This team is so soft

[Cheesebeef]

Your original point was that teams got TAPE on Kyler and he never really adjusted. Yet omit the fact that the very same game he got hurt.

He was POW just two weeks prior.

No he didnt maintain the 48 TD pace he was on at midseason. However, I dont think its a tape issue that happened down the stretch.

you’re the one use the injury excuse. I personally think that’s bunk, especially for the lame play against the Pats and Seahawks and even against the Giants where they couldn’t stop giving us the ball and we couldn’t stop stopping ourselves and hitting FGs.

He was POW two weeks ago against a terrible Eagles team and STILL had some brain blowing awful turnovers. Every other game in the last 7 he was either average, below average or two brittle to either play or make an impact.

so, it’s one or the other. Either Kyler doesn’t play well in the tighest games down the stretch or he wasn’t healthy enough to even though he was taking average hits.

either way, it’s was a troubling way to end the season.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

The only thing that our opponents figured out is Kliff Kingsbury.

1) Play Hopkins tight and shade toward the sideline because Kliff only has him run routes from the left side and most of them are sideline toe taps.

2) Stuff the middle on 2nd downbecause that's the only place Drake runs

3) Play the sticks on 3rd down and jump the short routes

And there you have it - you've stifled the Cardinals offense unless Murray makes a special play.

 

[cardjunkie]

The only thing that our opponents figured out is Kliff Kingsbury.

1) Play Hopkins tight and shade toward the sideline because Kliff only has him run routes from the left side and most of them are sideline toe taps.

2) Stuff the middle because that's the only place Drake runs

3) Play the sticks on 3rd down and jump the short routes

And there you have it - you've stifled the Cardinals offense unless Murray makes a special play.

unfortunately this is sad but true

 

[FB94]

I think he had 10 TDs the entire 2nd half of the season. Not really impressive.

seemed like teams got tape on the offense around the week 9 and neither Kyler nor Kliff ever adjusted.

When the book was out on how to stop K1, there was poor adjustments by KK to combat it. Take away Murray’s run ability and this offense was bad. I had a much better feeling for this team mid season but now I have more questions by far ranging from personnel, coaching ability and overall leadership of this team. This team has regressed last 8 weeks

 

[Redsz]

When the book was out on how to stop K1, there was poor adjustments by KK to combat it. Take away Murray’s run ability and this offense was bad. I had a much better feeling for this team mid season but now I have more questions by far ranging from personnel, coaching ability and overall leadership of this team. This team has regressed last 8 weeks

Exactly!

 

[Krangodnzr]

You know what's hilarious?

The Murray derangement syndrome club coming out hardcore when Murray basically had at least the third best QB season in franchise history.

Blame lots of things on this team, but Murray is easily the main reason the Cardinals won 8 games even with losing a good chunk of the defense for the second half of the season.

Some of you are flat out silly.

 

[Buckybird]

Yessir been saying the same.

Funny today I told my wife that Kliff better not call that 10 yard out route to Dhop, then Strevler threw it & Ramsey should’ve went to the house with it. Lol

it really is such a simple offense that’s it’s almost comical. Have you ever looked at the Next gen stats of the weekly routes run? It’s sickening & not NFL worthy

The only thing that our opponents figured out is Kliff Kingsbury.

1) Play Hopkins tight and shade toward the sideline because Kliff only has him run routes from the left side and most of them are sideline toe taps.

2) Stuff the middle because that's the only place Drake runs

3) Play the sticks on 3rd down and jump the short routes

And there you have it - you've stifled the Cardinals offense unless Murray makes a special play.

 

[Buckybird]

Murray & Dhop really we’re responsible for those 8 wins. It’s a dumpster fire without the 2

You know what's hilarious?

The Murray derangement syndrome club coming out hardcore when Murray basically had at least the third best QB season in franchise history.

Blame lots of things on this team, but Murray is easily the main reason the Cardinals won 8 games even with losing a good chunk of the defense for the second half of the season.

Some of you are flat out silly.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Think about this. We had what? A three game lead (two games and the tie breaker) for the last playoff spot over the Bears past the midpoint of the season and the Bears still BACKED IN to the playoffs today over us after ending their season on a LOSS.

man, what an epic collapse.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

You know what's hilarious?

The Murray derangement syndrome club coming out hardcore when Murray basically had at least the third best QB season in franchise history.

Blame lots of things on this team, but Murray is easily the main reason the Cardinals won 8 games even with losing a good chunk of the defense for the second half of the season.

Some of you are flat out silly.

Agree.. this was a 4 win season without Kyler. Optimistically.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You know what's hilarious?

The Murray derangement syndrome club coming out hardcore when Murray basically had at least the third best QB season in franchise history.

Blame lots of things on this team, but Murray is easily the main reason the Cardinals won 8 games even with losing a good chunk of the defense for the second half of the season.

Some of you are flat out silly.

You’re right. Murray’s either inability to stay healthy enough to play well or just flat out not playing very well down stretch wasnt a factor at all in the epic collapse down the stretch.

Was Murray great in the first 9 games? Absolutely. Was he mediocre at best after. Absolutely. It’s okay to hold both of these beliefs and not be deranged.

he’s the ONLY piece of this team, including coaches, GMs etc worth building around and is a very good piece, but the cream either wasn’t healthy enough to rise to the top the last seven games or just didn’t.

 

[SoonerLou]

You know what's hilarious?

The Murray derangement syndrome club coming out hardcore when Murray basically had at least the third best QB season in franchise history.

Blame lots of things on this team, but Murray is easily the main reason the Cardinals won 8 games even with losing a good chunk of the defense for the second half of the season.

Some of you are flat out silly.

Agree.. this was a 4 win season without Kyler. Optimistically.

Kyler plays at a 48 TD pace/1st half of the season - Kyler is doing his job.

Kyler plays at 30 TD pace - Kyler just isnt effective enough.

The issue should be why do we need Kyler to put up almost 50 tds in order to be good?

 

[FB94]

You know what's hilarious?

The Murray derangement syndrome club coming out hardcore when Murray basically had at least the third best QB season in franchise history.

Blame lots of things on this team, but Murray is easily the main reason the Cardinals won 8 games even with losing a good chunk of the defense for the second half of the season.

Some of you are flat out silly.

I don’t blame Murray even though he had a fewbad plays here and there. I blame KK for not being able to get Murray into better situations after teams figured out how to slow him down. Where were the bootlegs, rollouts, moving Hop around, pre snap motion etc....

 

[kerouac9]

You know what's hilarious?

The Murray derangement syndrome club coming out hardcore when Murray basically had at least the third best QB season in franchise history.

Blame lots of things on this team, but Murray is easily the main reason the Cardinals won 8 games even with losing a good chunk of the defense for the second half of the season.

Some of you are flat out silly.

Meh. We wouldnt have been 8-8 with Streveler, obviously. But with a league-average passer we probably making some of those games so close, either.

before this week Kyler was 18th in passing DVOA. I don’t think our record is that different—and probably better—if we had Stafford, Bridgewater, Ryan, or Roethlisberger under center.

 

[DVontel]

Think about this. We had what? A three game lead (two games and the tie breaker) for the last playoff spot over the Bears past the midpoint of the season and the Bears still BACKED IN to the playoffs today over us after ending their season on a LOSS.

man, what an epic collapse.

We didn’t own the tiebreaker but yea

 

[DVontel]

Meh. We wouldnt have been 8-8 with Streveler, obviously. But with a league-average passer we probably making some of those games so close, either.

before this week Kyler was 18th in passing DVOA. I don’t think our record is that different—and probably better—if we had Stafford, Bridgewater, Ryan, or Roethlisberger under center.

I know you’re not serious including Bridgewater.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Kyler plays at a 48 TD pace/1st half of the season - Kyler is doing his job.

Kyler plays at 30 TD pace - Kyler just isnt effective enough.

The issue should be why do we need Kyler to put up almost 50 tds in order to be good?

last 7 games of the season, he had 10 TDs and according to you, couldn’t stay healthy enough to make him an impact player. If you don’t think that’s troubling, there’s really nothing to talk about.

 

[juza76]

I know you’re not serious including Bridgewater.

Even Stafford, maybe he is the most talented thrower in the NFL, but in his teen year career didn't show to be consistent when it really matters

Then what made a difference in a very bad offense, were Murray runs, not replacable by any other qb not called Lamar Jackson

The protection was weak and the time to let his WRs stretch the field often wasn't enough

I think just Mahomes, Rodgers, deshaun Watson would have played better then him

Bad line, just a solid /great receiver

Couple of average tigh ends

Putrid game management:adjustments /playcalling


A regressed running back

 

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[GoldGloveschmidt]

Meh. We wouldnt have been 8-8 with Streveler, obviously. But with a league-average passer we probably making some of those games so close, either.

before this week Kyler was 18th in passing DVOA. I don’t think our record is that different—and probably better—if we had Stafford, Bridgewater, Ryan, or Roethlisberger under center.

There's a lot more to the game than passing DVOA. Kyler has an elite running component to his game that those guys don't and is one of the hardest QBs in the NFL to sack. It would be cringe inducing to watch any of those guys play behind the Cardinals line.

 

[nashman]

You’re right. Murray’s either inability to stay healthy enough to play well or just flat out not playing very well down stretch wasnt a factor at all in the epic collapse down the stretch.

Was Murray great in the first 9 games? Absolutely. Was he mediocre at best after. Absolutely. It’s okay to hold both of these beliefs and not be deranged.

he’s the ONLY piece of this team, including coaches, GMs etc worth building around and is a very good piece, but the cream either wasn’t healthy enough to rise to the top the last seven games or just didn’t.

...or Murray needs some freaking help other than Dhop and terrible predictable playcalling...

 

[Cheesebeef]

...or Murray needs some freaking help other than Dhop and terrible predictable playcalling...

this is also true.

 

[Buckybird]

Colossal
Epic
Choke city
Enormous
Gigantic
Monumental
Massive
Ginormous
Mega

hell im out of words if you can come up with more lol

the sad thing is Kliffs Tech teams every year had fast starts & bad finishes. Hmmm coincidence?

Think about this. We had what? A three game lead (two games and the tie breaker) for the last playoff spot over the Bears past the midpoint of the season and the Bears still BACKED IN to the playoffs today over us after ending their season on a LOSS.

man, what an epic collapse.

 

[Buckybird]

With Kliff calling his vanilla plays & routes? I don’t think so

and probably better—if we had Stafford, Bridgewater, Ryan, or Roethlisberger under center.

 

[SoonerLou]

...or Murray needs some freaking help other than Dhop and terrible predictable playcalling...

Russell Wilson has 13 tds the last 8 weeks. The same as Kyler.

Again we shouldnt need a QB to play at a record pace in order to win games. And just because Russ isnt/wasnt playing at a record pace doesnt mean they figured him out on tape.

I personally think its troubling that he's been hurt in at least 3 of the last 8 games. However, he's been good enough to win games (Patriots/Seahawks imo)