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Not sure how we can sit here and say an Ayton draft is a ‘great front office move’. It was a generally consensus pick. They couldnt mess it up.

If a 10 yr old was the GM, they would look at any mock draft and take Ayton.

Even if they did want to mess it up, they couldnt because they would never live it down.
 

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Not sure how we can sit here and say an Ayton draft is a ‘great front office move’. It was a generally consensus pick. They couldnt mess it up.

If a 10 yr old was the GM, they would look at any mock draft and take Ayton.

Even if they did want to mess it up, they couldnt because they would never live it down.

I don't agree with that. There was plenty of Luka hype before the draft and it did quiet down during the rest of the offseason but since about November 1st the majority of NBA analysts started fawning over Luka and questioning how he wasn't the #1 pick. Ayton was the consensus #1 pick on this board but that's about it. Most other gathering places for Suns fans like their Reddit group was around a 50/50 split on Luka and Ayton. I wouldn't say that Ayton was anymore than the #1 pick to around 65-70% of people who follow the NBA but almost every redraft has Luka at #1. I haven't seen one yet that says Ayton was still the right pick and even though a number of fans feel that way it's not nearly enough to say he was the consensus #1 pick.
 

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I don't agree with that. There was plenty of Luka hype before the draft and it did quiet down during the rest of the offseason but since about November 1st the majority of NBA analysts started fawning over Luka and questioning how he wasn't the #1 pick. Ayton was the consensus #1 pick on this board but that's about it. Most other gathering places for Suns fans like their Reddit group was around a 50/50 split on Luka and Ayton. I wouldn't say that Ayton was anymore than the #1 pick to around 65-70% of people who follow the NBA but almost every redraft has Luka at #1. I haven't seen one yet that says Ayton was still the right pick and even though a number of fans feel that way it's not nearly enough to say he was the consensus #1 pick.
Are you arguing that the suns should actually get a demerit for picking Ayton? Because that’s how this reads. They were going to pick either Ayton or Doncic. Either way it would have been obvious to pick one of the two (unless you’re Sacramento), and in either case it would’ve been a win.
 

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Are you arguing that the suns should actually get a demerit for picking Ayton? Because that’s how this reads. They were going to pick either Ayton or Doncic. Either way it would have been obvious to pick one of the two (unless you’re Sacramento), and in either case it would’ve been a win.

No, the opposite actually. NashDishesDime said that the front office should get no credit for the Ayton move because he was a sure thing and consensus #1 pick when that was not the case. McD and company selected Ayton after reviewing their options. To claim a 10 year old could have made that pick or would have made that pick is revisionist history or someone trying to fault the McD staff more than they deserve.

Ayton may have been one of the top prospects but he wasn't THE top prospect by any sort of margin that would make him the consensus #1 overall pick. If a different team had landed #1 instead of the Suns we would have had to wait until the draft to find out who was being selected because there wasn't a sure thing at #1. The Suns tipped their hand quite a bit and anyone following the team probably knew he was the pick but that had to do with how the workouts we had ended up playing out and some of the comments the front office made.

I think Ayton was the right pick in the long run and I believe the front office should get credit for that, even if some think there was no other choice because there were other ways that could have gone. I wouldn't give the front office a ton of credit for the pick but they deserve credit for it nonetheless.
 

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No, the opposite actually. NashDishesDime said that the front office should get no credit for the Ayton move because he was a sure thing and consensus #1 pick when that was not the case. McD and company selected Ayton after reviewing their options. To claim a 10 year old could have made that pick or would have made that pick is revisionist history or someone trying to fault the McD staff more than they deserve.

Ayton may have been one of the top prospects but he wasn't THE top prospect by any sort of margin that would make him the consensus #1 overall pick. If a different team had landed #1 instead of the Suns we would have had to wait until the draft to find out who was being selected because there wasn't a sure thing at #1. The Suns tipped their hand quite a bit and anyone following the team probably knew he was the pick but that had to do with how the workouts we had ended up playing out and some of the comments the front office made.

I think Ayton was the right pick in the long run and I believe the front office should get credit for that, even if some think there was no other choice because there were other ways that could have gone. I wouldn't give the front office a ton of credit for the pick but they deserve credit for it nonetheless.
Eh they really weren’t picking anyone other than Ayton or Doncic and both would’ve been homeruns so I guess they get credit for not being complete idiots. But is that really “credit?” Unless you feel that selecting Ayton over Doncic was a huge positive difference for this team.
 

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Every time i get optimistic about things, notably the last 4 games stretch, i remind myself how bad this front office is.

If you look back over the last 8-10 years, the ONLY moves I can think of that were good moves were drafting TJ, drafting Dbook, and trading for Oubre.

The upsetting part is that it has been noted multiple places the Suns wanted Kaminsky over Dbook and tried to trade up for him. In other words, they got Dbook despite themeleves not inspite of themselves.

As for Oubre, that wasnt even the original trade, he was supposed to go to Memphis in the original deal. Because of that disaster, all the players had to be moved and Suns did any deal they could, thus getting Oubre despite their stupidity.

In summary, basically 3/100 moves have been good, and 2 of them were sheer dumb luck.

Could you imagine if Suns had Kaminsky now, and no Oubre? If the front office had their way, thats where Suns would be sitting.

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Not retiring Randy Livingston’s number.
 
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I don't agree with that. There was plenty of Luka hype before the draft and it did quiet down during the rest of the offseason but since about November 1st the majority of NBA analysts started fawning over Luka and questioning how he wasn't the #1 pick. Ayton was the consensus #1 pick on this board but that's about it. Most other gathering places for Suns fans like their Reddit group was around a 50/50 split on Luka and Ayton. I wouldn't say that Ayton was anymore than the #1 pick to around 65-70% of people who follow the NBA but almost every redraft has Luka at #1. I haven't seen one yet that says Ayton was still the right pick and even though a number of fans feel that way it's not nearly enough to say he was the consensus #1 pick.

If anything it sounds like youre arguing my point more here.

All im saying is similar to a girl that doesnt watch football in a fantasy football draft, they would print out a draft board from ESPN and follow it, thats all the Suns had to do here. Its much different when orchestrating trades and picking further back, thats when im actual analytics, knowledge, and judgement actually comes in.
 

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If anything it sounds like youre arguing my point more here.

All im saying is similar to a girl that doesnt watch football in a fantasy football draft, they would print out a draft board from ESPN and follow it, thats all the Suns had to do here. Its much different when orchestrating trades and picking further back, thats when im actual analytics, knowledge, and judgement actually comes in.
Ayton was as low as 5-6 on some draft boards through out the pre draft process. Some analists loved him and some hated him. He was not unanamously considered a #1 or even top 2 pick. Most mock draft sites had him #1 on the eve of the draft because it was believed that the Suns were going to pick him and not because the analists actually saw him as the best player in the draft.
 

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Ayton was as low as 5-6 on some draft boards through out the pre draft process. Some analists loved him and some hated him. He was not unanamously considered a #1 or even top 2 pick. Most mock draft sites had him #1 on the eve of the draft because it was believed that the Suns were going to pick him and not because the analists actually saw him as the best player in the draft.
Yeah not midway through the college season. Show me even than 2 that had Ayton 5-6 from February on. Don’t think you can unless it’s some individual fanboy. He was absolutely considered 1 or 2.
 

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It was a 2 man draft between Ayton and Doncic. Any mock that had it differently was just being contradictory.
 

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Yeah not midway through the college season. Show me even than 2 that had Ayton 5-6 from February on. Don’t think you can unless it’s some individual fanboy. He was absolutely considered 1 or 2.
https://www.thestepien.com/2018-draft-rankings/

To be fair I think these guys are idiots. I can't find anything else right now, but I am pretty certain I had seen at least a couple others pretty close to the draft.
 

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It was a 2 man draft between Ayton and Doncic. Any mock that had it differently was just being contradictory.
I remember hearing some legitimate buzz for JJJ to possibly sneak into the top 2 and of course Bagley was even considered the #2 by plenty of people on this board alone for most of the college season. Maybe even all the way up to the draft.
 

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I remember hearing some legitimate buzz for JJJ to possibly sneak into the top 2 and of course Bagley was even considered the #2 by plenty of people on this board alone for most of the college season. Maybe even all the way up to the draft.

And in fact Bagley was drafted #2. Jaren Jackson Jr. had some really good workouts.
 

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This draft is going to have three really great players. Ayton, Trae, and Luka. I am fine with us having taken the most "sure thing" pick. No regrets with the first pick. Ayton is a rookie, rookie bigs take more time, every time. In fact, this is almost exactly where I thought these players would be at this time. I was a BIG Trae fan and expected this from him. Luka is shooting better than I thought he would, but everything else is as expected.
 

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