep at all last night did you! :hulk:

Actually, I slept fine.

Just embarrassing to have to apologize for guests who came over to watch NFL football, and the Cardinals couldn't even give them that. Just a game.

Then to hear the crap spewed by this organization today, is way, way too transparent, and condescending.

It was like a 5 year old was trying to explain why they stole from the cookie jar.

Too much. Just way too much.

Not to mention the fact that Whiz is still the coach, which any organization would have let him go after that ridiculousness.

Whiz lost the game so many ways and pissed away so much of what his club has worked for.....well, it is justification for being angry and frustrated.

This was exceptional poor, and pathetic even for the Cardinals.
 

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Actually, I slept fine.

Just embarrassing to have to apologize for guests who came over to watch NFL football, and the Cardinals couldn't even give them that. Just a game.

Then to hear the crap spewed by this organization today, is way, way too transparent, and condescending.

It was like a 5 year old was trying to explain why they stole from the cookie jar.

Too much. Just way too much.

Not to mention the fact that Whiz is still the coach, which any organization would have let him go after that ridiculousness.

Whiz lost the game so many ways and pissed away so much of what his club has worked for.....well, it is justification for being angry and frustrated.

This was exceptional poor, and pathetic even for the Cardinals.
Maybe you should have the beer bong or Patron shots next to you when watching a Cards game. ;)
 

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Muffin, that was very well put,-----and for a true Cardinals fan,-----very brave. I feel your pain and your disgust. Thank you for your honesty as a fan, and a lover of the game of football. You will always have my admiration for being true to your heart and to the team so many of us truly love.
 

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Ladies and Gentlemen,

Many of you are like me. Long time Cardinals fans. We have seen some things. This weekend, for me at least, was one of the worse. May be worse than the 41-6 Browns game....it may.

Look, it is not so much the game. It is more the actions of said coach.

So, you bench, and mix up the lineup after the bye. You justify it by saying players need to be accountable.

You bench John Skelton, for good reason. And give specific reasons for it.

You cannot then go out against the Jets and do what he did. Then you can't pile a bunch of bullcrap on top, and hope the Bidwill's amazing experience on making horrific things disappear are going to make it go away.


1. The system.

He says the system works. It doesn't. It never have. Without Kurt Warner, or a great defense like in Pittsburgh, or a great DC like Horton Whiz wouldn't even be a coach in the league. Show me what the man can claim as his own accomplishment ?

Taking Denny Green's roster to the Superbowl ? Winning the Superbowl behind a great defense ?

Not buying it.


2. The Wide Receivers.

Really ? ........................... Really ?

If the system works so well, the how can WR's that have 3, 4, 7 years in the league not be able to run the right routes ? HOW ?

These are professional athletes, and football is just not THAT hard. All this "look and see", "read on the fly" bullcrap doesn't work. Never has.

The QB has no idea where the ball should go, the WR's have no idea where to run the route. It is a mess, and it shows up on the field.

To call out your receivers is so pathetically bad, I HOPE it was for the sake of protecting another one of the failed QB's to cycle through ....."the system"

Sorry. Not buying it.


3. Ryan Lindley gives you the best chance to win.

Ugh, this board. Don't know what some of you have against John Skelton. He is not the answer that is 100% sure. But, he won games for this organization. Thank goodness for Whiz's neck this wasn't Kevin Kolb. My goodness the defense for him would have shook mountains.

Unfortunately, Skelton is not the popular guy so for some reason he deserves no defense ?

Where are all the "stats guys". Why don't we pull some of Lindley's stats, and see how they stack up to John Skelton ?

Career:
50 for 103 448 yds ZERO TD passes, and 5 INT's ...... in three games.

That is 48% completion percentage, and 4.3 yards a pass. 4.3 !!!!!!!

4.3, you just run the ball at that point.

But, stats ? They don't mean nothing. Wins do. But, Lindley is 0-3.

OK, what about our favorite, "Moxie" - I saw a immature QB that completely ----- the bed by the second quarter. He had no idea what was going on, where to throw the ball, how to throw the ball, what to do. Just embarrassing for him too tell you the truth.

BUT - That supposedly was better then sending Skelton out there ? Really ?

Sorry, not buying it.


4. Russ Grimm.

He sucks.


5. Mike Miller

Looks like if Bunsen and Beaker had a baby and then pooped on it. Is this guy for real. The best thing about Mike Miller, is that he will never have a job again. Anywhere.

Would you dare hire him ?


That's it. That is all I got.

Just saying that not only was the game bad, but the handling of the situation after was transparent, unprofessional, and a steaming pile from the owner down to the coach.

You try and find the interview online or anywhere from this afternoon, the FULL one.

ALL of a sudden those podcasts are up on the site where they are supposed to be.

Again. You don't want to feel the wrath of angry then do your job better.

This wadding up in a ball and playing games to try and "lesson the blow" is insulting.

We are all not that stupid (lol, even though I am making a good case for it this week.) Its transparent and making things worse.

OK. Done.

I am off the soap box.

The season is in the tank. The players are turning on each other. The locker will be fracturing, and there is going to be some uninspired football for the next 4 weeks as coaches, and players get ready for an offseason where this things SHOULD be blown up.

Yet, this is the Cardinals and this organization is so clueless at time they just might "blame injuries" and try to march this steaming pile on the field for another historically bad season.

I disagree with a couple parts of this, but it is a well thought out post. Many could take examples from this in how to rant in a thoughtful manner.
 

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Ladies and Gentlemen,

Many of you are like me. Long time Cardinals fans. We have seen some things. This weekend, for me at least, was one of the worse. May be worse than the 41-6 Browns game....it may.

Look, it is not so much the game. It is more the actions of said coach.

So, you bench, and mix up the lineup after the bye. You justify it by saying players need to be accountable.

You bench John Skelton, for good reason. And give specific reasons for it.

You cannot then go out against the Jets and do what he did. Then you can't pile a bunch of bullcrap on top, and hope the Bidwill's amazing experience on making horrific things disappear are going to make it go away.


1. The system.

He says the system works. It doesn't. It never have. Without Kurt Warner, or a great defense like in Pittsburgh, or a great DC like Horton Whiz wouldn't even be a coach in the league. Show me what the man can claim as his own accomplishment ?

Taking Denny Green's roster to the Superbowl ? Winning the Superbowl behind a great defense ?

Not buying it.


2. The Wide Receivers.

Really ? ........................... Really ?

If the system works so well, the how can WR's that have 3, 4, 7 years in the league not be able to run the right routes ? HOW ?

These are professional athletes, and football is just not THAT hard. All this "look and see", "read on the fly" bullcrap doesn't work. Never has.

The QB has no idea where the ball should go, the WR's have no idea where to run the route. It is a mess, and it shows up on the field.

To call out your receivers is so pathetically bad, I HOPE it was for the sake of protecting another one of the failed QB's to cycle through ....."the system"

Sorry. Not buying it.


3. Ryan Lindley gives you the best chance to win.

Ugh, this board. Don't know what some of you have against John Skelton. He is not the answer that is 100% sure. But, he won games for this organization. Thank goodness for Whiz's neck this wasn't Kevin Kolb. My goodness the defense for him would have shook mountains.

Unfortunately, Skelton is not the popular guy so for some reason he deserves no defense ?

Where are all the "stats guys". Why don't we pull some of Lindley's stats, and see how they stack up to John Skelton ?

Career:
50 for 103 448 yds ZERO TD passes, and 5 INT's ...... in three games.

That is 48% completion percentage, and 4.3 yards a pass. 4.3 !!!!!!!

4.3, you just run the ball at that point.

But, stats ? They don't mean nothing. Wins do. But, Lindley is 0-3.

OK, what about our favorite, "Moxie" - I saw a immature QB that completely ----- the bed by the second quarter. He had no idea what was going on, where to throw the ball, how to throw the ball, what to do. Just embarrassing for him too tell you the truth.

BUT - That supposedly was better then sending Skelton out there ? Really ?

Sorry, not buying it.


4. Russ Grimm.

He sucks.


5. Mike Miller

Looks like if Bunsen and Beaker had a baby and then pooped on it. Is this guy for real. The best thing about Mike Miller, is that he will never have a job again. Anywhere.

Would you dare hire him ?


That's it. That is all I got.

Just saying that not only was the game bad, but the handling of the situation after was transparent, unprofessional, and a steaming pile from the owner down to the coach.

You try and find the interview online or anywhere from this afternoon, the FULL one.

ALL of a sudden those podcasts are up on the site where they are supposed to be.

Again. You don't want to feel the wrath of angry then do your job better.

This wadding up in a ball and playing games to try and "lesson the blow" is insulting.

We are all not that stupid (lol, even though I am making a good case for it this week.) Its transparent and making things worse.

OK. Done.

I am off the soap box.

The season is in the tank. The players are turning on each other. The locker will be fracturing, and there is going to be some uninspired football for the next 4 weeks as coaches, and players get ready for an offseason where this things SHOULD be blown up.

Yet, this is the Cardinals and this organization is so clueless at time they just might "blame injuries" and try to march this steaming pile on the field for another historically bad season.

I agree, I didn't mind Benching Skelton when it happened. Lindley threw 4 ings his first start, but he did put up 300 yards so I gave him a pass. Next game he was a lost boy, it was time to go e the team a chance and get Skelton back in. Skelton is not the answer but he is better than Lindley at this point.

Hard to grade OC Miller when he has no QB or line, to work with.

Grimm has done nothing to prove he is worth anything. But now he has two rookie tackles and they are looking at least like average players... Not sure what to think about that because Grimm has not had much to work with that's for sure.

As far as the "system"... It seems like garbage. We don't put players in a position to take advantage of their strengths. It seems only a great player like Warner can make it work.

I don't want to start over. But right now I don't want to see Horton gone. So the logical plan imo is to Replace Whiz with Horton and get a legit OC in here.
 

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Title should be revised.

(Excuse me - I couldn't resist).

Title of thread should refer to The Steaming Heap...
 

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