The Walking Dead (AMC)

[Covert Rain]

thank God! If this show is really going to go on forever and I'm going to keep watching (like the TV zombie they've made me), it needs a MAJOR shakeup.

And from a character standpoint, Rick's arc has been completed. Move on, get into new stuff.

There is still plenty to explore from the comics and Rick is the show IMO. The show might muddle on for a bit but it probably won’t last IMO. Shows that lose their lead rarely do.

I hope they don’t kill his character because it’s lazy. I don’t see how this show though gets a real ending since FTWD is syncing up.

 

[Cheesebeef]

There is still plenty to explore from the comics and Rick is the show IMO. The show might muddle on for a bit but it probably won’t last IMO. Shows that lose their lead rarely do.

I hope they don’t kill his character because it’s lazy. I don’t see how this show though gets a real ending since FTWD is syncing up.

You're right. Rick is the show... and that's why it SUCKS and why it's been HEMMORAGING ratings because they keep telling the same story over and over and over again, re-running the same arc, over and over again.

Once he's gone, maybe they can actually tell a new story because ain't nothing new happening with him and hasn't been for eons.

 

[Covert Rain]

You're right. Rick is the show... and that's why it SUCKS and why it's been HEMMORAGING ratings because they keep telling the same story over and over and over again, re-running the same arc, over and over again.

Once he's gone, maybe they can actually tell a new story because ain't nothing new happening with him and hasn't been for eons.

If I had to pick the top 10 reasons the show has gone down Rick wouldn’t make the cut for me. One spot would be taken for making good side characters annoying. One spot would be taken for long walks in the forest. One would be that the shows on this long typically are winding down and the other 7 spots would be filled with lazy writing.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If I had to pick the top 10 reasons the show has gone down Rick wouldn’t make the cut for me. One spot would be taken for making good side characters annoying. One spot would be taken for long walks in the forest. One would be that the shows on this long typically are winding down and the other 7 spots would be filled with lazy writing.

lazy writing is having Rick go through the same arc repeatedly because there's nowhere left to go with him. Lazy writing is Rick continually putting his people in awful situations, then being miraculously saved by the writers pen, even though at this point, he's just as much the monster as his human and zombie rivals.

Reality is most leads of a TV show likely have nowhere to go after 8 years of television. Which is why it's time for them to kill him off and start doing something new/more interesting. Reality is the show doesn't live or die with Rick, IMO. It lives or dies with the world and unless the figure out something new to do with it, it really doesn't matter who's leading the pack.

 

[Covert Rain]

lazy writing is having Rick go through the same arc repeatedly because there's nowhere left to go with him. Lazy writing is Rick continually putting his people in awful situations, then being miraculously saved by the writers pen, even though at this point, he's just as much the monster as his human and zombie rivals.

Reality is most leads of a TV show likely have nowhere to go after 8 years of television. Which is why it's time for them to kill him off and start doing something new/more interesting. Reality is the show doesn't live or die with Rick, IMO. It lives or dies with the world and unless the figure out something new to do with it, it really doesn't matter who's leading the pack.

The comics as I understand have lots of unexplored territory for Rick the writers have not even explored. I have not read all of them. However, IF that is true doesn't that mean it's really not about Rick per say but how they are writing him?

In terms of losing your lead, how many show really survive that? I can only think of maybe a couple off the top of my head. Usually when the lead goes the show dies on the vine. You could be completely right and it revitalizes the show but after so many seasons?

Maybe Norman Reedus can carry the show. I love Daryl as a secondary character but to lead the show like they are talking about? I have my doubts. Would love to see the show continue....it's freaking zombies.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The comics as I understand have lots of unexplored territory for Rick the writers have not even explored. I have not read all of them. However, IF that is true doesn't that mean it's really not about Rick per say but how they are writing him?

In terms of losing your lead, how many show really survive that? I can only think of maybe a couple off the top of my head. Usually when the lead goes the show dies on the vine. You could be completely right and it revitalizes the show but after so many seasons?

Maybe Norman Reedus can carry the show. I love Daryl as a secondary character but to lead the show like they are talking about? I have my doubts. Would love to see the show continue....it's freaking zombies.

The show is slowly dying on the vine anyway. That said, I agree that I don't think Daryl can lead the show. Maggie would have been interesting, but she's got her own show now. If they really want to keep hope alive, I think they need to kill Rick and bring in a new dynamic presence as leader.

 

[Covert Rain]

The show is slowly dying on the vine anyway. That said, I agree that I don't think Daryl can lead the show. Maggie would have been interesting, but she's got her own show now. If they really want to keep hope alive, I think they need to kill Rick and bring in a new dynamic presence as leader.

I guess I am slightly jaded. I just don't have much faith that the writers will do anything but swap actors in that scenario, write the lead character exactly the same, keep the direction exactly the same and just call him "person not Rick". If that's the case it won't change a thing.

 

[Western Font]

Losing the group’s leader (Rick) and leader-in-waiting (Maggie) is a big void. Reedus can certainly be the series lead but I don’t see Darryl as a leader within the show. Michonne amd Carol seem more realistic. Although a big Darryl transformation would be interesting if they pulled it off.

There’s always the possibility of more crossover with FTWD, but we’ll have to see what happened with Madison this week. That show has had almost total attrition - which ironically has come via its best seasons. (Though the Proctor John arc was cut off pretty fast; disappointing because in a way he was what I expected Negan to be.)

 

[BigRedRage]

The comics as I understand have lots of unexplored territory for Rick the writers have not even explored. I have not read all of them. However, IF that is true doesn't that mean it's really not about Rick per say but how they are writing him?

In terms of losing your lead, how many show really survive that? I can only think of maybe a couple off the top of my head. Usually when the lead goes the show dies on the vine. You could be completely right and it revitalizes the show but after so many seasons?

Maybe Norman Reedus can carry the show. I love Daryl as a secondary character but to lead the show like they are talking about? I have my doubts. Would love to see the show continue....it's freaking zombies.

he would need more then a few muttered lines an episode

 

[BigRedRage]

killing rick would be dumb IMO

 

[Cheesebeef]

killing rick would be dumb IMO

staying the course with ratings dropping would be dumber.

 

[Chaplin]

staying the course with ratings dropping would be dumber.

... said every sane person for the past 3 years.

Not sure what makes this year any different?

 

[Cheesebeef]

... said every sane person for the past 3 years.

Not sure what makes this year any different?

they lost viewership at higher rates than ever this season, switched show-runners, and and didn't re-up Maggie's character's contract letting her go to network pilot.

that's all different. looks like they know they need a shake-up and by all reports are about to do it. whether it works, who knows, but I applaud a show taking a big risk after 8 years, the last 3 of which have been atrocious.

 

[BigRedRage]

staying the course with ratings dropping would be dumber.

ratings are still king hoss. I know you think the ratings are dropping because of rick but I don't really see any data to back that up. Everything is going to lose steam after 8 seasons. The major ratings drop was when glenn was brutally beaten to death by Negan. IMO what really happened is casual non horror fans who liked the walking dead left the show once it had the most brutal horror scene that has been aired on television and never came back. Then you had people slowly continuing to drop after that. I do not believe rick is the problem and personally still like him as the leader.

You're welcome to your opinion, I simply disagree.

 

[Chaplin]

they lost viewership at higher rates than ever this season, switched show-runners, and and didn't re-up Maggie's character's contract letting her go to network pilot.

that's all different. looks like they know they need a shake-up and by all reports are about to do it. whether it works, who knows, but I applaud a show taking a big risk after 8 years, the last 3 of which have been atrocious.

You're much more optimistic about it than I am. Surprisingly.

 

[Cheesebeef]

ratings are still king hoss. I know you think the ratings are dropping because of rick but I don't really see any data to back that up. Everything is going to lose steam after 8 seasons. The major ratings drop was when glenn was brutally beaten to death by Negan. IMO what really happened is casual non horror fans who liked the walking dead left the show once it had the most brutal horror scene that has been aired on television and never came back. Then you had people slowly continuing to drop after that. I do not believe rick is the problem and personally still like him as the leader.

You're welcome to your opinion, I simply disagree.

Thank you for welcoming me to my opinion. But you should probably get my opinion right before telling me what it is. I think ratings are dropping for a multitude or reasons, the rinse, wash, repeated arc for Rick being one of them, but more because the show strung out 1 season of of story over 3 years.... hoss.

 

[BigRedRage]

I think ratings are dropping for a multitude or reasons, the rinse, wash, repeated arc for Rick being one of them, but more because the show strung out 1 season of of story over 3 years.... hoss.

I wasn't calling you hoss. I was saying the ratings are King Hoss still.

The show was the same wash rinse repeat before the Negan Arc that it had Rick and it did just fine

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[oaken1]

the ratings have been dropping because the entire negan story line was dull as hell. he was supposed to be the baddest villain of all time...and the writers screwed the pooch the entire time.

the show just needs more action. its a zombie show, not friggin shakespeare,...we dont need excessive plot and character development... get in jams, kill zombies, get out of jams...watch stupid people get eaten by zombies.... thats how they go.

character and plot development are supposed to come between scenes of zombies eating people. taking two, three, four episodes to develop your poo while nobody is getting eaten by dead people.....screw all that..... they need to save that poo for soap operas

 

[BigRedRage]

the ratings have been dropping because the entire negan story line was dull as hell. he was supposed to be the baddest villain of all time...and the writers screwed the pooch the entire time.

the show just needs more action. its a zombie show, not friggin shakespeare,...we dont need excessive plot and character development... get in jams, kill zombies, get out of jams...watch stupid people get eaten by zombies.... thats how they go.

character and plot development are supposed to come between scenes of zombies eating people. taking two, three, four episodes to develop your **** while nobody is getting eaten by dead people.....screw all that..... they need to save that **** for soap operas

I like the development when it is done well and I am all for more action but I would like more zombie action. The person vs person action just reminds me of stormtroopers not being able to hit a barn with a gun.

 

[oaken1]

I like the development when it is done well and I am all for more action but I would like more zombie action. The person vs person action just reminds me of stormtroopers not being able to hit a barn with a gun.

so do I... but in the end...a zombie flick is like watching porno...your there for a reason.

 

[Covert Rain]

The show could use a shakeup but I don't think you need to kill Rick to do it. If they end up just killing rick, replacing him with another lead but the writers are still going with the same formula?

It won't matter one bit. It's the story telling...not the lead that is the problem.

 

[Bada0Bing]

Hopefully they take the show in another direction by expanding the scope a bit. They showed us the helicopter, so maybe there are some more developed groups out there.

 

[BigRedRage]

Hopefully they take the show in another direction by expanding the scope a bit. They showed us the helicopter, so maybe there are some more developed groups out there.

Between that and the lady with the blueprints, I expect that to be happening

 

[mjb21aztd]

I hope the wd can continue without andrew lincoln there is a lot of material in the comics amc can work with the whispers, and the common wealth down the road.

If they don't kill grimes just have him leave somewhere maybe he can return at a later date if he wants.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Spoiler

'Walking Dead': Jon Bernthal to Return in Season 9

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