Jetstream Green
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The worst part about Rosen succeeding is this post about finding something to bitch about if he succeeds
The worst part about Rosen succeeding...
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Only have to go 7-6... basically .500 from here on out in order to be 7-9
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In my opinion there is no down side. If he does well we got us a QBOF . If he doesn't we got us a high draft choice .
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I'm still very concerned that he's being put in so early on such a bad team that it's going to shatter his confidence forever. It seems like we're on the fast track to Mike McCoy overloading the kid with a bunch of terminology and failed plays, only to make Rosen learn an all new offense next year with a new OC... and then fire Wilks and get a new coaching staff.
At least Seattle looks kind of hapless, this could be a confidence builder. Same with SF now.
At least Seattle looks kind of hapless, this could be a confidence builder. Same with SF now.
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honestly, if we end up 7-9 or 8-8, that means Rosen went 7-6 or 8-5 as a starter. That looks like a pretty damn good scenario because it means we will FINALLY have a QB who elevated the team. A Franchise Guy!
That said, I'll be STUNNED if that happens. I'm just excited to watch him grow this season, get some flashes. There's going to be A LOT of growing pains, especially with this staff, but if Rosen is really The Chosen, he will ascend above all others trying to hold him down!
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BINGO.
And if the team is truly wretched, I think (HOPE) Bidwill is smart enough to know wholesale changes are needed in the FO/Coaching staff.
Well it’s not like we’re expecting playoffs. he may be the difference between 2 wins and 4-5 wins tho. That would be a season win. Aren’t you a suns fan? You should know it’s all about looking for development in lost years
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The one thing I noticed in the game with Rosen was that he seemed to have a really loose, happy-go-lucky type of demeanor. He's going to have the proverbial short memory when it comes to this game (and hopefully much more).
He went in there with nothing to lose and you could tell. The moment was not too big for him. He wasn't visibly nervous. He seemed pretty calm overall. It also translated in his play as he was confidently slinging it.
I also think Rosen is going to audible plays and thus at times hopefully avoid the worst aspects of McCoy's playcalls.
If things continue to go bad, he won't get too invested in McCoy and ruined because he'll suspect McCoy is going to be gone. The guy is a student of the game and I think he comes with the mindset that he is bigger than any OC he'll ever have. Not in a disrespectful way, but just a realization that McCoy likely won't be he is OC for long.
He's noted to be very cerebral and I don't think anything McCoy could do or the teams bad situation in 2018 can ruin him. He has a solid base underneath him and McCoy isn't going to override all of that. I just don't think he has that sort of personality where breaking him will come easy. I believe it would take an awful lot. I don't think he'll be put in a Rosenbach level situation.
He went in there with nothing to lose and you could tell. The moment was not too big for him. He wasn't visibly nervous. He seemed pretty calm overall. It also translated in his play as he was confidently slinging it.
I also think Rosen is going to audible plays and thus at times hopefully avoid the worst aspects of McCoy's playcalls.
If things continue to go bad, he won't get too invested in McCoy and ruined because he'll suspect McCoy is going to be gone. The guy is a student of the game and I think he comes with the mindset that he is bigger than any OC he'll ever have. Not in a disrespectful way, but just a realization that McCoy likely won't be he is OC for long.
He's noted to be very cerebral and I don't think anything McCoy could do or the teams bad situation in 2018 can ruin him. He has a solid base underneath him and McCoy isn't going to override all of that. I just don't think he has that sort of personality where breaking him will come easy. I believe it would take an awful lot. I don't think he'll be put in a Rosenbach level situation.
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Screw the draft - there are 13 games to play. 8-8 would be fantastic!!
yeah that would be exciting....would screw us come draft day though, lol...
at this point I would almost rather see us progress as a team,..start to become competitive as the season progresses...and end up around 4-12...
Devin White would look awfully good in cardinal red...and do wonders for our defense so Rosen does not have to try and carry the team alone for the next 10+ years
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the best part about Rosen succeeding will be when the Cards start marking every touchdown pass by blasting Havanagila, setting off 70,000 screaming fans, dancing the Hora every week! Start learning the lyrics now folks!
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I respect your opinion.
I guess the point I’m trying to make is even though I personally want Rosen to succeed and the Cardinals at large, I think a talented player can mask a subpar coaching staff, this hurting the organization long term.
It’s like when a team starts out 2-6 every year and are already out of playoff contention by mid year, only to finish the season 7-9 winning “meaningless” games down the stretch that preserve the coach year after year.
Jeff Fisher is a prime example of this, his record through 5 years with the Rams are as follows:
7-8-1
7-9
6-10
7-9
4-9 (finally fired)
I do believe it is important to “suck” in a year you know you are not playoff bound and have a chance at a top five pick. Since 2002 the Cardinals have only had a top five pick 3 times. The results are Larry Fitzgerald at #3 in 2004, Levi Brown at #5 in 2007 (even though we were all screaming for Adrian Peterson with that pick!) and Patrick Peterson at #5 in 2011. Drafting players this high usually results in franchise changing type players.
This is premature, but it seems apparent the Rams being able to draft Goff #1 & the Eagles drafting Wentz #2 in 2016 is going to set these organizations up to win and compete for the unforeseeable future.
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There is nothing wrong with succeeding, and I'm not sure why fans would cut their nose off to spite their face.
If Rosen comes in & strings off something like winning 6 of 8, it'd mean that the variable holding us down was Bradford, not necessarily the coaches.
If Rosen comes in & strings off something like winning 6 of 8, it'd mean that the variable holding us down was Bradford, not necessarily the coaches.
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would turn the state blue also... pun and politics intended! Jews win all the way around!
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I hope they’d clear it with him first. The org. could run the risk of coming off as condescending.
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1) It's never important to 'suck', these are professional athletes and coaching staffs and losing is never an option or something they desire, as if a top five pick assures you of anything
2) Wilks still can not be judged fully till at least a few more games because this is a whole new system and it just might be McCoy and not him, hence bringing up Fisher is premature and no I do not want the suck for close to a decade Ram approach
3) We have our QB of the future and the possibilities are high that he's one. He has enough talent not to totally suck where you give up on a top ten pick after the first year, so stating QBs as the draft scenario is futile. Now if he was a fourth round pick that is possible
I look at Goff and what the Rams did.
In his rookie season Goff had Jeff Fischer and little talent around him. some how he survived. I believe he had 7 TD's and 10 INT's in his abbreviated rookie season.
Fast forward to McVie coming in and surrounding Goff with some talent. Look at him/them now.
Rosen has IMO a lot more going for him then Goff. He is a very strong guy mentally. He will survive McCoy while he learns the ropes of the NFL. I think he will show flashes of brilliance and will have some games where he passes for 300 yards and gets 2-3 TD's. Mostly though he will be limited by the OC and poor WR core.
In his rookie season Goff had Jeff Fischer and little talent around him. some how he survived. I believe he had 7 TD's and 10 INT's in his abbreviated rookie season.
Fast forward to McVie coming in and surrounding Goff with some talent. Look at him/them now.
Rosen has IMO a lot more going for him then Goff. He is a very strong guy mentally. He will survive McCoy while he learns the ropes of the NFL. I think he will show flashes of brilliance and will have some games where he passes for 300 yards and gets 2-3 TD's. Mostly though he will be limited by the OC and poor WR core.
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A) they would NEVER do that
B) I don’t think Josh would go for it. While he was born Jewish and likely identifies culturally I believe I read somewhere that’s hes an atheist.
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3) We have our QB of the future and the possibilities are high that he's one. He has enough talent not to totally suck where you give up on a top ten pick after the first year, so stating QBs as the draft scenario is futile. Now if he was a fourth round pick that is possible[/QUOTE]
Man I don’t see how anyone can say that with the bust rate of rookie QBs, even first round picks. See our last “sure thing” (King Hot Tub”
3) We have our QB of the future and the possibilities are high that he's one. He has enough talent not to totally suck where you give up on a top ten pick after the first year, so stating QBs as the draft scenario is futile. Now if he was a fourth round pick that is possible[/QUOTE]
Man I don’t see how anyone can say that with the bust rate of rookie QBs, even first round picks. See our last “sure thing” (King Hot Tub”
Jetstream Green
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Man I don’t see how anyone can say that with the bust rate of rookie QBs, even first round picks. See our last “sure thing” (King Hot Tub”[/QUOTE]
High in regards for the talent he has in why we would not use a top pick on a QB next draft. Hence, Goff was historically bad his first season but they did not 'suck' with a purpose to address the position again which the post seem to imply
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I don't think the Cards are starting Rosen because they feel he'll magically turn around the season. More like they felt that 0 & 3 represented a tipping point where developing Rosen via the extra snaps would benefit the team more than winning a few games.
Of course, if we also won a bunch of games with Rosen at QB, it would be icing on the proverbial cake.
