The Suns Scored 11 Points In The 3rd Quarter

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We don't really need to analyze that. But I will - :D

I think we went inside too much. Yeah you read that right. We are getting too enamored with pick and roll and just lobbing it inside to Shaq. Where is Bell? Where is Barbosa? Where did Gears go? What about Nash scoring from the field?

The only thing we seem to do is lob it inside to Shaq, Amare or Diaw and let them find our guards on the perimeter, or just turn it over giving San Antonio 24 points. Now where it fails is our guards can't seem to penetrate and score. Ever. At all. Ever. Bell never penetrates, Nash penetrates but usually just goes in circles, then turns it over. Barbosa penetrates but misses layups. Now during all of this Bowen and company are fouling the crap out of us when we go inside. I don't wanna ignore that because from the first half to the second half that was the only thing I saw change - Bowen was slapping and hitting Steve constantly. A lot of that caused turnovers.

We need an offense outside of the pick and roll against a team that fouls you like the Spurms do. Then finally, at least were not in Dallas's situation of getting completely obliterated twice in a row. They have little hope of being able to stop the Hornets. In some ways that is what makes these two games so frustrating. So close. Should have won. Then we collapse on offense and the Spurms hit huge shots. We lose.

We just gotta win the remaining games. I thought we were the better team, but if guys like Brent Barry, Oberto and even UDOKA can outscore Barbosa then just end the series now.
 

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We don't really need to analyze that. But I will - :D

I think we went inside too much. Yeah you read that right. We are getting too enamored with pick and roll and just lobbing it inside to Shaq. Where is Bell? Where is Barbosa? Where did Gears go? What about Nash scoring from the field?

The only thing we seem to do is lob it inside to Shaq, Amare or Diaw and let them find our guards on the perimeter, or just turn it over giving San Antonio 24 points. Now where it fails is our guards can't seem to penetrate and score. Ever. At all. Ever. Bell never penetrates, Nash penetrates but usually just goes in circles, then turns it over. Barbosa penetrates but misses layups. Now during all of this Bowen and company are fouling the crap out of us when we go inside. I don't wanna ignore that because from the first half to the second half that was the only thing I saw change - Bowen was slapping and hitting Steve constantly. A lot of that caused turnovers.

We need an offense outside of the pick and roll against a team that fouls you like the Spurms do. Then finally, at least were not in Dallas's situation of getting completely obliterated twice in a row. They have little hope of being able to stop the Hornets. In some ways that is what makes these two games so frustrating. So close. Should have won. Then we collapse on offense and the Spurms hit huge shots. We lose.

We just gotta win the remaining games. I thought we were the better team, but if guys like Brent Barry, Oberto and even UDOKA can outscore Barbosa then just end the series now.
The really sad thing is that 5 of those 11 points came on Hack-a-Shaq fts. Also, it wasn't just Bowen abusing Nash defensively.....it was mostly Tony Parker in the 3rd qtr with reach-ins, slaps, grabs, bumps, etc. The Spurs knew the refs were letting the teams play so they went ultra-aggressive and the refs let them. That 3rd qtr destroyed the game for the Suns and they never recovered. If the refs had called Parker for 2-3 fouls on Nash early in the 3rd qtr then I think the Spurs back off on defense and we win the game.
 

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The really sad thing is that 5 of those 11 points came on Hack-a-Shaq fts. Also, it wasn't just Bowen abusing Nash defensively.....it was mostly Tony Parker in the 3rd qtr with reach-ins, slaps, grabs, bumps, etc. The Spurs knew the refs were letting the teams play so they went ultra-aggressive and the refs let them. That 3rd qtr destroyed the game for the Suns and they never recovered. If the refs had called Parker for 2-3 fouls on Nash early in the 3rd qtr then I think the Spurs back off on defense and we win the game.

22 of your last 23 posts (the other one was about the Nuggets) have blamed the refs directly or indirectly for both losses. I think that's pretty incredible.
 

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22 of your last 23 posts (the other one was about the Nuggets) have blamed the refs directly or indirectly for both losses. I think that's pretty incredible.

Have you read his posts before?

About 4,025 of his 4,050 posts total are blaming Suns losses on officiating.
 

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Have you read his posts before?

About 4,025 of his 4,050 posts total are blaming Suns losses on officiating.

yeah, I know he does it a lot, but I never realized it was the ONLY thing he ever posted. Was curious last night and just checked out the last couple days. Funny stuff.
 

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if the suns were playing small ball,
they could have scored 30pts in the 3rd
but would have given up 40pts
 

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The really sad thing is that 5 of those 11 points came on Hack-a-Shaq fts. Also, it wasn't just Bowen abusing Nash defensively.....it was mostly Tony Parker in the 3rd qtr with reach-ins, slaps, grabs, bumps, etc. The Spurs knew the refs were letting the teams play so they went ultra-aggressive and the refs let them. That 3rd qtr destroyed the game for the Suns and they never recovered. If the refs had called Parker for 2-3 fouls on Nash early in the 3rd qtr then I think the Spurs back off on defense and we win the game.

All those missed shots in the 3rd quarter had nothing to do with it, right?
 

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if the suns were playing small ball,
they could have scored 30pts in the 3rd
but would have given up 40pts
That would have been a 6 point differential better than what we actually did though.
 
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To make something clear. I'm not (in any way) blaming the refs for our loss. It was just an observation that all of a sudden Nash could not do anything and I saw several swiped, hits and knock downs that just flat go un-called as always against the Spurms.

That really affected us and we did not respond quick enough.
 

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It just reminds me of the Mavericks game a few weeks ago. The Suns didn't score in 8 minutes or so, and we all agreed that a complete meltdown like that is never going to happen again.

Boy, were we wrong.
 

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yeah, I know he does it a lot, but I never realized it was the ONLY thing he ever posted. Was curious last night and just checked out the last couple days. Funny stuff.
Well you've covered bitching about everything else so I had to find my niche somewhere :)
 

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We don't really need to analyze that. But I will - :D

I think we went inside too much. Yeah you read that right. We are getting too enamored with pick and roll and just lobbing it inside to Shaq. Where is Bell? Where is Barbosa? Where did Gears go? What about Nash scoring from the field?

The only thing we seem to do is lob it inside to Shaq, Amare or Diaw and let them find our guards on the perimeter, or just turn it over giving San Antonio 24 points. Now where it fails is our guards can't seem to penetrate and score. Ever. At all. Ever. Bell never penetrates, Nash penetrates but usually just goes in circles, then turns it over. Barbosa penetrates but misses layups. Now during all of this Bowen and company are fouling the crap out of us when we go inside. I don't wanna ignore that because from the first half to the second half that was the only thing I saw change - Bowen was slapping and hitting Steve constantly. A lot of that caused turnovers.

We need an offense outside of the pick and roll against a team that fouls you like the Spurms do. Then finally, at least were not in Dallas's situation of getting completely obliterated twice in a row. They have little hope of being able to stop the Hornets. In some ways that is what makes these two games so frustrating. So close. Should have won. Then we collapse on offense and the Spurms hit huge shots. We lose.

We just gotta win the remaining games. I thought we were the better team, but if guys like Brent Barry, Oberto and even UDOKA can outscore Barbosa then just end the series now.

I think the issue with the Suns correlates with what your paragraph is about. All you did was talk about OFFENSE. It's the DEFENSE, or lack of it, that has the Suns down 0-2.
 

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Diaw wasn't in the 3rd very much. Our problem was jamming traffic due to Nash dribble moving around, while Shaq had to be stationed downlow. We didn't do much conventional feeding the post but always wanted to initiate everything with a Nash pass or penetration. Parker was in position to slap the ball away from Amare a couple of time due to that traffic jam. That's the way we lost to Spurs last year and we lost several to NO this year.

Bell has never been able to penetrate for any success. He and LB were complimentary, waiting for the space to open by actions from Nash, Shaq, and Amare. But the space was jammed, due to great defense by Spurs and no adjustment by DA to find a working offensive game plan, given the apparent failure in the 3rd with Nash.

I don't blame they tried Diaw posting up. It came later and was a good mismatch to exploit. His decision making wasn't good, but the game plan was good.
 

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When Suns were up 8 entering the 3rd,

Its where D'Antoni deserves a fist on the back of the head sometimes...

Instead of protecting the lead atleast... he opted not to preach it... instead just same thing he did the first half...

look I know if it works and suns are hot they win 15+... but when you miss the next 3-4 shots.... and the other team cut the lead to 5... smart coaches would of called time out and preached a protect the ball discipline tactic...

the Spurs took the lead from LAY-UPS..... not even contested jump shots..

Sorry... thats just pathetic....

If the Spurs took the lead by nailing tough shots and going to the rim hard... then kudos to them.... but when they turn an 8 point deficit to a 15 point lead in a quarter.... off layups... shows how pathetic the tactic of the other team is.

D'Antoni should of put in a more defense oriented lineup while resting Nash, Stoudemire etc. Barbosa was so hopeless against Parker, I'm sure DJ would of prevented at least 3 baskets of Parker... and Giricek would of contested a couple more.


Suns will not win any big series with tactics like that.... against other teams maybe... if your lucky... but not against the Spurs.... championship caliber team.
 
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