The War Room Draft Dish: Coming down the stretch

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Draft Dish: Coming down the stretch
March 29, 2006 Print it


By War Room scouts


As teams enter the final month before the draft, it's still too early for trade talk at the top of the first round. But there still is plenty to report.

It appears Houston's front office will stay intact after the draft, and top capologist and contract negotiator Dan Ferens recently was promoted to vice president of football operations. GM Charley Casserly also is expected to survive, but there could be a shakeup on his scouting staff, one of the most experienced in the league.

If Casserly does have security beyond this year, he will be more comfortable with the selection of running back Reggie Bush, a pick that will pay off more in the long run as the coaches learn how to make the best use of all of his outstanding skills.

It also appears that there is some long-term thinking going on in New Orleans. Recent rumblings are that the team might be leaning toward selecting quarterback Matt Leinart. With Drew Brees coming off shoulder surgery, the Saints are concerned about putting too much of a load on him in training camp. The team would give Leinart plenty of reps in camp and preseason games, then let him learn for a year while watching from the sideline. That tells us the Saints are willing to be patient and develop a franchise QB.

Many thought Green Bay might be an ideal spot for Oregon defensive tackle Haloti Ngata, but it appears the team is looking for a more athletic one-gap defensive tackle to fit in coordinator Bob Sanders' new scheme. Look for the Packers to pass on Ngata and try to add Ohio State outside linebacker A.J. Hawk, who would make an immediate impact in Green Bay's front seven.

Expect the Raiders to jump on Ngata as a replacement for Ted Washington next to Warren Sapp. Combine those two players with 2005 NFL sacks leader Derrick Burgess, and the Raiders will have gone a long way towards addressing their problems on defense.

As cornerback Jimmy Williams' stock slides on most draft boards around the NFL, the Cardinals, who tend to fall in love with players who earn high preseason grades, look to be very interested in Williams despite his disappointing performance in postseason workouts. He's big, physical and athletic, and his cockiness gives him a swagger that Dennis Green has been trying to create in Arizona for three years.

And finally, one of the fastest risers in the first round is Florida State defensive tackle Brodrick Bunkley, who is now positioned firmly in the top 15, with the Ravens being a likely destination at selection No. 13. Early on, Bunkley was no more than a second-round consideration because of a perceived lack of size, but he has added bulk and is up to 306 pounds.

Scouts have been most impressed by Bunkley's raw strength and explosiveness. At the Combine, he posted 44 reps in the bench press, ran a 4.91 40 and recorded a 32-1/2 inch vertical jump and a 9-5 broad jump. He's a big run stuffer who can also collapse the pocket on passing downs and would provide ideal protection for aging linebacker Ray Lewis.

War Room scouts analyze NFL and college players, coaches and teams for the Sporting News.
 

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BACH said:
As cornerback Jimmy Williams' stock slides on most draft boards around the NFL, the Cardinals, who tend to fall in love with players who earn high preseason grades, look to be very interested in Williams despite his disappointing performance in postseason workouts. He's big, physical and athletic, and his cockiness gives him a swagger that Dennis Green has been trying to create in Arizona for three years.

Williams told everyone that interviewed him at the combine that he is a Safety and not a CB. It was one reason a lot of teams got turned off by him.

I can also understand the putting more weight on preseason grades then offseason workouts where good players can have a bad day and bad players can have a great day. But you have to put some weight into though, but I understand putting more in the preseason grades/game tapes with the pads on grades.

If Green thinks that he can handle the strong attitude and he has the leaders on D that can handle/squash his attitude yet still keep a healthy swagger to him then so be it.

The guy was a man child in games that I saw last year, but all of this offseason stuff scares the heck out of me.
 

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I would only take Williams if Bush, Leinart, Young, Cutler, Ferguson, Hawk, M.Williams, M. Huff, and V. Davis are off the board. Those are my top 9 in no particular order.
 

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I would only take Williams if Bush, Leinart, Young, Cutler, Ferguson, Hawk, M.Williams, M. Huff, and V. Davis are off the board. Those are my top 9 in no particular order.

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Williams IS a safety. If he was telling scouts I want to be a CB I'd be a lot more concerned. he is an immature kid though, that's pretty apparent. If the Cards really want him they ought to trade down when they're on the clock, but you take the risk of course he won't be there. 10 is too high to take a cocky kid who's sliding because of poor workouts.

But Williams wanting to play Safety is good news to me, that's his best position and he's talented enough to play FS.

I can just see it, we move down 10 spots, take him, and then he holds out because he's mad we traded down to pick him.
 

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Jimmy Williams would be awesome... he was a stud in college...physically mature enough to play safety. You guys dont understand, you need your perimeter players to think they are the best players on the field. This is what you want. I would be more than happy with J-dub. Playing safety,does anyone here really think Adrian Wilson would let this rookie show him or anybody else on his defense up...get serious
 

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Playing safety,does anyone here really think Adrian Wilson would let this rookie show him or anybody else on his defense up...get serious
I don't think I follow you on this..what do you mean? Are you saying that the Cards would be trying to plug him in at SS? I think most people assume he's a FS and would be on the field with Wilson. Or, are you saying that Wilson could keep him in line?
 

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I would like to have some cocky players on the team to change the attitude of this team but not sure if we need to spend #10 pick on a FS. I wouldn't mind him pairing him with Rolle as other starting CB. But if Young is there, we gotta pick him...
 

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yea i meant that his behavior would be governed by some of the vets on the defense
 

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I'd take Jimmy Williams ahead of Jay Cutler. He wanted to be taken Top 5. If we get him at 10, he'll be playing with a huge chip on his shoulder. But all this bad news we're hearing about him could well be a smokescreen.

Remember how everyone was down on Atlanta Falcons cornerback DeAngelo Hall for being a headcase? Now Chad Johnson himself is calling DHall out as the best cornerback in the NFL and demanding that the NFL put a Cincy-Atlanta game on Sunday night.
 

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Jimmy Williams a headcase? Not to my way of thinking. Cocky, sure. Most VT players are cocky. It's in the VA water.

Worth the #10 overall pick? No question.

He quite simply takes away one half of the field. He's a thumper who has outstanding coverage skills......any talk of him playing at CB is ludicrous. He's a FS through and through. Playing him at CB is as stupid as suggesting Rolle should be a FS.

What's to like:

a) He's an experienced three year starter who has proved his durability. As a Senior, he recorded 100 tackles, two sacks and seven INT's. Great size, long arms and a vertical leap of 32 inches. Strong as a bull, he bench presses 280 lbs. He has good speed (faster than his combine times).

Do we take him at #10? If Cutler is still on the board (which I think he will be), I'd trade down to #15 with Minnesota (who seem to be enamored with Cutler). Getting an extra 2nd rounder would be big this year.....Winston Justice or Williams at #15 looks good to me.
 

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The most recent negatives on Jimmy Williams were less about attitude than they were about Pro Day workout numbers.

He apparently ran decent forty times (in the mid 4.4's) but he broad jumped in the mid to late 9-foot range (which is awful) and didn't do very well in his vertical jump and agility drills either - suggesting less than super-human explosiveness or agility.

This apparently is said to have lowered his rating on a lot of boards.
 

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War Birds said:
Jimmy Williams would be awesome... he was a stud in college...physically mature enough to play safety.

I think a lot of the knock on him is whether he is mentally mature enough.
 

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Billy Flynt said:
I think a lot of the knock on him is whether he is mentally mature enough.
As War Birds pointed out, I think that there are enough mentally mature vets that have cred (Wilson, Berry, Boldin, Fitz, Edge) that he could be kept in check. I've got alot of respect for Robert Griffith. He plays the game pretty damned good for an "old man" :) (I'm 7 years older than him) but Jimmy Williams would give us a top 5 defensive backfield.
 

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spanky1 said:
Jimmy Williams a headcase? Not to my way of thinking. Cocky, sure. Most VT players are cocky. It's in the VA water.

Worth the #10 overall pick? No question.

He quite simply takes away one half of the field. He's a thumper who has outstanding coverage skills......any talk of him playing at CB is ludicrous. He's a FS through and through. Playing him at CB is as stupid as suggesting Rolle should be a FS.

What's to like:

a) He's an experienced three year starter who has proved his durability. As a Senior, he recorded 100 tackles, two sacks and seven INT's. Great size, long arms and a vertical leap of 32 inches. Strong as a bull, he bench presses 280 lbs. He has good speed (faster than his combine times).

Do we take him at #10? If Cutler is still on the board (which I think he will be), I'd trade down to #15 with Minnesota (who seem to be enamored with Cutler). Getting an extra 2nd rounder would be big this year.....Winston Justice or Williams at #15 looks good to me.

Minnesota has the 17th pick. Denver has the 15th. And the 22nd.
 

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spanky1 said:
Do we take him at #10? If Cutler is still on the board (which I think he will be), I'd trade down to #15 with Minnesota (who seem to be enamored with Cutler). Getting an extra 2nd rounder would be big this year.....Winston Justice or Williams at #15 looks good to me.

I agree, if we trade down with Denver it should be the #10 for there 15 and 2nd rounder. Target OT Justice at 15, TE Pope or DT Watson at 41, OG Spencer at Den #2, and FS C. Griffin with our 3rd. Unless of course Young is there at 10, if he is you stay put. :)
 

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a) He's an experienced three year starter who has proved his durability. As a Senior, he recorded 100 tackles, two sacks and seven INT's. Great size, long arms and a vertical leap of 32 inches. Strong as a bull, he bench presses 280 lbs. He has good speed (faster than his combine times).

You point out his vertical as if it is a good thing for him. Maybe its a good number for the average person, but out of 51 DB's (Cb's, FS's, and SS's) that did the vertical jump at the combine, a jump of 32 would put him second to last out of 51 other players. That 32 was and is a very concerning number.

12 lifts on the bench makes him just below average strength wise when compared to other DB's, but I would bump him up to average because of his long arms.

He could use some time in the weight room working on his lower body area according to a few scouts that saw him at the combine, and his vertical tends to agree with that assesment.

Now he did have very very good agility times in the shuttle and cone drill compared to all the DB's and is near the top in both, showing good change of direction and good hips. He also had a very good 40 time of a high of 4.41 which is just about right to his game speed IMO, and is a good very good time especially at his size.

He isnt just cocky he is over confident. It is a problem and it was a big problem while he was in college. To dismiss it is to turn a blind eye. that Attitude he has causes him to give a lot of buliten board material for other teams, be reckless on the field, not keep to his assignments and freelance, go for the knockout punch all the time instead of just tackling the guy, and so. There is a difference between running your mouth and just plain old being a butt, it is a fine line that he hasnt even come close to finding yet. But all of those are very fixable and he can be taken down a notch or 2 if some of the stronger personalities on the team put him down there such as Wilson, Dockett, Boldin, Berry, and so on.
 

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if it is a choice between jay cutler or jimmy williams then i would pick cutler. personally if cutler is there at ten, i would pick him over everyone else.
 

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are we putting an olympic team together or looking for a FS??? I don't think we should look at a QB in the first round...one obvious USC guy aside...assuming all the usual suspects will be gone williams is going to be the pick my plan B pick is Sims. These are the glaring needs as I also don't believe in looking to get instant gratification on the OL in round 1...even though that IS STILL the number one issue...

I could change my mind tomorrow but ths sound pretty logical at 12:30 am cdt.
 

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